From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Nov 1 08:05:04 1993 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA10597; Mon, 1 Nov 93 08:05:04 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA26794; Mon, 1 Nov 93 07:30:03 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from peacock.uwaterloo.ca by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA26785; Mon, 1 Nov 93 07:29:42 -0800 Received: by peacock.uwaterloo.ca id <53922>; Mon, 1 Nov 1993 10:29:10 -0500 Date: Mon, 1 Nov 1993 10:15:20 -0500 From: "Sunjay T. Bedi" Subject: pine 3.87 on Ultrix 3.1 To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Has anyone port/compiled this? ========================================================= Sunjay T. Bedi, (519)888-4567, ext. 5297 /\ /\ stbedi@peacock.uwaterloo.ca / \ / \ University of Waterloo /____\/____\ ========================================================= From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Nov 1 09:28:18 1993 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA13301; Mon, 1 Nov 93 09:28:18 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA22765; Mon, 1 Nov 93 09:09:29 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from uafhp.uark.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA22759; Mon, 1 Nov 93 09:09:23 -0800 Received: from comp.uark.edu by uafhp.uark.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/15.6) id AA10852; Mon, 1 Nov 93 11:07:51 -0600 Received: by (5.0/SMI-SVR4) id AA07396; Mon, 1 Nov 93 10:57:23 CST Date: Mon, 1 Nov 1993 10:56:22 -0600 (CST) From: Gene Trantham Subject: Re: Addressbook format To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Length: 0 > > Thanks Rick, we are using successfully your tools. However, we wonder > if there is also a tool for VM's "names" conversion. > > -- > \Oved I have such a tool. It is a Bourne shell script which relies heavily on awk (well, nawk actually). Anybody who wishes a copy can drop me a line in e-mail. I'd be happy to share. I am in the process of re-coding the utility in C, with a grammar constructed using lex & yacc. I'm a ways off on that, however (I'm a yacc novice). -- Gene Trantham University of Arkansas gtrantha@comp.uark.edu From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Nov 1 09:30:07 1993 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA13355; Mon, 1 Nov 93 09:30:07 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA22775; Mon, 1 Nov 93 09:10:21 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from uafhp.uark.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA22769; Mon, 1 Nov 93 09:10:19 -0800 Received: from comp.uark.edu by uafhp.uark.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/15.6) id AA10425; Mon, 1 Nov 93 10:56:48 -0600 Received: by (5.0/SMI-SVR4) id AA07396; Mon, 1 Nov 93 10:57:23 CST Date: Mon, 1 Nov 1993 10:56:22 -0600 (CST) From: Gene Trantham Subject: Re: Addressbook format To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Length: 555 > > Thanks Rick, we are using successfully your tools. However, we wonder > if there is also a tool for VM's "names" conversion. > > -- > \Oved I have such a tool. It is a Bourne shell script which relies heavily on awk (well, nawk actually). Anybody who wishes a copy can drop me a line in e-mail. I'd be happy to share. I am in the process of re-coding the utility in C, with a grammar constructed using lex & yacc. I'm a ways off on that, however (I'm a yacc novice). -- Gene Trantham University of Arkansas gtrantha@comp.uark.edu From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Nov 1 11:04:54 1993 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA16645; Mon, 1 Nov 93 11:04:54 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA00945; Mon, 1 Nov 93 10:42:25 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from shiva1.cac.washington.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA00939; Mon, 1 Nov 93 10:42:23 -0800 Received: by shiva1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA21848; Mon, 1 Nov 93 10:42:19 -0800 Date: Mon, 1 Nov 1993 10:26:14 -0800 (PST) From: David L Miller Subject: Re: .pinerc file "Updated by Pine(tm) 3.87" -- omissions To: Mike Ramey Cc: Pine-Info Email List In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Pine does not really "understand" the comments in the .pinerc. When updating an old .pinerc, the old comments are preserved as much as possible to preserve any comments the user has inserted or modified. We plan to make Pine smarter about comments at some point in the future... |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA On Fri, 29 Oct 1993, Mike Ramey wrote: > My old (3.05?) .pinerc file was "Updated by Pine(tm) 3.87" when the new > version was installed. I recently discovered that some of the > information contained in a 'brand-new' pine 3.87 .pinerc file did not > make it into my old 'updated' file. Specifically, the last 4 lines of > the introductory paragraph (beginning with "For a variable to be unset > it's value must be blank. ...") are missing from my 'updated' file. > > Also the section headers do not appear; such as: > ####...#### Essential Parameters ####...#### > This may be difficult because I had rearranged the order of entries in my > .pinerc file, so that all changed entries would be at the top of the file. > > Also the description of parameters WAS -NOT- UPDATED! My old 'updated' > file still contained: > # Sub directory in users home directory where mail folders/files are kept > # mail-directory= > mail-directory=Mail > (which I had changed so that all my directories begin with Capital > Letters -- to segregate them from ordinary files). > > In a 'brand-new' 3.87 .pinerc file, the definition of this parameter is: > # mail-directory is where postponed & interrupted msgs are held temp'y > > QUESTION: Under pine 3.87, if I want the directory 'mail' to be fully > replaced by the directory 'Mail', are these the only changes required ? > folder-collections=Mail/[] > mail-directory=Mail > Unless you have some other setting, like read-message-folder, pointing to mail. > REQUEST: Is it possible in future, to do a more thorough job of updating > the .pinerc file? It would be helpful to alert users to changes in > .pinerc which might affect them -- especially if .pinerc contains user > changes. > > Thanks, -mr > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Nov 1 11:07:28 1993 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA16718; Mon, 1 Nov 93 11:07:28 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA00842; Mon, 1 Nov 93 10:37:47 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from uwavm.u.washington.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA00830; Mon, 1 Nov 93 10:37:44 -0800 Resent-Message-Id: <9311011837.AA00830@mx1.cac.washington.edu> Message-Id: <9311011837.AA00830@mx1.cac.washington.edu> Received: from UWAVM.U.WASHINGTON.EDU by UWAVM.U.WASHINGTON.EDU (IBM VM SMTP V2R1) with BSMTP id 7043; Mon, 01 Nov 93 10:37:03 PST Received: from ETSU.EAST-TENN-ST.EDU by UWAVM.U.WASHINGTON.EDU (Mailer R2.10 ptf008) with BSMTP id 3216; Mon, 01 Nov 93 10:37:02 PST Received: from ETSU.EAST-TENN-ST.EDU (NJE origin CMS2@ETSU) by ETSU.EAST-TENN-ST.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 0615; Mon, 1 Nov 1993 13:36:19 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 01 Nov 93 13:35:32 EST Resent-From: Bill Williams Resent-Organization: East Tennessee State University Resent-To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Date: Wed, 27 Oct 93 08:14:05 EDT From: Bill Williams Organization: East Tennessee State University Subject: Binaries for AIX 3.2 To: pine-bugs@cac.washington.edu I am running AIX 3.2.3 and can build pine/pico just fine using the 'build a32'; however, when I run pine almost anything I do causes a IOTrap abend with core dump. It appears that this is a problem with the AIX 3.2.3 system which according to reports out in NetLand does not occur with AIX 3.2.4. I ftp-ed your aix32 binaries but they have the problem of not recognizing my 'vt220' terminal. There is a simple fix for this and I would like to request a re-build of the aix32 binaries (pine/pico) to solve the problem. The only change needed is to the 'makefile.a32' files and that is just an insertion of "-lcurses" into the LIBES as the first library. It should look like: LIBES = -lcurses -ltermcap -lc instead of: LIBES = -ltermcap -lc when this is done it should link without problems *and* recognize all the vtXXX's normally known to AIX. If you could rebuild those binaries with the -lcurses I would be very grateful! BTW: All my correspondence to the pine lists have been from this account which is an IBM VM/ESA System running RiceMail (MUA) and LMail (MTA) -- which does not support MIME at this time. I have no Pine/Pico available at this time on any of my machines.... and I really need it on my RS/6000 AIX 3.2.3 units. --------------------------------------- Bill Williams -- ETSU Systems Support East Tennessee (615) 929-6853 State University From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Nov 1 12:21:48 1993 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA18762; Mon, 1 Nov 93 12:21:48 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA02394; Mon, 1 Nov 93 11:58:14 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from RUTGERS.EDU by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA02387; Mon, 1 Nov 93 11:58:12 -0800 Received: from mimsy.UUCP by rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.5/3.08) with UUCP id AA26951; Mon, 1 Nov 93 14:20:48 EST Received: by mimsy.cs.UMD.EDU (5.64/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AA27482; Mon, 1 Nov 93 14:18:38 -0500 Received: from ghost.uunet.ca (via uunet.ca) by relay1.UU.NET with SMTP (5.61/UUNET-internet-primary) id AA25651; Mon, 1 Nov 93 14:11:00 -0500 Received: from moore by mail.uunet.ca with UUCP id <101640(4)>; Mon, 1 Nov 1993 14:10:42 -0500 Received: by moore.com (4.1/smail2.5/01-12-90) id AA04097; Mon, 1 Nov 93 14:09:14 EST Date: Mon, 1 Nov 1993 14:06:40 -0500 From: Paul Maclauchlan Subject: Reading news To: Pine Info mailing list Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I'd like to read news from the Pine mailreader. How can I convince Pine to look in a non-conventional place for news? Instead of /usr/spool/news, I keep my news in /usr/news/spool. This is on the local system (no NNTP or IMAP needed). Any help or hints are appreciated. -- .../Paul Maclauchlan Moore Corporation Limited, Toronto, Ontario (416) 364-2600 paul@moore.com -or- {...!uunet.ca,...!telly}!moore!paul "Living is easy with eyes closed, misunderstanding all you see"/JL'67 From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Nov 1 13:29:07 1993 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA20502; Mon, 1 Nov 93 13:29:07 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA24398; Mon, 1 Nov 93 13:13:59 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from locus.halcyon.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA24390; Mon, 1 Nov 93 13:13:54 -0800 Received: by locus.halcyon.com id AA00274 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for pine-info@cac.washington.edu); Mon, 1 Nov 1993 13:13:47 -0800 Date: Mon, 1 Nov 1993 21:08:54 +0000 From: Ralph Sims Subject: Possible bug with pine - imap allows login w/o passwd To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I have been using pine (albeit 3.85, as that's the last linux port that I have--awaiting 3.88) via imap. It appears that if I close the remote mailbox and exit the host and rather invoke the remote host again via imap, that I am not prompted for a userid or password. Is there some type of 'hidden authentication' still in effect that would not allow someone 'posing' as me to log in via imap and access my mailbox during this brief period. It seems that if I exit the host and look at [INBOX] as a new folder and then go back to the remote host, all's well. Possibly, I'm seeing that pine is still connected via imap and doesn't actually close the connection until a new folder is opened. Ideas? From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Nov 1 15:38:34 1993 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA23924; Mon, 1 Nov 93 15:38:34 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA06157; Mon, 1 Nov 93 15:25:11 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from shiva1.cac.washington.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA06151; Mon, 1 Nov 93 15:25:06 -0800 Received: by shiva1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA01539; Mon, 1 Nov 93 15:24:57 -0800 Date: Mon, 1 Nov 1993 15:19:02 -0800 (PST) From: David L Miller Subject: Re: Reading news To: Paul Maclauchlan Cc: Pine Info mailing list In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII You can edit the c-client/os_???.h file for your system and change the definition of NEWSSPOOL, then rebuild. |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA On Mon, 1 Nov 1993, Paul Maclauchlan wrote: > > I'd like to read news from the Pine mailreader. How can I convince Pine > to look in a non-conventional place for news? > > Instead of /usr/spool/news, I keep my news in /usr/news/spool. This is > on the local system (no NNTP or IMAP needed). > > Any help or hints are appreciated. > > -- > .../Paul Maclauchlan > Moore Corporation Limited, Toronto, Ontario (416) 364-2600 > paul@moore.com -or- {...!uunet.ca,...!telly}!moore!paul > "Living is easy with eyes closed, misunderstanding all you see"/JL'67 > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Nov 1 15:46:23 1993 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA24065; Mon, 1 Nov 93 15:46:23 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA25374; Mon, 1 Nov 93 15:36:55 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from coho.halcyon.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA25368; Mon, 1 Nov 93 15:36:51 -0800 Received: by halcyon.com id AA04839 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for pine-info@cac.washington.edu); Mon, 1 Nov 1993 15:36:44 -0800 From: Ralph Sims Message-Id: <199311012336.AA04839@halcyon.com> Subject: Re: Reading news To: dlm@cac.washington.edu (David L Miller) Date: Mon, 1 Nov 1993 15:36:41 -0800 (PST) Cc: paul@moore.com, pine-info@cac.washington.edu In-Reply-To: from "David L Miller" at Nov 1, 93 03:19:02 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL13] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 172 > You can edit the c-client/os_???.h file for your system and change > the definition of NEWSSPOOL, then rebuild. Or, you can provide a symbolic link to /usr/spool/news. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Nov 1 16:14:16 1993 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA24828; Mon, 1 Nov 93 16:14:16 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA06732; Mon, 1 Nov 93 15:57:32 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from shiva1.cac.washington.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA06724; Mon, 1 Nov 93 15:57:30 -0800 Received: by shiva1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA02919; Mon, 1 Nov 93 15:56:05 -0800 Date: Mon, 1 Nov 1993 15:50:13 -0800 (PST) From: David L Miller Subject: Re: Possible bug with pine - imap allows login w/o passwd To: Ralph Sims Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII A folder remains open until you exit pine or open another folder, the exception being the INBOX which remains open until you exit Pine. Is this what you are seeing? |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA On Mon, 1 Nov 1993, Ralph Sims wrote: > I have been using pine (albeit 3.85, as that's the last linux port that I > have--awaiting 3.88) via imap. It appears that if I close the remote > mailbox and exit the host and rather invoke the remote host again via > imap, that I am not prompted for a userid or password. > > Is there some type of 'hidden authentication' still in effect that would > not allow someone 'posing' as me to log in via imap and access my mailbox > during this brief period. It seems that if I exit the host and look at > [INBOX] as a new folder and then go back to the remote host, all's well. > > Possibly, I'm seeing that pine is still connected via imap and doesn't > actually close the connection until a new folder is opened. > > Ideas? > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Nov 2 05:29:03 1993 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA06229; Tue, 2 Nov 93 05:29:03 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA14244; Tue, 2 Nov 93 05:14:39 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from snow.csi.cam.ac.uk by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA14238; Tue, 2 Nov 93 05:14:37 -0800 Received: from quinag.csi.cam.ac.uk by ppsw2.cam.ac.uk with SMTP-CAM (PP-6.0) as ppsw.cam.ac.uk id <16570-0@ppsw2.cam.ac.uk>; Tue, 2 Nov 1993 13:14:32 +0000 Date: Tue, 2 Nov 1993 13:13:47 GMT From: Barry Landy Reply-To: Barry Landy Subject: Finger in PC-PINE To: Pine Info list X-Sender: bl10@cus.cam.ac.uk Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Users of our system would like to find out about other users on the system, for example when they cannot remember their e-mail ID. If they also use the underlying UNIX system, finger does it for them. If they only use PINE on a PC, they have to exit PINE, use finger, then go back in to send the mail. It would be nice to have a "finger" option available on PINE's menu. This can only be classed as an "it would be nice" item for the wishlist. Since MAISTROM does it on the MAC, I assume that all the necessary IMAP features are already present. ======================================================================= Barry Landy, Head of Systems and Development, University of Cambridge Computing Service Barry.Landy@ucs.cam.ac.uk 0223-334713 +44-223-334713 From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Nov 2 06:29:11 1993 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA06829; Tue, 2 Nov 93 06:29:11 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA29156; Tue, 2 Nov 93 06:11:09 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from mail.nada.kth.se by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA29150; Tue, 2 Nov 93 06:11:07 -0800 Received: from mumrik.nada.kth.se by mail.nada.kth.se (5.61-bind 1.4+ida/nada-mx-1.0) id AA18600; Tue, 2 Nov 93 15:11:05 +0100 Message-Id: <9311021411.AA18600@nada.kth.se> To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: INBOX again: BSD-mail-mbox model not allowed? Date: Tue, 02 Nov 1993 15:11:04 +0100 From: Peter Svanberg I've tried to read all about INBOX in the documentation and in old messages on this list. Conclusions: 1) It is impossible to get the BSD-mail behavior with BSD- format usage in PINE - i.e. that incoming, read and unread mail is handled in _one_ file, which is not in /usr/spool/mail. 2) With Tenex-format usage - on the other hand - this behavior is the default: /usr/spool/mail contents is silently moved to the mail.TxT file. Questions: 3) Is the silently-moving model considered bad for _all_ users? In what way? 4) If so, why is that model still used with Tenex? If not, why not allow it in BSD-format usage also? At least, I think, the documentation should warn, tell and explain about this big difference for users used to the BSD-mail program. I have not found anything about it. --- Peter Svanberg, NADA, KTH Email: psv@nada.kth.se Dept of Num An & CS, Royal Inst of Tech Phone: +46 8 790 71 40 S-100 44 Stockholm, SWEDEN Fax: +46 8 790 09 30 From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Nov 2 08:47:59 1993 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA09139; Tue, 2 Nov 93 08:47:59 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA15984; Tue, 2 Nov 93 08:17:12 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from shiva1.cac.washington.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA15978; Tue, 2 Nov 93 08:17:09 -0800 Received: by shiva1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA13931; Tue, 2 Nov 93 08:16:03 -0800 Date: Tue, 2 Nov 1993 08:13:07 -0800 (PST) From: David L Miller Subject: Re: Finger in PC-PINE To: Barry Landy Cc: Pine Info list In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Finger is not a function of IMAP. We are planning to add support for directory services, which might include some form of access to finger as well. |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA On Tue, 2 Nov 1993, Barry Landy wrote: > Users of our system would like to find out about other users on the > system, for example when they cannot remember their e-mail ID. If they > also use the underlying UNIX system, finger does it for them. If they > only use PINE on a PC, they have to exit PINE, use finger, then go back > in to send the mail. It would be nice to have a "finger" option available > on PINE's menu. > This can only be classed as an "it would be nice" item for the wishlist. > Since MAISTROM does it on the MAC, I assume that all the necessary IMAP > features are already present. > > ======================================================================= > Barry Landy, Head of Systems and Development, > University of Cambridge Computing Service > Barry.Landy@ucs.cam.ac.uk 0223-334713 +44-223-334713 > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Nov 2 08:55:56 1993 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA09438; Tue, 2 Nov 93 08:55:56 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA16238; Tue, 2 Nov 93 08:31:16 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from shiva1.cac.washington.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA16232; Tue, 2 Nov 93 08:31:14 -0800 Received: by shiva1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA14635; Tue, 2 Nov 93 08:30:59 -0800 Date: Tue, 2 Nov 1993 08:22:44 -0800 (PST) From: David L Miller Subject: Re: INBOX again: BSD-mail-mbox model not allowed? To: Peter Svanberg Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu In-Reply-To: <9311021411.AA18600@nada.kth.se> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII You can get this behavior by linking the mbox driver into Pine. This is the Berkeley format (bezerk) driver with silent moving added. |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA On Tue, 2 Nov 1993, Peter Svanberg wrote: > I've tried to read all about INBOX in the documentation and in > old messages on this list. Conclusions: > > 1) It is impossible to get the BSD-mail behavior with BSD- > format usage in PINE - i.e. that incoming, read and unread > mail is handled in _one_ file, which is not in > /usr/spool/mail. > > 2) With Tenex-format usage - on the other hand - this behavior > is the default: /usr/spool/mail contents is silently moved to > the mail.TxT file. > > Questions: > > 3) Is the silently-moving model considered bad for _all_ users? > In what way? > > 4) If so, why is that model still used with Tenex? If not, why > not allow it in BSD-format usage also? > > At least, I think, the documentation should warn, tell and > explain about this big difference for users used to the > BSD-mail program. I have not found anything about it. > --- > Peter Svanberg, NADA, KTH Email: psv@nada.kth.se > Dept of Num An & CS, > Royal Inst of Tech Phone: +46 8 790 71 40 > S-100 44 Stockholm, SWEDEN Fax: +46 8 790 09 30 From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Nov 2 11:22:03 1993 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA14673; Tue, 2 Nov 93 11:22:03 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA00922; Tue, 2 Nov 93 11:00:43 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from mail.nada.kth.se by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA00916; Tue, 2 Nov 93 11:00:34 -0800 Received: from mumrik.nada.kth.se by mail.nada.kth.se (5.61-bind 1.4+ida/nada-mx-1.0) id AA23801; Tue, 2 Nov 93 20:00:21 +0100 Message-Id: <9311021900.AA23801@nada.kth.se> To: David L Miller Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: INBOX again: BSD-mail-mbox model not allowed? In-Reply-To: Your message of "Tue, 02 Nov 1993 08:22:44 PST." Date: Tue, 02 Nov 1993 20:00:20 +0100 From: Peter Svanberg Quoting: David L Miller > > You can get this behavior by linking the mbox driver into Pine. This > is the Berkeley format (bezerk) driver with silent moving added. Thanks - works fine! BTW, I saw there has been some progress to the MH driver - any change in the will-maybe-work-some-day plans I was told before? --- Peter Svanberg, Nada, KTH From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Nov 2 11:45:50 1993 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA15672; Tue, 2 Nov 93 11:45:50 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA01183; Tue, 2 Nov 93 11:23:13 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from tomobiki-cho.cac.washington.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA01177; Tue, 2 Nov 93 11:23:10 -0800 Received: by Tomobiki-Cho.CAC.Washington.EDU (NX5.67d/UW-NDC Revision: 2.27.MRC ) id AA11347; Tue, 2 Nov 93 11:21:38 -0800 Date: Tue, 2 Nov 1993 11:09:20 -0800 (PST) From: Mark Crispin Subject: Re: Possible bug with pine - imap allows login w/o passwd To: Ralph Sims Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Mon, 1 Nov 1993, Ralph Sims wrote: > I have been using pine (albeit 3.85, as that's the last linux port that I > have--awaiting 3.88) via imap. It appears that if I close the remote > mailbox and exit the host and rather invoke the remote host again via > imap, that I am not prompted for a userid or password. > > Is there some type of 'hidden authentication' still in effect that would > not allow someone 'posing' as me to log in via imap and access my mailbox > during this brief period. The only ``hidden authentication'' in Pine/imapd is that if you can rsh to the remote host for free, you can imap to it for free. In other words, the answer is NO. > Possibly, I'm seeing that pine is still connected via imap and doesn't > actually close the connection until a new folder is opened. This can happen. The primary INBOX is always kept open, and secondary streams can be recycled to open new folders. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Nov 2 11:59:33 1993 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA16048; Tue, 2 Nov 93 11:59:33 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA01246; Tue, 2 Nov 93 11:31:34 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from tomobiki-cho.cac.washington.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA01237; Tue, 2 Nov 93 11:31:25 -0800 Received: by Tomobiki-Cho.CAC.Washington.EDU (NX5.67d/UW-NDC Revision: 2.27.MRC ) id AA11355; Tue, 2 Nov 93 11:31:06 -0800 Date: Tue, 2 Nov 1993 11:27:46 -0800 (PST) From: Mark Crispin Subject: Re: INBOX again: BSD-mail-mbox model not allowed? To: Peter Svanberg Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu In-Reply-To: <9311021411.AA18600@nada.kth.se> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Tue, 2 Nov 1993, Peter Svanberg wrote: > I've tried to read all about INBOX in the documentation and in > old messages on this list. Conclusions: > > 1) It is impossible to get the BSD-mail behavior with BSD- > format usage in PINE - i.e. that incoming, read and unread > mail is handled in _one_ file, which is not in > /usr/spool/mail. This is correct with unmodified Pine. If you modify the .../pine/pine.c file to have a line of mail_link (&mboxdriver); before the mail_link() call for bezerkdriver (you may also have to add mboxdriver in the list of driver externals elsewhere), then you will get that behavior. mbox is like tenex, but it uses the /usr/spool/mail format. > 2) With Tenex-format usage - on the other hand - this behavior > is the default: /usr/spool/mail contents is silently moved to > the mail.TxT file. This is correct. > 3) Is the silently-moving model considered bad for _all_ users? > In what way? Some people find it objectionable, which is why mboxdriver is normally turned off. > 4) If so, why is that model still used with Tenex? If not, why > not allow it in BSD-format usage also? This model is the only model meaningful for Tenex. But, because some people find mail.txt to be a dangerous name, it was changed to mail.TxT. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Nov 2 12:20:25 1993 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA16598; Tue, 2 Nov 93 12:20:25 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA01435; Tue, 2 Nov 93 12:02:41 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from locus.halcyon.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA01425; Tue, 2 Nov 93 12:02:28 -0800 Received: by locus.halcyon.com id AA01727 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for pine-info@cac.washington.edu); Tue, 2 Nov 1993 12:02:23 -0800 Date: Tue, 2 Nov 1993 19:58:12 +0000 From: Ralph Sims Subject: Re: Possible bug with pine - imap allows login w/o passwd To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I've just compiled 3.87 for linux. We're up to speed now. All that remains is to work on the the .pinerc file (beginning to resemble a sendmail.cf file to some degree with all the options available). Thanks to you and David Miller. The pieces to the puzzle are now easier to put together. On Tue, 2 Nov 1993, Mark Crispin wrote: > > Possibly, I'm seeing that pine is still connected via imap and doesn't > > actually close the connection until a new folder is opened. > This can happen. The primary INBOX is always kept open, and secondary > streams can be recycled to open new folders. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Nov 2 15:30:52 1993 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA22557; Tue, 2 Nov 93 15:30:52 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA25630; Tue, 2 Nov 93 15:08:28 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from tiberius.safb.af.mil by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA25620; Tue, 2 Nov 93 15:08:23 -0800 Received: by tiberius.safb.af.mil (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA05918; Tue, 2 Nov 93 17:09:14 CST Date: Tue, 2 Nov 1993 15:56:29 -0600 (CST) From: "John Daum... 618-256-6835" Subject: Email Selection, by the numbers To: Pine Help List Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On behalf of new users yet to behold pine, and those of us who believe in making applications as intuitive as possible, the request below is for a new "feature" we are hoping you can fit in an upcoming release. It is natural for users to attempt to select messages by entering the number. The lack of such support is the most common complaint (amidst tons of praise) we hear from users. Please allow a user to enter the message number followed by the "Enter" as a method to select and display a message, e.g., 38 . Thanks, John E. Daum daumj@tiberius.safb.af.mil via the Internet From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Nov 2 15:51:20 1993 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA23282; Tue, 2 Nov 93 15:51:20 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA26253; Tue, 2 Nov 93 15:35:02 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from carson.u.washington.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA26229; Tue, 2 Nov 93 15:34:59 -0800 Received: by carson.u.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA00054; Tue, 2 Nov 93 15:34:46 -0800 X-Sender: dlm@carson.u.washington.edu Date: Tue, 2 Nov 1993 15:33:38 -0800 (PST) From: David Miller Subject: Re: Email Selection, by the numbers To: "John Daum... 618-256-6835" Cc: Pine Help List In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII This is already available if you set enable-jump-shortcut in your .pinerc. |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA On Tue, 2 Nov 1993, John Daum... 618-256-6835 wrote: > > On behalf of new users yet to behold pine, and those of us who believe > in making applications as intuitive as possible, the request below is > for a new "feature" we are hoping you can fit in an upcoming release. > > It is natural for users to attempt to select messages by entering the number. > The lack of such support is the most common complaint (amidst tons of > praise) we hear from users. > > Please allow a user to enter the message number followed by the "Enter" as > a method to select and display a message, e.g., 38 . > > Thanks, > > John E. Daum > daumj@tiberius.safb.af.mil via the Internet > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Nov 2 17:57:58 1993 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA26159; Tue, 2 Nov 93 17:57:58 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA28655; Tue, 2 Nov 93 17:43:24 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from nic.cic.net by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA28649; Tue, 2 Nov 93 17:43:22 -0800 Received: by nic.cic.net (4.1/2.25) id AA06006; Tue, 2 Nov 93 20:42:15 EST Date: Tue, 2 Nov 1993 20:40:58 -0500 (EST) From: Paul Holbrook Subject: Re: INBOX again: BSD-mail-mbox model not allowed? To: Mark Crispin Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Mark -- We've used the mbox driver in Pine here at CICNet for more than a year. Any chance that we can put it under a Makefile switch so we don't have to modify the code for every release we get? J. Paul Holbrook CICNet Technical Services Manager holbrook@cic.net (313) 998-7680 From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Nov 2 21:16:07 1993 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA27924; Tue, 2 Nov 93 21:16:07 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA04457; Tue, 2 Nov 93 21:00:04 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from tomobiki-cho.cac.washington.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA04451; Tue, 2 Nov 93 21:00:01 -0800 Received: by Tomobiki-Cho.CAC.Washington.EDU (NX5.67d/UW-NDC Revision: 2.27.MRC ) id AA12407; Tue, 2 Nov 93 20:59:58 -0800 Date: Tue, 2 Nov 1993 20:56:37 -0800 (PST) From: Mark Crispin Subject: Re: INBOX again: BSD-mail-mbox model not allowed? To: Paul Holbrook Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Tue, 2 Nov 1993, Paul Holbrook wrote: > We've used the mbox driver in Pine here at CICNet for more than a year. > Any chance that we can put it under a Makefile switch so we don't have to > modify the code for every release we get? Basically, some help is on the way. c-client is now configurable at the makefile level for additional drivers. I don't think that Pine 3.88 will use this new capability, but a future version of Pine will have it available. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Nov 3 01:27:19 1993 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA00556; Wed, 3 Nov 93 01:27:19 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA02009; Wed, 3 Nov 93 01:15:35 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from bradley.bradley.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA02001; Wed, 3 Nov 93 01:15:33 -0800 Received: from cs1.bradley.edu by bradley.bradley.edu with SMTP id AA17717 (5.65b/IDA-1.4.3 for pine-info@cac.washington.edu); Wed, 3 Nov 93 03:15:31 -0600 Received: by cs1.bradley.edu (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA24649; Wed, 3 Nov 93 03:15:30 CST Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1993 03:14:00 -0600 (CST) From: Matt Simmons Subject: Error compiling with sv4... To: Pine Mailing List Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I tried compiling pine under sv4, and all was well, until it tried to compile pine itself... I got the following error: cc -O pine.c -o pine "/usr/include/stdlib.h", line 66: identifier redeclared: system "/usr/include/unistd.h", line 154: identifier redeclared: rename "./../c-client/osdep.h", line 108: warning: identifier redeclared: gethostid "pine.c", line 1915: warning: semantics of ">" change in ANSI C; use explicit cast *** Error code 1 (bu21) make: fatal error. The only changes made to makefile.sv4 were to comment out the entire DEBUG line and to uncomment the optimize line... These changes worked for the sunos version of pine, so I didn't think there'd be a problem with sv4 pine... From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Nov 3 11:48:12 1993 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA13357; Wed, 3 Nov 93 11:48:12 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA08615; Wed, 3 Nov 93 11:27:43 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from opus.csd.uwm.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA08609; Wed, 3 Nov 93 11:27:41 -0800 Received: by opus.csd.uwm.edu (5.65/DEC-Ultrix/4.3) id AA07785; Wed, 3 Nov 1993 13:27:40 -0600 Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1993 13:23:25 -0600 (CST) From: Dave Rasmussen Subject: 3.87 to convex platform? To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Seems the last time I installed pine on our convex I got the source distribution from someone else. Wondered if anyone else has configured pine 3.87 to build on a convex beast and if I could get it or the diffs? We have a 220 with version 10.0.3 of convexos (closer to bsd than it really sounds :-) ---- Dave Rasmussen - SysAdm/Hacker/Consulting Manager, UWM Computing Svcs Div. Internet:dave@uwm.edu, Uucp:uwm!dave, Bitnet:dave%uwm.edu@INTERBIT AT&T:414-229-5133 USmail:Box 413 EMS380,Milwaukee,WI 53201 HAM: N9REJ From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Nov 3 12:23:08 1993 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA14477; Wed, 3 Nov 93 12:23:08 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA10528; Wed, 3 Nov 93 12:02:18 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from hanna.cac.washington.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA10518; Wed, 3 Nov 93 12:02:15 -0800 Received: from family.fammed.washington.edu by hanna.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA18009; Wed, 3 Nov 93 12:02:14 -0800 Message-Id: <9311032002.AA18009@hanna.cac.washington.edu> Date: 3 Nov 1993 12:00:57 -0800 From: "Andrew Sweger" Subject: FW: Ascii printing in Pine To: "pine-info" Cc: "Joel Ness" , "Mark McNair" Opps. The ASCII printing feature from NCSA Telnet v2.5x is particular to a version modified by the University of Washington. According to a conversation with Mark McNair at UW's Computing & Communications, this feature may possibly appear in version 2.6 from NCSA. The UW version is available from anonymous ftp at ftp.cac.washington.edu, /ncsa/mac. Presently I'm using the 2.5W-B3 beta version without complications. My apologies. / Andrew B. Sweger absweger@u.washington.edu // Manager, Computer Support Group \\ Department of Family Medicine, HQ-30 (206) 543-2461 // UNIVERSITY OF WASHINGTON / Seattle, WA 98195 (206) 685-0610 (FAX) _______________________________________________________________________________ To: Joel Ness Cc: pine-info From: Andrew Sweger on Wed, Oct 27, 1993 4:17 PM Subject: RE: Ascii printing in Pine NCSA Telnet v2.5x for the Macintosh DOES understand the ASCII printing escape sequences. When you select Print ('Y') from pine, you should get the normal print dialog box. If you Cancel the print dialog, you should get the option to spool the job for later printing. / Andrew B. Sweger absweger@u.washington.edu // Manager, Computer Support Group \\ Department of Family Medicine, HQ-30 (206) 543-2461 // UNIVERSITY OF WASHINGTON / Seattle, WA 98195 (206) 685-0610 (FAX) _______________________________________________________________________________ To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Joel Ness on Wed, Oct 27, 1993 12:20 PM Subject: Re: Ascii printing in Pine Local printing... [items deleted] Joel Ness UMD Information Services jness@ua.d.umn.edu (218) 726-8841 From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Nov 3 12:43:25 1993 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA15070; Wed, 3 Nov 93 12:43:25 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA11082; Wed, 3 Nov 93 12:27:31 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from helix.nih.gov by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA11076; Wed, 3 Nov 93 12:27:28 -0800 Received: by helix.nih.gov (5.64/1.35(helix-1.0)) id AA16652; Wed, 3 Nov 93 15:27:25 -0500 Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1993 15:17:36 -0500 (EST) From: Rick Troxel Subject: Re: 3.87 to convex platform? To: Dave Rasmussen Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hi, Dave. I just built 3.87 on our Convex yesterday. :^) Imapd does not build, due to a symbol, _philedriver, that neither the loader nor I have been able to resolve. I've reported this to pine-bugs, BTW. I setenv CCOPTIONS -ext and made a few small makefile mods to turn debugger hooks off (but leaving -DDEBUG) and optimization on, but otherwise "build cvx" works fine for me. Hope this helps, Rick Troxel rick@helix.nih.gov 301/496-4823 /////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// All effort and exertion put forth by man from the fullness of his heart is worship, if it is prompted by the highest motives and the will to do service to humanity. --Abdu'l-Baha From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Nov 3 13:07:15 1993 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA15933; Wed, 3 Nov 93 13:07:15 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA09132; Wed, 3 Nov 93 12:50:51 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from opus.csd.uwm.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA09126; Wed, 3 Nov 93 12:50:49 -0800 Received: by opus.csd.uwm.edu (5.65/DEC-Ultrix/4.3) id AA08113; Wed, 3 Nov 1993 14:50:46 -0600 Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1993 14:49:34 -0600 (CST) From: Dave Rasmussen Subject: Re: 3.87 to convex platform? To: Rick Troxel Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 3 Nov 1993, Rick Troxel wrote: > on, but otherwise "build cvx" works fine for me. > Some day I'll remember to use the -i option on grep :-) when looking for proper names like convex in makefiles where they appear as Convex. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Nov 4 00:01:20 1993 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA26728; Thu, 4 Nov 93 00:01:20 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA20363; Wed, 3 Nov 93 23:47:44 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from convex.csc.fi by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA20357; Wed, 3 Nov 93 23:47:42 -0800 Received: from tellus.csc.fi by csc.fi with SMTP id AA18927 (5.65c8+/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Thu, 4 Nov 1993 09:47:39 +0200 Received: from localhost.csc.fi by tellus.csc.fi (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA15612; Thu, 4 Nov 93 09:47:38 +0200 Message-Id: <9311040747.AA15612@tellus.csc.fi> To: Dave Rasmussen Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: 3.87 to convex platform? In-Reply-To: Your message of "Wed, 03 Nov 1993 13:23:25 CST." Date: Thu, 04 Nov 1993 09:47:37 +0200 From: Pekka Kytolaakso Your message dated: Wed, 03 Nov 1993 13:23:25 CST > > Seems the last time I installed pine on our convex I got the source > distribution from someone else. Wondered if anyone else has configured > pine 3.87 to build on a convex beast and if I could get it or the diffs? We > have a 220 with version 10.0.3 of convexos (closer to bsd than it really > sounds :-) > > ---- > Dave Rasmussen - SysAdm/Hacker/Consulting Manager, UWM Computing Svcs Div. You don't need any diff's. Just say > ./build cvx and it should work OK. The par has been made on a C3840 convexos 10. Pekka Kyt|laakso --------------------------------------------------------------- netmgr@tellus.csc.fi Centre for Scientific Computing Pekka.Kytolaakso@csc.fi PL 40 SF-02101 Espoo FINLAND Phone: +358 0 4571 Telefax: + 358 0 4572302 From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Nov 4 00:32:11 1993 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA26922; Thu, 4 Nov 93 00:32:11 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA13375; Wed, 3 Nov 93 23:27:15 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from cc.lut.fi by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA13369; Wed, 3 Nov 93 23:27:12 -0800 Received: by cc.lut.fi (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4/Kim-2.2) id AA18944; Thu, 4 Nov 1993 09:27:00 +0200 Date: Thu, 4 Nov 1993 09:27:00 +0200 From: Hannu Martikka Message-Id: <199311040727.AA18944@cc.lut.fi> To: Rick Troxel Cc: Dave Rasmussen , pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: 3.87 to convex platform? In-Reply-To: ; from Rick Troxel on 3 November 1993 15:17:36 -0500 References: Mailer: VM 5.35 (beta) / GNU Emacs 19.19.2 Reply-To: Hannu Martikka Organization: Lappeenranta University of Technology, Finland >>>>> "Rick" == Rick Troxel writes: Rick> Hi, Dave. I just built 3.87 on our Convex yesterday. :^) Imapd Rick> does not build, due to a symbol, _philedriver, that neither the Rick> loader nor I have been able to resolve. I've reported this to There is bug in makefile.cvx. You must add phile.o to c-client.a: c-client.a: mail.o bezerk.o tenex2.o mbox.o mh.o imap2.o news.o nntpclient.o\ phile.o dummy.o smtp.o nntp.o rfc822.o misc.o osdep.o sm_unix.o rm -f c-client.a ar rc c-client.a mail.o bezerk.o tenex2.o mbox.o mh.o imap2.o news.o \ nntpclient.o phile.o dummy.o smtp.o nntp.o rfc822.o misc.o osdep.o \ sm_unix.o and also add following rule to makefile: phile.o: mail.h phile.h misc.h osdep.h -- Regards from Goodi ______________________________________________________________________________ Internet: Hannu.Martikka@lut.fi / \ Bitnet : GOODGULF@FINFILES // \\ \-\-\-\-\-\-\ oh5lhh Hannu Martikka,Skinnarilankatu /// \\\ | on 70cm 28 F17, 53850 Lappeenranta,SF /// | \\\_____________|________________________ Home Tel. +358-(9)53-251446 | :) Lappeenranta University Of Technology | ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Nov 4 02:46:58 1993 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA28506; Thu, 4 Nov 93 02:46:58 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA14324; Thu, 4 Nov 93 02:35:33 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from Krypton.Mankato.MSUS.EDU by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA14318; Thu, 4 Nov 93 02:35:31 -0800 Received: by krypton.mankato.msus.edu (5.65/DEC-Ultrix/4.3) id AA02959; Thu, 4 Nov 1993 04:39:32 -0600 Date: Thu, 4 Nov 1993 04:23:26 -0600 (CST) From: "Robert A. Hayden" Subject: .addressbook to .mailrc To: Pine Info Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I'm curious to know if there is way to convert .addressbook format into .mailrc format so that I can use command-line mailing to my pine aliases. I know there is the brk2pine.sh program that comes with the source that will apparently work it the other way. As I said, my goal is to set up a .mailrc alias file that I can use to do command line mailing. I'd probably run the program to do the conversions at login or something jsut to keep up to date :-) Thanks, y'all ____ Robert A. Hayden <=> hayden@krypton.mankato.msus.edu \ /__ -=-=-=-=- <=> -=-=-=-=- \/ / Finger for Geek Code Info <=> Veteran of the Bermuda Triangle \/ Finger for PGP 2.3a Public Key <=> Expeditionary Force -- 1993-1951 -=-=-=-=-=-=-=- (GEEK CODE 1.0.1) GAT d- -p+(---) c++(++++) l++ u++ e+/* m++(*)@ s-/++ n-(---) h+(*) f+ g+ w++ t++ r++ y+(*) From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Nov 4 03:19:26 1993 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA28894; Thu, 4 Nov 93 03:19:26 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA21538; Thu, 4 Nov 93 03:08:32 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from snow.csi.cam.ac.uk by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA21532; Thu, 4 Nov 93 03:08:19 -0800 Received: from quinag.csi.cam.ac.uk by ppsw2.cam.ac.uk with SMTP-CAM (PP-6.0) as ppsw.cam.ac.uk id <11946-0@ppsw2.cam.ac.uk>; Thu, 4 Nov 1993 11:07:52 +0000 Date: Thu, 4 Nov 1993 11:07:43 GMT From: Barry Landy Reply-To: Barry Landy Subject: Message-of-the-Day To: Pine Info List X-Sender: bl10@cus.cam.ac.uk Message-Id: -0100000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII A feature that we are missing for our PC-PINE users is the ability to tell them things about the current service. Examples might be: Mail server crash - messages sent between a/b/c and d/e/f might be lost Relay broken: messages to EARN are currently being rejected Users who logon to a system will get such things. Can this be put onto a wishlist, please? Obviously the text itself must be on the system which has the imap daemon, so it is not totally trivial to implement! ======================================================================= Barry Landy, Head of Systems and Development, University of Cambridge Computing Service Barry.Landy@ucs.cam.ac.uk 0223-334713 +44-223-334713 From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Nov 4 07:15:27 1993 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA01897; Thu, 4 Nov 93 07:15:27 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA23439; Thu, 4 Nov 93 07:01:25 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from shiva1.cac.washington.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA23433; Thu, 4 Nov 93 07:01:23 -0800 Received: by shiva1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA29363; Thu, 4 Nov 93 07:01:13 -0800 Date: Thu, 4 Nov 1993 07:00:37 -0800 (PST) From: Terry Gray Subject: Re: Message-of-the-Day To: Barry Landy Cc: Pine Info List In-Reply-To: -0100000 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII This is definitely on the list... we need it too! -teg On Thu, 4 Nov 1993, Barry Landy wrote: > A feature that we are missing for our PC-PINE users is the ability to > tell them things about the current service. Examples might be: > > Mail server crash - messages sent between a/b/c and d/e/f might be lost > Relay broken: messages to EARN are currently being rejected > > Users who logon to a system will get such things. > > Can this be put onto a wishlist, please? > Obviously the text itself must be on the system which has the imap > daemon, so it is not totally trivial to implement! > > ======================================================================= > Barry Landy, Head of Systems and Development, > University of Cambridge Computing Service > Barry.Landy@ucs.cam.ac.uk 0223-334713 +44-223-334713 > > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Nov 4 08:13:47 1993 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA02809; Thu, 4 Nov 93 08:13:47 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA24126; Thu, 4 Nov 93 08:01:26 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from danpost4.uni-c.dk by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA24120; Thu, 4 Nov 93 08:01:23 -0800 Received: from danpost4.uni-c.dk by danpost4.uni-c.dk with SMTP (PP) id <27788-0@danpost4.uni-c.dk>; Thu, 4 Nov 1993 16:59:35 +0100 Date: Thu, 4 Nov 1993 16:57:00 +0100 (MET) From: Erik Lawaetz Subject: entering characters such as ^L in pico? To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Any way, perhaps in future versions, to enter control characters like ^L and other key combinations used by pico in the text being edited, like emacs' ^Q escape? Had a user recently who wanted to add some ^Ls for form feed in a text. --Erik #include Q: How many Microsoft engineers does it take to change a lightbulb? A: None; they just declare darkness to be the standard. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Nov 4 08:51:22 1993 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA03714; Thu, 4 Nov 93 08:51:22 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA24826; Thu, 4 Nov 93 08:33:17 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from shiva1.cac.washington.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA24820; Thu, 4 Nov 93 08:33:15 -0800 Received: by shiva1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA00734; Thu, 4 Nov 93 08:33:07 -0800 Date: Thu, 4 Nov 1993 08:29:30 -0800 (PST) From: David L Miller Subject: Re: 3.87 to convex platform? To: Hannu Martikka Cc: Rick Troxel , Dave Rasmussen , pine-info@cac.washington.edu In-Reply-To: <199311040727.AA18944@cc.lut.fi> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Correct, makefile.cvx got missed when we added the philedriver to c-client. Apologies for the omission. This will be corrected in Pine 3.88. |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA On Thu, 4 Nov 1993, Hannu Martikka wrote: > >>>>> "Rick" == Rick Troxel writes: > > Rick> Hi, Dave. I just built 3.87 on our Convex yesterday. :^) Imapd > Rick> does not build, due to a symbol, _philedriver, that neither the > Rick> loader nor I have been able to resolve. I've reported this to > There is bug in makefile.cvx. > You must add phile.o to c-client.a: > > c-client.a: mail.o bezerk.o tenex2.o mbox.o mh.o imap2.o news.o nntpclient.o\ > phile.o dummy.o smtp.o nntp.o rfc822.o misc.o osdep.o sm_unix.o > rm -f c-client.a > ar rc c-client.a mail.o bezerk.o tenex2.o mbox.o mh.o imap2.o news.o \ > nntpclient.o phile.o dummy.o smtp.o nntp.o rfc822.o misc.o osdep.o \ > sm_unix.o > > and also add following rule to makefile: > > phile.o: mail.h phile.h misc.h osdep.h > > -- > Regards from Goodi > ______________________________________________________________________________ > Internet: Hannu.Martikka@lut.fi / \ > Bitnet : GOODGULF@FINFILES // \\ \-\-\-\-\-\-\ oh5lhh > Hannu Martikka,Skinnarilankatu /// \\\ | on 70cm > 28 F17, 53850 Lappeenranta,SF /// | \\\_____________|________________________ > Home Tel. +358-(9)53-251446 | :) Lappeenranta University Of Technology | > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Nov 4 09:02:32 1993 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA03985; Thu, 4 Nov 93 09:02:32 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA24928; Thu, 4 Nov 93 08:37:04 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from shiva1.cac.washington.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA24922; Thu, 4 Nov 93 08:37:03 -0800 Received: by shiva1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA00764; Thu, 4 Nov 93 08:36:52 -0800 Date: Thu, 4 Nov 1993 08:34:45 -0800 (PST) From: David L Miller Subject: Re: .addressbook to .mailrc To: "Robert A. Hayden" Cc: Pine Info In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Writing a pine2brk.sh should be quite possible, but we do not have one currently. If you would like to write/contribute one, we would be happy to distribute it though... |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA On Thu, 4 Nov 1993, Robert A. Hayden wrote: > I'm curious to know if there is way to convert .addressbook format into > .mailrc format so that I can use command-line mailing to my pine > aliases. I know there is the brk2pine.sh program that comes with the > source that will apparently work it the other way. > > As I said, my goal is to set up a .mailrc alias file that I can use to do > command line mailing. I'd probably run the program to do the conversions > at login or something jsut to keep up to date :-) > > Thanks, y'all > > ____ Robert A. Hayden <=> hayden@krypton.mankato.msus.edu > \ /__ -=-=-=-=- <=> -=-=-=-=- > \/ / Finger for Geek Code Info <=> Veteran of the Bermuda Triangle > \/ Finger for PGP 2.3a Public Key <=> Expeditionary Force -- 1993-1951 > -=-=-=-=-=-=-=- > (GEEK CODE 1.0.1) GAT d- -p+(---) c++(++++) l++ u++ e+/* m++(*)@ s-/++ > n-(---) h+(*) f+ g+ w++ t++ r++ y+(*) > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Nov 4 09:09:33 1993 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA04369; Thu, 4 Nov 93 09:09:33 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA25271; Thu, 4 Nov 93 08:54:22 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from Krypton.Mankato.MSUS.EDU by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA25263; Thu, 4 Nov 93 08:54:18 -0800 Received: by krypton.mankato.msus.edu (5.65/DEC-Ultrix/4.3) id AA05543; Thu, 4 Nov 1993 10:58:19 -0600 Date: Thu, 4 Nov 1993 10:57:27 -0600 (CST) From: "Robert A. Hayden" Subject: Re: .addressbook to .mailrc To: David L Miller Cc: Pine Info In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 4 Nov 1993, David L Miller wrote: > Writing a pine2brk.sh should be quite possible, but we do not have > one currently. If you would like to write/contribute one, we would > be happy to distribute it though... *sigh* If only I had the basic skill to do one... ____ Robert A. Hayden <=> hayden@krypton.mankato.msus.edu \ /__ -=-=-=-=- <=> -=-=-=-=- \/ / Finger for Geek Code Info <=> Veteran of the Bermuda Triangle \/ Finger for PGP 2.3a Public Key <=> Expeditionary Force -- 1993-1951 -=-=-=-=-=-=-=- (GEEK CODE 1.0.1) GAT d- -p+(---) c++(++++) l++ u++ e+/* m++(*)@ s-/++ n-(---) h+(*) f+ g+ w++ t++ r++ y+(*) From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Nov 4 09:38:12 1993 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA05062; Thu, 4 Nov 93 09:38:12 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA25777; Thu, 4 Nov 93 09:18:14 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from shiva1.cac.washington.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA25771; Thu, 4 Nov 93 09:18:12 -0800 Received: by shiva1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA01904; Thu, 4 Nov 93 09:18:11 -0800 Date: Thu, 4 Nov 1993 09:08:10 -0800 (PST) From: David L Miller Subject: Re: Message-of-the-Day To: Terry Gray Cc: Barry Landy , Pine Info List In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII As an interesting kludge, you might try setting incoming-folders=Message-Of-The-Day {imapserver}/etc/motd This will give you an incoming folder, called Message-Of-The-Day and containing a single "message" which has /etc/motd as the body. This does require an imapd with the phile driver installed. Note that we do not have alot of practical experience with the phile driver yet... |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA On Thu, 4 Nov 1993, Terry Gray wrote: > This is definitely on the list... we need it too! > > -teg > > On Thu, 4 Nov 1993, Barry Landy wrote: > > > A feature that we are missing for our PC-PINE users is the ability to > > tell them things about the current service. Examples might be: > > > > Mail server crash - messages sent between a/b/c and d/e/f might be lost > > Relay broken: messages to EARN are currently being rejected > > > > Users who logon to a system will get such things. > > > > Can this be put onto a wishlist, please? > > Obviously the text itself must be on the system which has the imap > > daemon, so it is not totally trivial to implement! > > > > ======================================================================= > > Barry Landy, Head of Systems and Development, > > University of Cambridge Computing Service > > Barry.Landy@ucs.cam.ac.uk 0223-334713 +44-223-334713 > > > > > > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Nov 4 10:01:24 1993 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA05529; Thu, 4 Nov 93 10:01:24 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA16858; Thu, 4 Nov 93 09:43:56 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from bootes.cus.cam.ac.uk by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA16852; Thu, 4 Nov 93 09:43:52 -0800 Received: from grus.cus.cam.ac.uk [131.111.8.3] (TAP id = bl10) by bootes.cus.cam.ac.uk with smtp (Smail-3.1.28.1 #106) id m0ov8ip-00003OC; Thu, 4 Nov 93 17:43 GMT Date: Thu, 4 Nov 1993 17:41:13 +0000 (GMT) From: Barry Landy Subject: Re: Message-of-the-Day To: David L Miller Cc: Terry Gray , Pine Info List In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 4 Nov 1993, David L Miller wrote: > > As an interesting kludge, you might try setting > > incoming-folders=Message-Of-The-Day {imapserver}/etc/motd > Interesting thought, but not really a practical possibility. We are in **production** which means that there are a large number of PINERC files out there on PCs, and we cannot go around changing them all, even in the cases where we can find them (such as those on our Novell net). Of course, if we had a MotD, then we could put such a message on it :-) Still, we might experiment with that idea. ======================================================================= Barry Landy, Head of Systems and Development, University of Cambridge Computing Service Barry.Landy@ucs.cam.ac.uk 0223-334713 +44-223-334713 From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Nov 4 10:21:46 1993 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA06023; Thu, 4 Nov 93 10:21:46 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA26408; Thu, 4 Nov 93 09:54:45 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from shiva1.cac.washington.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA26402; Thu, 4 Nov 93 09:54:41 -0800 Received: by shiva1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA02496; Thu, 4 Nov 93 09:54:32 -0800 Date: Thu, 4 Nov 1993 09:45:44 -0800 (PST) From: Terry Gray Subject: Re: Message-of-the-Day To: Barry Landy Cc: David L Miller , Pine Info List In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII The real plan is for IMAPd to notice the existence of some file (not necessarily /etc/motd, but maybe) and then send an unsolicited reply to the client which would show up on Pine's message line. This has the advantage that it does not require client configuration; it has the disadvantage that the message must be small and may be fleeting... Ultimately we may want to have a combination of both strategies, where there might even be a future version of Pine that adds something to existing pinerc files to allow easy access to a "system" folder... These are just random thoughts while I'm between sessions at IETF; we have not yet experimented with any of these mechanisms in real life. -teg On Thu, 4 Nov 1993, Barry Landy wrote: > On Thu, 4 Nov 1993, David L Miller wrote: > > > > > As an interesting kludge, you might try setting > > > > incoming-folders=Message-Of-The-Day {imapserver}/etc/motd > > > > Interesting thought, but not really a practical possibility. > > We are in **production** which means that there are a large number of > PINERC files out there on PCs, and we cannot go around changing them all, > even in the cases where we can find them (such as those on our Novell net). > Of course, if we had a MotD, then we could put such a message on it :-) > > Still, we might experiment with that idea. > ======================================================================= > Barry Landy, Head of Systems and Development, > University of Cambridge Computing Service > Barry.Landy@ucs.cam.ac.uk 0223-334713 +44-223-334713 > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Nov 4 21:51:17 1993 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA20920; Thu, 4 Nov 93 21:51:17 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA20670; Thu, 4 Nov 93 21:39:23 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from log.css.itd.umich.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA20664; Thu, 4 Nov 93 21:39:19 -0800 Received: from stimpy.css.itd.umich.edu by css.itd.umich.edu (5.67/2.2) id AA15659; Fri, 5 Nov 93 00:39:13 -0500 Received: by stimpy.css.itd.umich.edu (5.67/dumb-1.0) id AA13751; Fri, 5 Nov 93 00:39:12 -0500 Date: Fri, 5 Nov 1993 00:13:38 -0500 (EST) From: Alex Tang Subject: Re: Message-of-the-Day To: Terry Gray Cc: Barry Landy , David L Miller , Pine Info List In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hi. I remember hearing about a bug in pine that would leave crashed imap sessions up, running and increasing the load....well, i was wondering if anyone knows why this is happening? I noticed on the machine i use most often, that there are two that have been running for a while (the shorter has been running for about 24 hours, the other, i don't know how long...).... PID USERNAME PRI NICE SIZE RES STATE TIME WCPU CPU COMMAND 29500 melser 79 0 1200K 268K run 794:12 43.03% 42.97% pine.new 14652 tsobo 79 0 1192K 192K run 1008:10 41.85% 41.80% pine.new ^^^^^^ ^^^^^^^ YOW! ...alex... Alex Tang --- ALTITUDE@UMICH.EDU...USERW00Y@UMICHUM.BITNET -----------+ U of M, SNRE: Student and Computer Consultant II, PGP on req.| ITD/CSS Consultant, Short asian with long hair :) or finger | "it's kinda like getting your wizdom teeth out... You're glad you did it, but it wasn't much fun at the time. --my friend on her trip to Japan. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Nov 4 22:17:36 1993 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA21141; Thu, 4 Nov 93 22:17:36 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA20749; Thu, 4 Nov 93 22:04:14 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from log.css.itd.umich.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA20743; Thu, 4 Nov 93 22:04:12 -0800 Received: from stimpy.css.itd.umich.edu by css.itd.umich.edu (5.67/2.2) id AA15789; Fri, 5 Nov 93 01:04:10 -0500 Received: by stimpy.css.itd.umich.edu (5.67/dumb-1.0) id AA14449; Fri, 5 Nov 93 01:04:09 -0500 Date: Fri, 5 Nov 1993 01:02:53 -0500 (EST) From: Alex Tang Subject: Re: Message-of-the-Day/Hung IMAP processes To: Pine Info List In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Whoops, looks like i did a wrong reply...i hate it when I do that.... Sorry folks, the previous message was meant to be a direct post to the pine mailing list, with the subject "Hung IMAP processes" ...alex... From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Nov 4 22:48:09 1993 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA21378; Thu, 4 Nov 93 22:48:09 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA07908; Thu, 4 Nov 93 22:35:55 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from shiva1.cac.washington.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA07902; Thu, 4 Nov 93 22:35:52 -0800 Received: by shiva1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA20500; Thu, 4 Nov 93 22:35:44 -0800 Date: Thu, 4 Nov 1993 22:29:26 -0800 (PST) From: David L Miller Subject: Re: Message-of-the-Day To: Alex Tang Cc: Terry Gray , Barry Landy , Pine Info List In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Pine versions 3.85 through 3.87 have a bug that can cause runaway processes if a connection is lost when waiting at a prompt in the composer. This bug will be fixed in Pine 3.88. |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA On Fri, 5 Nov 1993, Alex Tang wrote: > Hi. I remember hearing about a bug in pine that would leave crashed imap > sessions up, running and increasing the load....well, i was wondering if > anyone knows why this is happening? I noticed on the machine i use most > often, that there are two that have been running for a while (the shorter has > been running for about 24 hours, the other, i don't know how long...).... > > PID USERNAME PRI NICE SIZE RES STATE TIME WCPU CPU COMMAND > 29500 melser 79 0 1200K 268K run 794:12 43.03% 42.97% pine.new > 14652 tsobo 79 0 1192K 192K run 1008:10 41.85% 41.80% pine.new > ^^^^^^ ^^^^^^^ > YOW! > > ...alex... > > Alex Tang --- ALTITUDE@UMICH.EDU...USERW00Y@UMICHUM.BITNET > -----------+ U of M, SNRE: Student and Computer Consultant II, > PGP on req.| ITD/CSS Consultant, Short asian with long hair :) > or finger | "it's kinda like getting your wizdom teeth out... > You're glad you did it, but it wasn't much fun > at the time. --my friend on her trip to Japan. > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Nov 5 06:17:30 1993 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA26522; Fri, 5 Nov 93 06:17:30 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA10764; Fri, 5 Nov 93 06:01:50 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from udlapvms.pue.udlap.mx by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA10758; Fri, 5 Nov 93 06:01:48 -0800 Received: from deregil.udlap.mx ([140.148.1.100]) by udlapvms.pue.udlap.mx (4.1/SMI-4.0) id AA25212; Fri, 5 Nov 93 08:01:50 CST Received: by deregil.udlap.mx (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA07364; Fri, 5 Nov 93 08:01:58 CST Date: Fri, 5 Nov 1993 07:57:53 -0600 (CST) From: Alfredo De Regil Subject: Marking messages? To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hi, somebody told me that in 'elm' you can mark several messages and then apply a function (reply, forward, delete, etc.) to them... I want to do that in pine too... is it possible? PD: if this is a FAQ question, please flame me but tell me where can I find it! :) Alfredo De Regil - Ing de Proyectos CECUA Universidad de las Americas ___________________________________________________________________________ Sugiere, Avisa, Pide, Alaba, Dona, Exige, Disculpate, Inventa, Grita, Sincerate, Ignora, Saluda, Desea, Sonrie... ESCRIBE! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ alfredo@deregil.pue.udlap.mx From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Nov 5 08:49:16 1993 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA28999; Fri, 5 Nov 93 08:49:16 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA12667; Fri, 5 Nov 93 08:32:30 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from shiva1.cac.washington.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA12661; Fri, 5 Nov 93 08:32:29 -0800 Received: by shiva1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA24754; Fri, 5 Nov 93 08:32:13 -0800 Date: Fri, 5 Nov 1993 08:28:27 -0800 (PST) From: David L Miller Subject: Re: Marking messages? To: Alfredo De Regil Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII This is indeed an FAQ, but since we don't have an FAQ answer list written up I guess you'll have to flame us ;) This capability is not yet available in Pine, but is high on the list of enhancements. We are not yet far enough along to have any projection of when it will be available. |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA On Fri, 5 Nov 1993, Alfredo De Regil wrote: > Hi, > > somebody told me that in 'elm' you can mark several messages and then > apply a function (reply, forward, delete, etc.) to them... > > I want to do that in pine too... is it possible? > > > PD: if this is a FAQ question, please flame me but tell me where can I > find it! :) > > > Alfredo De Regil - Ing de Proyectos CECUA Universidad de las Americas > ___________________________________________________________________________ > Sugiere, Avisa, Pide, Alaba, Dona, Exige, Disculpate, > Inventa, Grita, Sincerate, Ignora, Saluda, Desea, Sonrie... ESCRIBE! > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ alfredo@deregil.pue.udlap.mx > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Nov 5 18:27:05 1993 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA16310; Fri, 5 Nov 93 18:27:05 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA25448; Fri, 5 Nov 93 18:14:12 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from port10.columbus.oh.pub-ip.psi.net by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA25442; Fri, 5 Nov 93 18:14:08 -0800 Date: Fri, 5 Nov 1993 22:12:07 -500 (EST) From: "Steven E. Frazier" Subject: Attachments - fax To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Is it possible to attach a fax and view it with PINE? From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Nov 6 10:41:50 1993 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA24092; Sat, 6 Nov 93 10:41:50 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA01100; Sat, 6 Nov 93 10:32:07 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from shiva2.cac.washington.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA01094; Sat, 6 Nov 93 10:32:05 -0800 Received: by shiva2.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA19205; Sat, 6 Nov 93 10:32:00 -0800 Date: Sat, 6 Nov 1993 10:29:40 -0800 (PST) From: David L Miller Subject: Re: Attachments - fax To: "Steven E. Frazier" Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Pine does not currently understand FAX formats directly, but you can attach a FAX as an application/octet-stream, save it in a file upon reciept and view it with an external FAX viewer. |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA On Fri, 5 Nov 1993, Steven E. Frazier wrote: > > > Is it possible to attach a fax and view it with PINE? > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Nov 6 11:41:02 1993 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA24697; Sat, 6 Nov 93 11:41:02 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA01476; Sat, 6 Nov 93 11:31:50 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from coho.halcyon.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA01470; Sat, 6 Nov 93 11:31:45 -0800 Received: by halcyon.com id AA26637 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for pine-info@cac.washington.edu); Sat, 6 Nov 1993 11:31:41 -0800 From: Ralph Sims Message-Id: <199311061931.AA26637@halcyon.com> Subject: Re: Attachments - fax To: dlm@cac.washington.edu (David L Miller) Date: Sat, 6 Nov 1993 11:31:38 -0800 (PST) Cc: sfrazier@futurenet.com, pine-info@cac.washington.edu In-Reply-To: from "David L Miller" at Nov 6, 93 10:29:40 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL13] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 360 Or, possibly convert the fax image to a TIFF or PCX file and use one of the image viewers commonly available. But I think we're saying about the same same thing. > Pine does not currently understand FAX formats directly, but you can > attach a FAX as an application/octet-stream, save it in a file upon > reciept and view it with an external FAX viewer. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Nov 6 13:41:35 1993 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA25620; Sat, 6 Nov 93 13:41:35 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA29951; Sat, 6 Nov 93 13:28:22 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from Krypton.Mankato.MSUS.EDU by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA29945; Sat, 6 Nov 93 13:28:17 -0800 Received: by krypton.mankato.msus.edu (5.65/DEC-Ultrix/4.3) id AA27985; Sat, 6 Nov 1993 15:32:18 -0600 Date: Sat, 6 Nov 1993 15:23:34 -0600 (CST) From: "Robert A. Hayden" Subject: How to PGP sign a message in pine To: Pine Info Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- I've long wanted the ability to PGP sign a message in pine. The following is sorta a solution, and isn't perfect, but it does perform the necesssary function. - ---------------------------- 1) Extract the following to a file called 'picopgp' (or whatever you wish to call it). - ---> begin script #!/bin/sh pico -z -t $1 pgp -s $1 mv $1.asc $1 - ---> end script 2) chmod it to be executable and put it into your path 3) change your alternate editor to 'picopgp' - ------- Then, if ever you want to sign a message, you can invoke your alternate editor command (^_) and it will sign it for you. As I said, this isn't perfect, but it is functional. If you have any questions, just ask. I spent about 5 minutes on this, so there could be problems (more bugs than lines of code, that's my motto :-) Have a nice day. ____ Robert A. Hayden <=> hayden@krypton.mankato.msus.edu \ /__ -=-=-=-=- <=> -=-=-=-=- \/ / Finger for Geek Code Info <=> Veteran of the Bermuda Triangle \/ Finger for PGP 2.3a Public Key <=> Expeditionary Force -- 1993-1951 - -=-=-=-=-=-=-=- (GEEK CODE 1.0.1) GAT d- -p+(---) c++(++++) l++ u++ e+/* m++(*)@ s-/++ n-(---) h+(*) f+ g+ w++ t++ r++ y+(*) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.3a iQCVAgUBLNwX2Z3BsrEqkf9NAQGlCAP+MSvBid5fK8hf9J2EaaWbBItNSFl/+MGf EsAsTvVdr/I+YJWXpWTpdwTYrKZim7P44XCiYgbVq4Y7sVP2RYSXYcmFwbEDhb0p DcXvqP0QKTEP9Keo1yR1kMeySoYUAYUtfKeTpDqNg723iH14zHzy3tpDUq+4Xi0M u2pgp8w/vc4= =oh1q -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Nov 6 14:03:32 1993 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA25825; Sat, 6 Nov 93 14:03:32 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA00150; Sat, 6 Nov 93 13:54:13 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from Krypton.Mankato.MSUS.EDU by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA00142; Sat, 6 Nov 93 13:54:10 -0800 Received: by krypton.mankato.msus.edu (5.65/DEC-Ultrix/4.3) id AA28920; Sat, 6 Nov 1993 15:58:11 -0600 Date: Sat, 6 Nov 1993 15:55:07 -0600 (CST) From: "Robert A. Hayden" Subject: oops, slight correction on PGP script To: Pine Info Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sorry, here is a corrected version of the PGP script I just mailed. I have my environment defined with the following options, which are not the default: Armor = on # Use -a flag for ASCII armor whenever applicable TextMode = on # Attempt to use -t option where applicable Thus, here is a corrected script to allow the message to maintain text conformity. Apologies. ---------------------- #!/bin/sh pico -z -t $1 pgp -sat $1 mv $1.asc $1 ---------------------- Have a great day. ____ Robert A. Hayden <=> hayden@krypton.mankato.msus.edu \ /__ -=-=-=-=- <=> -=-=-=-=- \/ / Finger for Geek Code Info <=> Veteran of the Bermuda Triangle \/ Finger for PGP 2.3a Public Key <=> Expeditionary Force -- 1993-1951 -=-=-=-=-=-=-=- (GEEK CODE 1.0.1) GAT d- -p+(---) c++(++++) l++ u++ e+/* m++(*)@ s-/++ n-(---) h+(*) f+ g+ w++ t++ r++ y+(*) From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Nov 7 05:22:56 1993 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA03567; Sun, 7 Nov 93 05:22:56 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA07428; Sun, 7 Nov 93 05:11:11 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from port15.columbus.oh.pub-ip.psi.net by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA07404; Sun, 7 Nov 93 05:11:00 -0800 Date: Sun, 7 Nov 1993 08:09:46 -500 (EST) From: "Steven E. Frazier" Subject: Pine for WINDOWS-NT Planned? To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Is Pine for Windows-NT planned? From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Nov 7 05:32:39 1993 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA03652; Sun, 7 Nov 93 05:32:39 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA07475; Sun, 7 Nov 93 05:23:10 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from port15.columbus.oh.pub-ip.psi.net by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA07469; Sun, 7 Nov 93 05:22:59 -0800 Date: Sun, 7 Nov 1993 08:21:37 -500 (EST) From: "Steven E. Frazier" Subject: imapd To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I am new to Pine and imapd, I don't want to take a lot of band-width up on the questions I have on imapd, could someone, willing to help me, email me and I can ask for help via email? thanks. Steve From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Nov 7 11:11:25 1993 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA05573; Sun, 7 Nov 93 11:11:25 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA04307; Sun, 7 Nov 93 11:02:20 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from tomobiki-cho.cac.washington.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA04301; Sun, 7 Nov 93 11:02:18 -0800 Received: from Ikkoku-Kan.Panda.COM by Tomobiki-Cho.CAC.Washington.EDU (NX5.67d/UW-NDC Revision: 2.27.MRC ) id AA03842; Sun, 7 Nov 93 11:02:11 -0800 Received: by Ikkoku-Kan.Panda.COM (NX5.67c/UW-NDC/Panda Revision: 2.27.MRC ) id AA14737; Sun, 7 Nov 93 11:02:04 -0800 Date: Sun, 7 Nov 1993 10:51:49 -0800 (PST) From: Mark Crispin Subject: Re: imapd To: "Steven E. Frazier" Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Sun, 7 Nov 1993, Steven E. Frazier wrote: > I am new to Pine and imapd, I don't want to take a lot of band-width up on > the questions I have on imapd, could someone, willing to help me, email > me and I can ask for help via email? I am the author of imapd. You may send specific technical questions on imapd to me. Please read the documentation first, including the Pine technical notes, since many frequently asked questions appear in this document. In general, however, sending questions to a personal mailbox of a Pine team member is a bad idea. You may guess wrong as to who should field a question (in which case we have to forward the message to the rest of the team); the question may be of interest to someone else (in which case the question will answered again); or the Pine team member in question may be on vacation or otherwise off-line (in which case your response will be delayed). So, in general, please continue to use pine@cac.washington.edu and/or pine-info@cac.washington.edu. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Nov 7 13:15:42 1993 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA06275; Sun, 7 Nov 93 13:15:42 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA09770; Sun, 7 Nov 93 13:07:12 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from port10.columbus.oh.pub-ip.psi.net by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA09764; Sun, 7 Nov 93 13:07:05 -0800 Date: Sun, 7 Nov 1993 15:56:34 -500 (EST) From: "Steven E. Frazier" Subject: Re: imapd To: Mark Crispin Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I have looked and hopefully well :) I have imapd set up in /etc/services and /etc/inetd.conf, I am trying to find an example of .imapdrc but can't. I also couldn't find an example of pine.conf, but that doesn't seem to be a problem as pine made a .pinerc for me as soon as I brought it up. Anyway to the point. I have imapd running on eng.futurenet.com, I am trying to run pine as a client on oak.futurenet.com and it appears imapd may be ok on eng, but I still can't open my inbox from oak. I am getting the following error when I try after it asks me for my login and password on eng: IMAP broken in reply I do have a link between imapd and rimapd I can send you my pine-debug if you need it as well. thanks in advance System:SCO 3.2v4.2 > > In general, however, sending questions to a personal mailbox of a Pine > team member is a bad idea. You may guess wrong as to who should field a > question (in which case we have to forward the message to the rest of the > team); the question may be of interest to someone else (in which case the > question will answered again); or the Pine team member in question may be > on vacation or otherwise off-line (in which case your response will be > delayed). > > So, in general, please continue to use pine@cac.washington.edu and/or > pine-info@cac.washington.edu. > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Nov 7 13:45:54 1993 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA06515; Sun, 7 Nov 93 13:45:54 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA04788; Sun, 7 Nov 93 13:36:27 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from tomobiki-cho.cac.washington.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA04782; Sun, 7 Nov 93 13:36:25 -0800 Received: from Ikkoku-Kan.Panda.COM by Tomobiki-Cho.CAC.Washington.EDU (NX5.67d/UW-NDC Revision: 2.27.MRC ) id AA03940; Sun, 7 Nov 93 13:36:16 -0800 Received: by Ikkoku-Kan.Panda.COM (NX5.67c/UW-NDC/Panda Revision: 2.27.MRC ) id AA15270; Sun, 7 Nov 93 13:36:10 -0800 Date: Sun, 7 Nov 1993 13:12:51 -0800 (PST) From: Mark Crispin Subject: Re: imapd To: "Steven E. Frazier" Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Sun, 7 Nov 1993, Steven E. Frazier wrote: > I have looked and hopefully well :) I have imapd set up in /etc/services and > /etc/inetd.conf, I am trying to find an example of .imapdrc but can't. You should not need an ~/.imaprc or /etc/imapdrc file. These files control only two aspects of behavior. One aspect is obscure (and may be eliminated in the future); the other defaults to the behavior which should be correct 99% of the time. There is a possibility that these files themselves may become extinct. > Anyway to the point. I have imapd running on eng.futurenet.com, I am > trying to run pine as a client on oak.futurenet.com and it appears imapd > may be ok on eng, but I still can't open my inbox from oak. I am > getting the following error when I try after it asks me for my login and > password on eng: > > IMAP broken in reply Most likely, it is ``IMAP connection broken in reply''? This is probably because the imapd has crashed. Most likely, something in the server_login() routine in c-client/os_???.c (probably os_sco.c since you are using an SCO system) is failing for some reason. Since I don't have access to any SCO system, I can't debug it myself. Here's what you should do. Become root (so imapd thinks it is not logged in and so it can log in), and then run imapd under a debugger. After starting it, give a command such as: A001 LOGIN fred secret (where ``fred'' is a user name and ``secret'' is a password). If there's a problem, it'll probably crash at that point. Figure out why it crashed, and fix it. Another possibility may have to do with the mailbox format. I believe that SCO uses MMDF format mailboxes. The MMDF code in c-client is contributed code and I have no idea how well it actually works; I have never used either MMDF or SCO so all I can do is guess. Good luck in debugging. If you determine the problem and have a fix, please send it to me. > I do have a link between imapd and rimapd That would only affect passwordless access. I don't think it is related to this problem. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Nov 7 14:13:27 1993 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA06763; Sun, 7 Nov 93 14:13:27 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA10188; Sun, 7 Nov 93 14:06:53 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from uvaarpa.Virginia.EDU by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA10182; Sun, 7 Nov 93 14:06:51 -0800 Received: from elvis.med.virginia.edu by uvaarpa.virginia.edu id aa10254; 7 Nov 93 17:06 EST Received: by elvis.med.Virginia.EDU (5.65c/1.34) id AA04909; Sun, 7 Nov 1993 17:06:44 -0500 Date: Sun, 7 Nov 1993 17:06:44 -0500 From: "Steven D. Majewski" Message-Id: <199311072206.AA04909@elvis.med.Virginia.EDU> X-Mailer: Mail User's Shell (7.2.3 5/22/91) To: "Steven E. Frazier" Subject: Re: imapd Cc: pine-info <@washington.edu:pine-info@cac.bitnet> One way of debugging server problems separately from the client software, is just to telnet to the appropriate port: telnet loghost 143 ( Or if it is in your /etc/services file, "telnet loghost imap" ) and type in the commands. ( And there just happens to be a sample exchange in RFC1176 ): A Typical Scenario Client Server ------ ------ {Wait for Connection} {Open Connection} --> <-- * OK IMAP2 Server Ready {Wait for command} A001 LOGIN Fred Secret --> <-- A001 OK User Fred logged in {Wait for command} A002 SELECT INBOX --> <-- * FLAGS (Meeting Notice \Answered \Flagged \Deleted \Seen) <-- * 19 EXISTS <-- * 2 RECENT <-- A0002 OK Select complete {Wait for command} [ ... ] A007 LOGOUT --> <-- * BYE IMAP2 server quitting <-- A007 OK Logout complete {Close Connection} --><-- {Close connection} {Go back to start} - Steve Majewski (804-982-0831) - UVA Department of Molecular Physiology and Biological Physics From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Nov 7 14:13:50 1993 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA06799; Sun, 7 Nov 93 14:13:50 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA10180; Sun, 7 Nov 93 14:06:22 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from shiva2.cac.washington.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA10174; Sun, 7 Nov 93 14:06:21 -0800 Received: by shiva2.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA07748; Sun, 7 Nov 93 14:06:15 -0800 Date: Sun, 7 Nov 1993 13:54:52 -0800 (PST) From: Terry Gray Subject: Re: Pine for WINDOWS-NT Planned? To: "Steven E. Frazier" Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Sun, 7 Nov 1993, Steven E. Frazier wrote: > Is Pine for Windows-NT planned? Steven, There are at least two definitions of "Pine for Windows-NT". -The first would be a port of the current Pine, with its character-oriented user interface, to Win-NT. -The second would be a true GUI application, based on Pine but not necessarily having any visible similarity, that ran on Win-NT. As for UW plans: we definitely intend to make a Winsock/Windows version of Pine, with its current user-interface, and this same code might port to NT without much difficulty. As for a full GUI version of Pine for Windows (and thereafter, perhaps Win-NT): we've certainly talked about it, and if resources permit, and other alternatives don't obviate the need, we will definitely be considering such a project. -teg From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Nov 7 16:04:49 1993 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA07532; Sun, 7 Nov 93 16:04:49 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA10856; Sun, 7 Nov 93 15:54:57 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from port10.columbus.oh.pub-ip.psi.net by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA10850; Sun, 7 Nov 93 15:54:49 -0800 Date: Sun, 7 Nov 1993 18:50:42 -500 (EST) From: "Steven E. Frazier" Subject: Re: Attachments - fax To: David L Miller Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I have a "tiffview" which will allow me to view tiff files. In the .pinerc file if I define: # Program to view images if format such as GIF and TIFF image-viewer=/usr/local/bin/tiffview Should this work, or what is the purpuse of this entry? Thanks. Steve From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Nov 8 03:23:59 1993 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA12921; Mon, 8 Nov 93 03:23:59 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA14314; Mon, 8 Nov 93 03:09:14 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from eros.Britain.EU.net by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA14308; Mon, 8 Nov 93 03:09:07 -0800 Received: from march.co.uk by eros.britain.eu.net with UUCP id ; Mon, 8 Nov 1993 11:08:48 +0000 Date: Mon, 8 Nov 1993 10:58:30 +0000 (GMT) From: Ross Wakelin Subject: Re: Error compiling with sv4... To: Matt Simmons Cc: Pine Mailing List In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Received: from march.co.uk by march.co.uk; Mon, 8 Nov 1993 11:02 GMT Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Length: 1639 On Wed, 3 Nov 1993, Matt Simmons wrote: > I tried compiling pine under sv4, and all was well, until it tried to > compile pine itself... I got the following error: > > cc -O pine.c -o pine > "/usr/include/stdlib.h", line 66: identifier redeclared: system > "/usr/include/unistd.h", line 154: identifier redeclared: rename > "./../c-client/osdep.h", line 108: warning: identifier redeclared: gethostid > "pine.c", line 1915: warning: semantics of ">" change in ANSI C; use explicit cast > *** Error code 1 (bu21) > > make: fatal error. > > The only changes made to makefile.sv4 were to comment out the entire > DEBUG line and to uncomment the optimize line... These changes worked for > the sunos version of pine, so I didn't think there'd be a problem with > sv4 pine... > > > This is because of a small confusion about what the sv4 port of pine really is... its a sv4.2 port. The sv4 port as distributed with 3.84 is a port to sv4.2, tested on several vendors and architectures. The straight sv4 port was done on 3.84 (oh so long ago now :)), and needed some hacking to the order of header files etc, so the patches were REALLY long. We decided to move straight to sv4.2, and also cover solaris, and hope that most people with ordinary sv4.0 would migrate forward in the fullness of time. There are two or three hacks that must be done to the "sv4" port to make it work on 4.0. Do you want the list? Cheers. Ross Wakelin r.wakelin@march.co.uk Open Systems Director or ..mcsun!uknet!uknet!march!rossw March Systems Consultancy Ltd +44 734 845 399 From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Nov 8 06:43:49 1993 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA15222; Mon, 8 Nov 93 06:43:49 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA15659; Mon, 8 Nov 93 06:30:35 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from discus.technion.ac.il by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA15653; Mon, 8 Nov 93 06:30:24 -0800 Received: from localhost (oved@localhost) by discus.technion.ac.il (8.6.4/8.5) id QAA05211; Mon, 8 Nov 1993 16:30:16 +0200 Date: Mon, 8 Nov 1993 16:20:08 +0200 (EET) From: Oved Ben-Aroya Subject: Pine (3.87) via terminal server connections To: David L Miller Cc: PINE INFO In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Some terminal servers transtale ^C to break in their telnet. This causes grief to our users when they try to cancel a message in compose mode. The following code seems to make ^C work in pine, even with T.S. of this kind: % cd pico % rcsdiff os_unix.c RCS file: RCS/os_unix.c,v retrieving revision 1.1 diff -r1.1 os_unix.c 2c2 < static char rcsid[] = "$Id: os_unix.c,v 1.1 93/10/17 14:58:49 oved Exp $"; --- > static char rcsid[] = "$Id: os_unix.c,v 4.26 1993/10/06 17:12:54 mikes Exp $"; 413a414,419 > > /* XXX try to handle telnet IP */ > if ((c & 0x80) != 0) { /* may be IP in telnet */ > c = CTRL | 'C'; > sleep(1); /* prevent local output flush problems */ > } Could this, please, be merged in the official distribution? -- \Oved From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Nov 8 07:24:24 1993 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA15597; Mon, 8 Nov 93 07:24:24 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA08423; Mon, 8 Nov 93 07:00:14 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from gw1.att.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA08417; Mon, 8 Nov 93 07:00:12 -0800 From: rhonda@hq.attmail.com (Rhonda Gaines) Date: 8 Nov 93 14:49:50 GMT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Message-Service: mail Received: from hq by attmail; Mon Nov 8 14:59 GMT 1993 Received: by hq (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA27703; Mon, 8 Nov 1993 09:49:50 -0500 Subject: problem running pico Message-Id: <9311081449.AA27703@hq> Organization: Chesapeake Packaging Co. X-Mailer: ELM [version 3.0chs PL17] Content-Type: text I have pico v2.1 compiled and running on all our rs6000s, except one. When you try and execute pico you get the error message: "Unknown terminal type vt220!" The machines are setup alike as far as I know. Aix version 3.2.0. Anyone have any idea what could be the problem? I even re-compiled pico directly on the machine and still get the same error message. -thanks rhonda -- ========================================================================= Rhonda Gaines, Programmer rhonda@hq.attmail.com Chesapeake Packaging Co. Voice: (804) 254-8613 Fax: (804) 355-4968 2104 W. Laburnum Avenue, Suite 209 Richmond, VA 23227 From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Nov 8 08:55:22 1993 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA17582; Mon, 8 Nov 93 08:55:22 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA17340; Mon, 8 Nov 93 08:36:32 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from shiva1.cac.washington.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA17330; Mon, 8 Nov 93 08:36:18 -0800 Received: by shiva1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA21488; Mon, 8 Nov 93 08:36:05 -0800 Date: Mon, 8 Nov 1993 08:32:09 -0800 (PST) From: David L Miller Subject: Re: problem running pico To: Rhonda Gaines Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu In-Reply-To: <9311081449.AA27703@hq> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII The problem seems to be that some AIX systems have a rather limited /etc/termcap database. One solution proposed by a number of people is to recompile replacing "-ltermcap" with "-lcurses" in the makefile.a32. Alternatively, you can copy an /etc/termcap from a machine that has a more complete one. We are investigating changing the default for the next release, but have not decided for certain yet. |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA On 8 Nov 1993, Rhonda Gaines wrote: > I have pico v2.1 compiled and running on all our rs6000s, except one. > When you try and execute pico you get the error message: "Unknown > terminal type vt220!" > > The machines are setup alike as far as I know. Aix version 3.2.0. > Anyone have any idea what could be the problem? I even re-compiled pico > directly on the machine and still get the same error message. > > -thanks > rhonda > > -- > ========================================================================= > Rhonda Gaines, Programmer rhonda@hq.attmail.com > Chesapeake Packaging Co. Voice: (804) 254-8613 Fax: (804) 355-4968 > 2104 W. Laburnum Avenue, Suite 209 Richmond, VA 23227 From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Nov 8 08:57:33 1993 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA17730; Mon, 8 Nov 93 08:57:33 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA17488; Mon, 8 Nov 93 08:44:12 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from shiva1.cac.washington.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA17482; Mon, 8 Nov 93 08:44:09 -0800 Received: by shiva1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA21660; Mon, 8 Nov 93 08:42:45 -0800 Date: Mon, 8 Nov 1993 08:39:29 -0800 (PST) From: David L Miller Subject: Re: Attachments - fax To: "Steven E. Frazier" Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Pine currently assumes that "image-viewer" can handle gif, pgm, pbm, tiff, and jpeg image sub-types. With that in mind, your definition should work. |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA On Sun, 7 Nov 1993, Steven E. Frazier wrote: > I have a "tiffview" which will allow me to view tiff files. In the .pinerc > file if I define: > > > # Program to view images if format such as GIF and TIFF > image-viewer=/usr/local/bin/tiffview > > Should this work, or what is the purpuse of this entry? > > Thanks. > > Steve > > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Nov 8 10:14:57 1993 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA20292; Mon, 8 Nov 93 10:14:57 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA09424; Mon, 8 Nov 93 10:02:09 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from gw1.att.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA09418; Mon, 8 Nov 93 10:02:06 -0800 From: rhonda@hq.attmail.com (Rhonda Gaines) Date: 8 Nov 93 17:32:43 GMT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Message-Service: mail Received: from hq by attmail; Mon Nov 8 17:59 GMT 1993 Received: by hq (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA24464; Mon, 8 Nov 1993 12:32:43 -0500 Subject: Re: problem running pico Message-Id: <9311081732.AA24464@hq> Organization: Chesapeake Packaging Co. X-Mailer: ELM [version 3.0chs PL17] Content-Type: text Thanks for the quick replies. Replacing -ltermcap with -lcurses does indeed correct the "Unknown terminal type" error -thanks again rhonda P.S. I've become a 'goddess' in the sight of my users since I've installed pico. No more vi for them! -- ========================================================================= Rhonda Gaines, Programmer rhonda@hq.attmail.com Chesapeake Packaging Co. Voice: (804) 254-8613 Fax: (804) 355-4968 2104 W. Laburnum Avenue, Suite 209 Richmond, VA 23227 From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Nov 8 12:56:29 1993 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA25540; Mon, 8 Nov 93 12:56:29 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA10353; Mon, 8 Nov 93 12:37:17 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from herald.usask.ca by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA10337; Mon, 8 Nov 93 12:36:58 -0800 Received: by herald.usask.ca (5.65/DEC-Ultrix/4.3) id AA29870; Mon, 8 Nov 1993 14:36:42 -0600 for pine-info@cac.washington.edu Date: Mon, 8 Nov 1993 14:30:44 -0600 (CST) From: "Darryl Friesen (4758)" Subject: A feature request... To: Pine Mailing List Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I use tin for reading news. One of the neatest features is the way it handles signature files. It has a standard signature (.sigfixed I think) like Pine does now, but also allows the inclusion of a second, random signature. For example, the .tinrc file (?) contains a signature file option. If a directory rather than a file is specified, tin will choose a random file from that directory and include it after the standard .sigfixed signature file. I realize this isn't a practical feature, but it would be a neat addition to Pine. Just my 2 cents worth, - Darryl ------------------------------------------------------------ Darryl Friesen | friesenda@sask.usask.ca Client Services | Darryl.Friesen@usask.ca Dept of Computing Services | University of Saskatchewan | "Team OS/2" ------------------------------------------------------------ From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Nov 8 13:08:17 1993 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA25920; Mon, 8 Nov 93 13:08:17 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA23192; Mon, 8 Nov 93 12:55:10 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from stein.u.washington.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA23186; Mon, 8 Nov 93 12:55:09 -0800 Received: by stein2.u.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA20924; Mon, 8 Nov 93 12:55:08 -0800 X-Sender: mramey@stein2.u.washington.edu Date: Mon, 8 Nov 1993 12:46:40 -0800 (PST) From: Mike Ramey Subject: PICO; justification; quit/discard confirm. To: Pine-Info Email List Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII EXIT PROTOCOL: -------------- I just lost several hours work when trying to leave pico. When it asked "Save before leaving?", I had second thoughts (I actually wanted to continue editing) and replied 'n'. DAMN! May I suggest that when the user specifies quit/discard that they be asked: "Do you really want to lose your work?" Suggest the following sequence: Do you really want to quit pico? (y,n) [n] If y: Do you want to save to ? (y,n) [n] if n: Do you REALLY want to lose your work? (y,n) [n] if n: continue editing. JUSTIFICATION ERRORS (^J): -------------------------- Pico loses the double space at sentence end if the preceding sentence ends with: " ) -mr From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Nov 8 13:23:26 1993 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA26290; Mon, 8 Nov 93 13:23:26 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA23581; Mon, 8 Nov 93 13:11:49 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from bradley.bradley.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA23575; Mon, 8 Nov 93 13:11:46 -0800 Received: from cs1.bradley.edu by bradley.bradley.edu with SMTP id AA04834 (5.65b/IDA-1.4.3 for pine-info@cac.washington.edu); Mon, 8 Nov 93 15:11:44 -0600 Received: by cs1.bradley.edu (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA06368; Mon, 8 Nov 93 15:11:44 CST Date: Mon, 8 Nov 1993 15:10:29 -0600 (CST) From: Matt Simmons Subject: Re: pine process To: Pete Hartman Cc: Pine Mailing List In-Reply-To: <9311082030.AA05649@cs1.bradley.edu> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII To the list people: This pine will process was mailing a user named will, and had been suspended. Why would it still be sucking up CPU cycles while suspended. If it matters, I had logged out without killing the job. On Mon, 8 Nov 1993, Pete Hartman wrote: > You need to be more careful. I just killed a process running "pine > will" that had racked up over *52000* CPU minutes. Don't let it > happen again. Devoted _n______________________________________________ _________________ Teri / \|[]|"" \ |[]| |[]| |[]| |[]| / || \ |[]| |[]| Polo ,(_____| |()_()\___| |___| |___| |___| |___/ || \___| |___| | Fan <_______|__|_(_)_____|__|___|__|___|__|___|__|______||______|__|___|__| =========\ Walt Disney World Monorail System || LCA _____\________________________________________________||_________________ __/ This highway's in perfect shape. Quick! Thank god I'm not a _/ Break it so we can 'fix' it! -- IDOT Motto F. I. P. =) From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Nov 8 13:50:37 1993 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA27120; Mon, 8 Nov 93 13:50:37 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA24049; Mon, 8 Nov 93 13:32:46 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from shiva1.cac.washington.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA24041; Mon, 8 Nov 93 13:32:44 -0800 Received: by shiva1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA28688; Mon, 8 Nov 93 13:32:40 -0800 Date: Mon, 8 Nov 1993 13:28:50 -0800 (PST) From: David L Miller Subject: Re: pine process To: Matt Simmons Cc: Pete Hartman , Pine Mailing List In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Pine 3.87 has an annoying little bug that crops up when you get disconnected while in the composer. Basically, it is waiting for user input, detects an I/O failure, and tries to kill itself. Unfortunately, the signal handler just sets a flag and returns to the input loop :( This will be fixed in Pine 3.88 which should be out later this week. |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA On Mon, 8 Nov 1993, Matt Simmons wrote: > To the list people: This pine will process was mailing a user named > will, and had been suspended. Why would it still be sucking up CPU > cycles while suspended. If it matters, I had logged out without killing > the job. > > On Mon, 8 Nov 1993, Pete Hartman wrote: > > You need to be more careful. I just killed a process running "pine > > will" that had racked up over *52000* CPU minutes. Don't let it > > happen again. > > > Devoted _n______________________________________________ _________________ > Teri / \|[]|"" \ |[]| |[]| |[]| |[]| / || \ |[]| |[]| > Polo ,(_____| |()_()\___| |___| |___| |___| |___/ || \___| |___| | > Fan <_______|__|_(_)_____|__|___|__|___|__|___|__|______||______|__|___|__| > =========\ Walt Disney World Monorail System || > LCA _____\________________________________________________||_________________ > __/ This highway's in perfect shape. Quick! Thank god I'm not a > _/ Break it so we can 'fix' it! -- IDOT Motto F. I. P. =) > > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Nov 8 13:59:33 1993 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA27419; Mon, 8 Nov 93 13:59:33 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA23951; Mon, 8 Nov 93 13:30:21 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from shiva1.cac.washington.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA23944; Mon, 8 Nov 93 13:30:17 -0800 Received: by shiva1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA28564; Mon, 8 Nov 93 13:26:04 -0800 Date: Mon, 8 Nov 1993 13:20:26 -0800 (PST) From: David L Miller Subject: Re: A feature request... To: "Darryl Friesen (4758)" Cc: Pine Mailing List In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Yeah, neat feature! Maybe I'll add it in my copious free time ;) Of course, if you get ambitious, it would be pretty easy to hack it into the get_signature() function at the bottom of pine/reply.c and build your own :) --DLM |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA On Mon, 8 Nov 1993, Darryl Friesen (4758) wrote: > > I use tin for reading news. One of the neatest features is the > way it handles signature files. It has a standard signature > (.sigfixed I think) like Pine does now, but also allows the > inclusion of a second, random signature. For example, the > .tinrc file (?) contains a signature file option. If a directory > rather than a file is specified, tin will choose a random > file from that directory and include it after the standard > .sigfixed signature file. > > I realize this isn't a practical feature, but it would be a neat > addition to Pine. > > Just my 2 cents worth, > > - Darryl > > ------------------------------------------------------------ > Darryl Friesen | friesenda@sask.usask.ca > Client Services | Darryl.Friesen@usask.ca > Dept of Computing Services | > University of Saskatchewan | "Team OS/2" > ------------------------------------------------------------ > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Nov 8 14:03:15 1993 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA27555; Mon, 8 Nov 93 14:03:15 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA23783; Mon, 8 Nov 93 13:22:45 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from hopi.dtcc.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA23777; Mon, 8 Nov 93 13:22:42 -0800 Received: by hopi.dtcc.edu (5.4R2.01/200.1.1.4) id AA23305; Mon, 8 Nov 1993 16:22:29 -0500 Date: Mon, 8 Nov 1993 16:06:39 -0500 (EST) From: Ken Weaverling Subject: Re: PICO; justification; quit/discard confirm. To: Mike Ramey Cc: Pine-Info Email List In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Mon, 8 Nov 1993, Mike Ramey wrote: > EXIT PROTOCOL: > -------------- > > I just lost several hours work when trying to leave pico. > When it asked "Save before leaving?", I had second thoughts > (I actually wanted to continue editing) and replied 'n'. DAMN! This has actually happened to me a few times. I am not sure that a sequence of messages is desirable though. I hate stuff like this.... Do you want to save? Are you sure you don't want to save? All of your changes will be lost, last chance. Do you want to save? OK, you don't want to save, but are you sure you want to exit now? Postive? Cause idiots like me will just get used to hitting nnnyy out of habbit! One possibility is to save it anyway in a 'last chance' file, sort of like Pnews does. Example: Modified buffer: Save before leaving (y/n)? n A copy of the file was saved to .lastchance in case you change your mind And only, of course, have one copy. Next time they quit without saving, .lastchance will be overwritten again. Come to think of it, emacs does something similar with quits without saves. Ken Weaverling weave@dtcc.edu Manager of Computer Services Stanton/Wilmington Campuses of Delaware Technical & Community College From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Nov 8 14:25:35 1993 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA28365; Mon, 8 Nov 93 14:25:35 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA10963; Mon, 8 Nov 93 14:11:53 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from pellns.ALLEG.EDU by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA10957; Mon, 8 Nov 93 14:11:49 -0800 Received: from redbaron by alleg.EDU (NX5.67d/NX3.0M) id AA14296; Mon, 8 Nov 93 17:11:48 -0500 From: Aaron Herskowitz Message-Id: <9311082211.AA14296@alleg.EDU> Received: by redbaron.alleg.edu (NX5.67d/NX3.0X) id AA13033; Mon, 8 Nov 93 17:11:47 -0500 Date: Mon, 8 Nov 93 17:11:47 -0500 Received: by NeXT.Mailer (1.95) Received: by NeXT Mailer (1.95) To: Pine Info Subject: Trying to Configure Pine Reply-To: aherskow@alleg.EDU Hi. I am new to this list and Pine, and I was hoping that you experienced Pine users/administrators could help with a few questions I have. I have read through the docs, but can't find the answers I need (maybe I don't have all the docs?!) Most of these questions are specific to my platform, but others may be straight Pine configuration problems. I am installing Pine for usage by our dial-up users. I am working with Pine 3.87 on a NeXTstation running NEXTSTEP 3.1. I have everything compiled, and it works great, but there are a few problems I am having with the configuration: 1. e-mail address full name expansion: This really isn't a problem because I have it working, but I feel like I used duct tape to make it work. The way our campus mail configuration is (we have one mail server for approx 280 workstations) all mail is sent to username@alleg.edu (no hostnames attached, just the domain name.) All machines on campus mount /usr/spool/mail from the mailhost. Also, the way our hosts are set, the "hostname" command will return "hostname" not "hostname.alleg.edu". So... a. if a Pine user composes mail, types in an on-campus address in the To: field, it is expanded to "Full Name " which is incorrect (it should have the domain name and not the hostname). b. If I set the "user-domain" variable in /usr/local/lib/pine.conf to "alleg.edu" then the e-mail address is now expanded to "user@alleg.edu" (correct e-mail address, but no full name expansion anymore...ugh!) c. If I change the hostname of the machine so that the hostname command returns "hostname.alleg.edu", and set the "use-only-domain-name" variable in /usr/local/lib/pine.conf then the e-mail address is expanded to "Full Name " which is exactly what I want....hurray! But, the problem with configuration "c" is that I now have 1 machine who's hostname includes the domain name, while all other 279 machines on campus don't include the hostname. No big deal, but it would be nice to understand what is going on here. Is there a NeXT Sys Admin out there that had the same problem? I figure that the full name expansion is done via netinfo, but why can't Pine do the full name expansion if you have "user-domain" set?! 2. I would like to hear from users running Pine on NeXTs. I have been trying to see how compatable NeXTmail and Pine are: a. has someone written a script/program to put the ~/.NeXT/.mailaliases into the ~/.addressbook format (it should be simple, but I thought I would ask first) b. can Pine read NeXTmail attachements or handle the NeXTmail mailbox format (table_of_contents) with a driver of some sort? Is Pine flexible enough that one could be written and sort of slapped on the side if you wanted? c. is there a NeXT application that I can use which will decode both NeXTmail and MIME attachments so that I don't have to give 2 different applications to my users (one for NeXTmail attachments and one for MIME)?? d. Mail.app in NEXTSTEP 3.1 removes the /usr/spool/mail/username file after it gets the mail. If no new mail has arrived and a user runs Pine, Pine complains when it starts up saying that INBOX doesn't exist and no folder is open and it beeps a few times. I have a feeling that this will confuse our users (sounds sad doesn't it.) Is there anyway around this? 3. Was Pine somewhat developed on a NeXT?! I was surprised to see NeXT app MIME interfaces on ftp.cac.washington.edu. Also, some references in the documentation refer to features being available on the NeXT, but not tested on other platforms. 4. Is there a specific technical document (besides the code) that details how Pine and netinfo communicate? Thanks for your time, Aaron --- Aaron Herskowitz [NeXTmail and MIME Welcomed] E-Mail: aherskow@alleg.edu Academic Systems Manager, Technical and Network Services Voice: (814)332-2755 Allegheny College, Meadville, Pennsylvania Fax: (814)333-9699 From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Nov 8 14:28:11 1993 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA28426; Mon, 8 Nov 93 14:28:11 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA24940; Mon, 8 Nov 93 14:12:32 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from nethost.multnomah.lib.or.us by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA24934; Mon, 8 Nov 93 14:12:22 -0800 Received: by nethost.multnomah.lib.or.us (4.1/1.34) id AA12593; Mon, 8 Nov 93 14:12:23 PST Date: Mon, 8 Nov 1993 14:09:49 -0800 (PST) From: Brian Williams Subject: Printing in pico To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Possible enhancement: Printing to a local printer in pine is working well for our users from most terminals or PC's. I'd like to have similar capabilities in pico. Possible? Brian Williams Automation Manager Multnomah County Library 801 SW 10th Portland, OR 97205 (503)248-5227 (v) (503)248-5226 (f) brianw@nethost.multnomah.lib.or.us From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Nov 8 14:29:56 1993 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA28495; Mon, 8 Nov 93 14:29:56 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA24974; Mon, 8 Nov 93 14:13:56 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from shiva1.cac.washington.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA24968; Mon, 8 Nov 93 14:13:53 -0800 Received: by shiva1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA29939; Mon, 8 Nov 93 14:13:45 -0800 Date: Mon, 8 Nov 1993 14:12:00 -0800 (PST) From: David L Miller Subject: Re: PICO; justification; quit/discard confirm. To: Ken Weaverling Cc: Mike Ramey , Pine-Info Email List In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII We have been mulling over the possibility of adding an optional deleted-messages folder. Perhaps these messages should go there as well? --DLM |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA On Mon, 8 Nov 1993, Ken Weaverling wrote: > On Mon, 8 Nov 1993, Mike Ramey wrote: > > > EXIT PROTOCOL: > > -------------- > > > > I just lost several hours work when trying to leave pico. > > When it asked "Save before leaving?", I had second thoughts > > (I actually wanted to continue editing) and replied 'n'. DAMN! > > This has actually happened to me a few times. I am not sure that a > sequence of messages is desirable though. I hate stuff like this.... > > Do you want to save? > Are you sure you don't want to save? > All of your changes will be lost, last chance. Do you want to save? > OK, you don't want to save, but are you sure you want to exit now? > Postive? > > Cause idiots like me will just get used to hitting nnnyy out of habbit! > > One possibility is to save it anyway in a 'last chance' file, sort of like > Pnews does. > > Example: > > Modified buffer: Save before leaving (y/n)? n > A copy of the file was saved to .lastchance in case you change your mind > > And only, of course, have one copy. Next time they quit without saving, > .lastchance will be overwritten again. > > Come to think of it, emacs does something similar with quits without saves. > > > Ken Weaverling weave@dtcc.edu > Manager of Computer Services > Stanton/Wilmington Campuses of > Delaware Technical & Community College > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Nov 8 14:32:08 1993 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA28608; Mon, 8 Nov 93 14:32:08 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA25004; Mon, 8 Nov 93 14:14:53 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from port10.columbus.oh.pub-ip.psi.net by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA24988; Mon, 8 Nov 93 14:14:40 -0800 Date: Mon, 8 Nov 1993 17:10:40 -500 (EST) From: "Steven E. Frazier" Subject: Re: Attachments - fax To: David L Miller Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I attached the fax as a fax and sent it to the other box; that didn't work. I converted the fax to a tiff file and that didn't work. I set the "image-viewer" to tiffview and that didn't work; all I got was: "don't know how to display attachment Image/TIFF" Any suggestions? Norstan Communications, Inc. | Steven E. Frazier 8101 N. High Street Suite 100 |--------------------------------------- Columbus, OH 43235 | Local : sfrazier Voice 614-785-7335 Fax 614-785-7367 | Remote: sfrazier@futurenet.com On Mon, 8 Nov 1993, David L Miller wrote: > > Pine currently assumes that "image-viewer" can handle gif, pgm, pbm, > tiff, and jpeg image sub-types. With that in mind, your definition > should work. > > |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 > |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) > University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing > 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA > > On Sun, 7 Nov 1993, Steven E. Frazier wrote: > > > I have a "tiffview" which will allow me to view tiff files. In the .pinerc > > file if I define: > > > > > > # Program to view images if format such as GIF and TIFF > > image-viewer=/usr/local/bin/tiffview > > > > Should this work, or what is the purpuse of this entry? > > > > Thanks. > > > > Steve > > > > > > > >  From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Nov 8 14:35:14 1993 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA28826; Mon, 8 Nov 93 14:35:14 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA25101; Mon, 8 Nov 93 14:19:07 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from shiva1.cac.washington.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA25095; Mon, 8 Nov 93 14:19:04 -0800 Received: by shiva1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA00206; Mon, 8 Nov 93 14:18:54 -0800 Date: Mon, 8 Nov 1993 14:17:57 -0800 (PST) From: David L Miller Subject: Re: Attachments - fax To: "Steven E. Frazier" Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Oops, sorry, that's a fix that is coming in 3.88... Should be out in a few days... |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA On Mon, 8 Nov 1993, Steven E. Frazier wrote: > I attached the fax as a fax and sent it to the other box; that didn't > work. I converted the fax to a tiff file and that didn't work. > I set the "image-viewer" to tiffview and that didn't work; all I got > was: > "don't know how to display attachment Image/TIFF" > > Any suggestions? > > Norstan Communications, Inc. | Steven E. Frazier > 8101 N. High Street Suite 100 |--------------------------------------- > Columbus, OH 43235 | Local : sfrazier > Voice 614-785-7335 Fax 614-785-7367 | Remote: sfrazier@futurenet.com > > On Mon, 8 Nov 1993, David L Miller wrote: > > > > > Pine currently assumes that "image-viewer" can handle gif, pgm, pbm, > > tiff, and jpeg image sub-types. With that in mind, your definition > > should work. > > > > |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 > > |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) > > University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing > > 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA > > > > On Sun, 7 Nov 1993, Steven E. Frazier wrote: > > > > > I have a "tiffview" which will allow me to view tiff files. In the .pinerc > > > file if I define: > > > > > > > > > # Program to view images if format such as GIF and TIFF > > > image-viewer=/usr/local/bin/tiffview > > > > > > Should this work, or what is the purpuse of this entry? > > > > > > Thanks. > > > > > > Steve > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Nov 8 14:42:59 1993 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA29310; Mon, 8 Nov 93 14:42:59 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA11033; Mon, 8 Nov 93 14:28:42 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from hopi.dtcc.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA11027; Mon, 8 Nov 93 14:28:38 -0800 Received: by hopi.dtcc.edu (5.4R2.01/200.1.1.4) id AA23661; Mon, 8 Nov 1993 17:28:35 -0500 Date: Mon, 8 Nov 1993 17:26:26 -0500 (EST) From: Ken Weaverling Subject: Re: PICO; justification; quit/discard confirm. To: David L Miller Cc: Pine-Info Email List In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Mon, 8 Nov 1993, David L Miller wrote: > We have been mulling over the possibility of adding an optional > deleted-messages folder. Perhaps these messages should go there as > well? One problem I see with this, we use pico as our default editor. Gets loaded for lots of things, like when composing a message for Pnews or trn for example. Maybe just an internal command to retrieve last unsaved message. Sorry, I don't have a constructive suggestion on this one. I do fear feature overload though. Ken Weaverling weave@dtcc.edu Manager of Computer Services Stanton/Wilmington Campuses of Delaware Technical & Community College From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Nov 8 14:51:17 1993 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA29674; Mon, 8 Nov 93 14:51:17 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA25477; Mon, 8 Nov 93 14:33:06 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from shiva1.cac.washington.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA25471; Mon, 8 Nov 93 14:33:03 -0800 Received: by shiva1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA00448; Mon, 8 Nov 93 14:32:29 -0800 Date: Mon, 8 Nov 1993 14:29:39 -0800 (PST) From: David L Miller Subject: Re: Folder names in save To: Steve Woodyatt Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sorry to take so long getting back to you. The latest versions of pine should successfully ferret out the correct name to save to. BTW, the current version is 3.87 but Pine 3.88 should be out in a few days. Thanks for the report! --DLM |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA On Wed, 22 Sep 1993, Steve Woodyatt wrote: > > Hi all, > > Probably something that has been addressed in the new version of Pine, however > I'll mention it anyway. > > I regularly receive mail with headers of the form: > > From: Tourenne > > To:uunet.UU.NET!uunet!VENUS.RESNTL.BHP.COM.AU!steve@squiggle.resntl.bhp.com.au > Subject: RE: Hello > > When I go to save the message in a folder, it tries to create a folder > named: > > uunet.UU.NET!vital!unixmailgate!tourenne@squiggle.resntl.bhp.com.au > > which of course I want to change. The only problem is that the length of > the name of that default folder leaves me no room to type a new folder > name in, after the prompt! > > Steve. > > -------------------------------------------------------------------/\/\--- > Steve Woodyatt, Research Scientist, Geoscience & Spatial Systems. / / /\ > BHP Research - Newcastle Laboratories, Australia./ / / \ > Snail : P.O. Box 188, Wallsend 2287 / / / /\ \ > Tel : +61 49 510695 Fax: +61 49 502126 \ \/ / / / > Internet: steve@resntl.bhp.com.au \ / / / > ------------------------------------------------------------------\/\/\/-- > > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Nov 8 14:57:29 1993 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA29983; Mon, 8 Nov 93 14:57:29 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA25761; Mon, 8 Nov 93 14:41:15 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from shiva1.cac.washington.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA25753; Mon, 8 Nov 93 14:41:10 -0800 Received: by shiva1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA00776; Mon, 8 Nov 93 14:40:52 -0800 Date: Mon, 8 Nov 1993 14:35:46 -0800 (PST) From: David L Miller Subject: Re: Printing in pico To: Brian Williams Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Well, one of the big problems with providing a print capability from within pico is that we don't have any function keys left to call the new command from... Probably the best advice we can offer is to save the file, exit pine (or suspend it), and use a utility like ansiprt, which is supplied in the contrib directory of the Pine distribution. |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA On Mon, 8 Nov 1993, Brian Williams wrote: > Possible enhancement: > > Printing to a local printer in pine is working well for our users from > most terminals or PC's. I'd like to have similar capabilities in pico. > Possible? > > Brian Williams Automation Manager > Multnomah County Library 801 SW 10th Portland, OR 97205 > (503)248-5227 (v) (503)248-5226 (f) brianw@nethost.multnomah.lib.or.us > > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Nov 8 15:04:29 1993 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA00412; Mon, 8 Nov 93 15:04:29 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA11180; Mon, 8 Nov 93 14:50:17 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from tomobiki-cho.cac.washington.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA11174; Mon, 8 Nov 93 14:50:10 -0800 Received: from Ikkoku-Kan.Panda.COM by Tomobiki-Cho.CAC.Washington.EDU (NX5.67d/UW-NDC Revision: 2.27.MRC ) id AA04887; Mon, 8 Nov 93 14:49:51 -0800 Received: from localhost by Ikkoku-Kan.Panda.COM (NX5.67c/UW-NDC/Panda Revision: 2.27.MRC ) id AA19711; Mon, 8 Nov 93 14:49:36 -0800 Date: Mon, 8 Nov 1993 14:27:55 -0800 (PST) From: Mark Crispin Subject: re: Trying to Configure Pine To: aherskow@alleg.EDU Cc: Pine Info In-Reply-To: <9311082211.AA14296@alleg.EDU> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Hi - Here is an answer to some of your questions. I don't know the answer to all of them; hopefully one of my colleagues can fill in the blanks. Pine does not read NeXTmail attachments. There are no plans to do so. NeXTmail is a private format used only by NeXT. The Internet standard is MIME. I have no idea when, or even if, NeXT plans to fix NeXTmail to use MIME instead of their proprietary format; there have been reports of such work. I hope you appreciate the problems we face if we start trying to support non-standard proprietary formats. Even if we did, NeXTmail would be fairly low on the priority list compared to cc:mail, Oracle, Microsoft Mail, etc. I have heard rumors of NeXT applications which will translate NeXTmail into MIME, but I don't know of any directly. Personally, I recommend that you give serious consideration to abandoning NeXTmail. It is a dead end. No other vendors support it, or to my knowledge have any plans for future support, whereas many vendors support (or have announced plans to support) MIME, including Microsoft. NeXTmail's hiding of mailboxes in its own private directory was a reason (there were others) why NeXTmail was never seriously considered around here. You could try adding a c-client module to Pine to recognize where NeXTmail hides mail. Take a look at the mbox module to see how you do subclassing of the bezerk driver in c-client. You may be able to win with a minor modification to the mbox_file() routine, plus linking in the mboxdriver in the pine.c main module via an appropriate mail_link() call. Pine was developed on a NeXT, as that was the workstation sitting on its programmer's desk. The current development platform is ULTRIX, although that will change soon. c-client, the underlying engine used by Pine, was originally developed on a Macintosh, but has been homed on a NeXT for the past five years. However, the NeXT is used strictly as a BSD Unix clone. MailManager, the NeXT GUI application, was started at about the same time as Pine, but development on it ended three years ago when it became clear that NeXT wasn't going anywhere (there were tens of MailManager users compared to thousands of Pine users back then...). I still use MailManager, but it is showing its age compared to Pine. One benefit of MailManager is that it is a NeXT GUI application and does interoperate completely with Pine. Pine uses the standard UNIX system calls for system information lookup. There is no specific knowledge in Pine of NetInfo. -- Mark -- From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Nov 8 15:06:00 1993 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA00512; Mon, 8 Nov 93 15:06:00 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA26179; Mon, 8 Nov 93 14:52:19 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from bradley.bradley.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA26173; Mon, 8 Nov 93 14:52:15 -0800 Received: from cs1.bradley.edu by bradley.bradley.edu with SMTP id AA12484 (5.65b/IDA-1.4.3 for pine-info@cac.washington.edu); Mon, 8 Nov 93 16:52:12 -0600 Received: by cs1.bradley.edu (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA08457; Mon, 8 Nov 93 16:52:11 CST Date: Mon, 8 Nov 1993 16:51:31 -0600 (CST) From: Matt Simmons Subject: Re: PICO; justification; quit/discard confirm. To: Pine Mailing List In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Mon, 8 Nov 1993, Ken Weaverling wrote: > On Mon, 8 Nov 1993, Mike Ramey wrote: > > EXIT PROTOCOL: > > -------------- > > I just lost several hours work when trying to leave pico. > > When it asked "Save before leaving?", I had second thoughts > > (I actually wanted to continue editing) and replied 'n'. DAMN! > This has actually happened to me a few times. I am not sure that a > sequence of messages is desirable though. I hate stuff like this.... > Do you want to save? > Are you sure you don't want to save? > All of your changes will be lost, last chance. Do you want to save? > OK, you don't want to save, but are you sure you want to exit now? > Postive? > Cause idiots like me will just get used to hitting nnnyy out of habbit! > One possibility is to save it anyway in a 'last chance' file, sort of like > Pnews does. > Example: > Modified buffer: Save before leaving (y/n)? n > A copy of the file was saved to .lastchance in case you change your mind > And only, of course, have one copy. Next time they quit without saving, > .lastchance will be overwritten again. But what do you do if you're editting a Really Large File and have to worry about quotas? 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P. =) From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Nov 8 15:47:48 1993 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA02607; Mon, 8 Nov 93 15:47:48 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA11468; Mon, 8 Nov 93 15:37:23 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from [128.193.164.25] by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA11462; Mon, 8 Nov 93 15:37:19 -0800 Received: from mundania.CS.ORST.EDU by instruction.CS.ORST.EDU (1.37.109.4/1.35) id AA22386; Mon, 8 Nov 93 15:37:40 -0800 Received: by mundania.CS.ORST.EDU (1.37.109.4/CS-Client) id AA05447; Mon, 8 Nov 93 15:40:10 -0800 Date: Mon, 8 Nov 1993 15:35:48 -0700 (PDT) From: "Jason R. Thorpe" Subject: Login name replacement... To: PINE Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I'm asking this question for a friend...Please forgive me! :-) Anyway, this friend of mine (login: schilkk) wishes to have pine change the loginname in the from line from schilkk@cs.orst.edu to rat@cs.orst.edu. He knows how to change the domain to cs.orst.edu, but he wished to change the login as well. We thought, at first, to change the smtp-server variable to a script that took STDIN and replaces all instances of schilkk with rat, but apparently smtp-server is looking for a machine name, rather than a binary...(defaulting to 'sendmail' is what confused us, I guess...) Anyway, any help on this would be appreciated... (He wishes to do this since the login rat@cs.orst.edu is actually a mail alias that beames his mail to several locations automagically...) Later... ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Jason R. Thorpe | | 434 Weatherford Hall OSU Computer Science | thorpej@cs.orst.edu | Corvallis, OR 97331 Support Staff | | (503) 737-9533 From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Nov 8 15:48:01 1993 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA02624; Mon, 8 Nov 93 15:48:01 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA27502; Mon, 8 Nov 93 15:34:47 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from jove.acs.unt.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA27492; Mon, 8 Nov 93 15:34:41 -0800 Received: by jove.acs.unt.edu (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA26117; Mon, 8 Nov 93 17:32:49 CST Date: Mon, 8 Nov 1993 17:29:02 -0600 (CST) From: "Amos A. Gouaux" Subject: Re: PICO; justification; quit/discard confirm. To: Ken Weaverling Cc: David L Miller , Pine-Info Email List In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII > > We have been mulling over the possibility of adding an optional > > deleted-messages folder. Perhaps these messages should go there as > > well? > > One problem I see with this, we use pico as our default editor. Gets loaded > for lots of things, like when composing a message for Pnews or trn for > example. > > Maybe just an internal command to retrieve last unsaved message. Perhaps something like "pico -r" to recover the file specified, like with vi? That would probably be easier than an Emacs style recovery. Amos A. Gouaux Academic Computing Services amos@unt.edu UNIX and CUTCP University of North Texas 817/565-4898 Systems Support PO Box 13495, Denton, TX 76203 FAX at -4060 From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Nov 8 16:01:04 1993 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA03146; Mon, 8 Nov 93 16:01:04 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA27978; Mon, 8 Nov 93 15:49:32 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from sol.acs.unt.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA27972; Mon, 8 Nov 93 15:49:30 -0800 Received: by sol.acs.unt.edu (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA14743; Mon, 8 Nov 93 17:49:27 CST Date: Mon, 8 Nov 1993 17:45:51 -0600 (CST) From: "Amos A. Gouaux" Subject: Address books? To: pine-info Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Are there any plans for a system-wide address book? It would be nice if users could access both their private address book and a system-wide one. Sorry if this something that has already be hashed through. Amos A. Gouaux Academic Computing Services amos@unt.edu UNIX and CUTCP University of North Texas 817/565-4898 Systems Support PO Box 13495, Denton, TX 76203 FAX at -4060 From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Nov 8 16:01:07 1993 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA03148; Mon, 8 Nov 93 16:01:07 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA27968; Mon, 8 Nov 93 15:48:50 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from stein.u.washington.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA27960; Mon, 8 Nov 93 15:48:48 -0800 Received: by stein2.u.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA22570; Mon, 8 Nov 93 15:48:46 -0800 X-Sender: mramey@stein2.u.washington.edu Date: Mon, 8 Nov 1993 15:45:05 -0800 (PST) From: Mike Ramey Subject: Re: PICO; justification; quit/discard confirm. To: Pine-Info Email List In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII For me, it seems the intuitive thing is ... after I give the 'exit' command, 'n' should abort the immediately previous command (exit) That is, 'n' should abort exit and return to editing. I have started using ^O frequently during an edit session now! -mr > On Mon, 8 Nov 1993, David L Miller wrote: > > > We have been mulling over the possibility of adding an optional > > deleted-messages folder. Perhaps these messages should go there as > > well? From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Nov 8 16:13:03 1993 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA03562; Mon, 8 Nov 93 16:13:03 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA28122; Mon, 8 Nov 93 15:53:51 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from shiva1.cac.washington.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA28116; Mon, 8 Nov 93 15:53:50 -0800 Received: by shiva1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA03986; Mon, 8 Nov 93 15:53:43 -0800 Date: Mon, 8 Nov 1993 15:51:19 -0800 (PST) From: David L Miller Subject: Re: Login name replacement... To: "Jason R. Thorpe" Cc: PINE In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Pine does not have a way to do that on Unix. A future version of Pine will have support for the Reply-To header though... |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA On Mon, 8 Nov 1993, Jason R. Thorpe wrote: > I'm asking this question for a friend...Please forgive me! :-) > > Anyway, this friend of mine (login: schilkk) wishes to have pine change > the loginname in the from line from schilkk@cs.orst.edu to > rat@cs.orst.edu. He knows how to change the domain to cs.orst.edu, but > he wished to change the login as well. > > We thought, at first, to change the smtp-server variable to a script that > took STDIN and replaces all instances of schilkk with rat, but apparently > smtp-server is looking for a machine name, rather than a > binary...(defaulting to 'sendmail' is what confused us, I guess...) > > Anyway, any help on this would be appreciated... > > (He wishes to do this since the login rat@cs.orst.edu is actually a mail > alias that beames his mail to several locations automagically...) > > Later... > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Jason R. Thorpe | | 434 Weatherford Hall > OSU Computer Science | thorpej@cs.orst.edu | Corvallis, OR 97331 > Support Staff | | (503) 737-9533 > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Nov 8 16:22:01 1993 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA03935; Mon, 8 Nov 93 16:22:01 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA28464; Mon, 8 Nov 93 16:09:34 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from shiva1.cac.washington.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA28458; Mon, 8 Nov 93 16:09:32 -0800 Received: by shiva1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA04579; Mon, 8 Nov 93 16:09:28 -0800 Date: Mon, 8 Nov 1993 16:07:33 -0800 (PST) From: David L Miller Subject: Re: Address books? To: "Amos A. Gouaux" Cc: pine-info In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Yes!!! A future version of Pine will have support for system-wide addressbooks, as well as remote IMAP and IMSP addressbooks and probably X.500 directory services. |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA On Mon, 8 Nov 1993, Amos A. Gouaux wrote: > Are there any plans for a system-wide address book? It would be nice if > users could access both their private address book and a system-wide one. > Sorry if this something that has already be hashed through. > > Amos A. Gouaux Academic Computing Services amos@unt.edu > UNIX and CUTCP University of North Texas 817/565-4898 > Systems Support PO Box 13495, Denton, TX 76203 FAX at -4060 > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Nov 8 16:42:09 1993 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA04690; Mon, 8 Nov 93 16:42:09 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA28968; Mon, 8 Nov 93 16:27:50 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from shivafs.cac.washington.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA28956; Mon, 8 Nov 93 16:27:45 -0800 Received: from tbone.biol.scarolina.edu by shivafs.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA00826; Mon, 8 Nov 93 16:27:44 -0800 Received: by tbone.biol.scarolina.edu (4.1/SMI-4.1T3-2) id AA10772; Mon, 8 Nov 93 19:27:40 EST Date: Mon, 8 Nov 1993 19:21:30 -0500 (EST) From: Dean Pentcheff Subject: Re: PICO; justification; quit/discard confirm. To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Mon, 8 Nov 1993, Ken Weaverling wrote: > On Mon, 8 Nov 1993, Mike Ramey wrote: > > .... > > When it asked "Save before leaving?", I had second thoughts > > (I actually wanted to continue editing) and replied 'n'. DAMN! > .... > One possibility is to save it anyway in a 'last chance' file, sort of like > Pnews does. > Example: > Modified buffer: Save before leaving (y/n)? n > A copy of the file was saved to .lastchance in case you change your mind > And only, of course, have one copy. Next time they quit without saving, > .lastchance will be overwritten again. >.... I like this idea a lot! The flaw is that the user is quite likely to forget what the magic lastchance file is called. So, the next time pico (or pine in compose-mode) is started by that user, it should alert them to the existence of the backup file and ask if it should be recovered into the editor. It should do this even if the user has specified a filename on the command line, since they may not realize how the recover feature works. -Dean -- N. Dean Pentcheff Biological Sciences, Univ. of South Carolina, Columbia SC 29208 (803-777-8998) Internet addresses: pentcheff@pascal.acm.org or dean2@tbone.biol.scarolina.edu From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Nov 8 17:04:55 1993 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA05643; Mon, 8 Nov 93 17:04:55 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA29720; Mon, 8 Nov 93 16:53:07 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from shiva2.cac.washington.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA29714; Mon, 8 Nov 93 16:53:04 -0800 Received: by shiva2.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA05915; Mon, 8 Nov 93 16:52:59 -0800 Date: Mon, 8 Nov 1993 16:50:44 -0800 (PST) From: Terry Gray Subject: Re: Address books? To: David L Miller Cc: "Amos A. Gouaux" , pine-info In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Just to set expectations properly: -system-wide address books will probably happen before directory svcs; -x.500 has not yet been declared the winner in the d.s. sweepstakes... -teg On Mon, 8 Nov 1993, David L Miller wrote: > > Yes!!! A future version of Pine will have support for system-wide > addressbooks, as well as remote IMAP and IMSP addressbooks and > probably X.500 directory services. > > |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 > |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) > University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing > 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA > > On Mon, 8 Nov 1993, Amos A. Gouaux wrote: > > > Are there any plans for a system-wide address book? It would be nice if > > users could access both their private address book and a system-wide one. > > Sorry if this something that has already be hashed through. > > > > Amos A. Gouaux Academic Computing Services amos@unt.edu > > UNIX and CUTCP University of North Texas 817/565-4898 > > Systems Support PO Box 13495, Denton, TX 76203 FAX at -4060 > > > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Nov 8 17:26:04 1993 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA06513; Mon, 8 Nov 93 17:26:04 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA00409; Mon, 8 Nov 93 17:14:30 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from shiva1.cac.washington.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA00401; Mon, 8 Nov 93 17:14:28 -0800 Received: by shiva1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA05994; Mon, 8 Nov 93 17:14:22 -0800 Date: Mon, 8 Nov 1993 17:07:12 -0800 (PST) From: David L Miller Subject: Re: Saving Mail into other folders... To: Lord Highway of K'tara Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sorry about the delayed reply to this. The "From " line is simply the message separator for a particular mailbox format. It is very unwise to rely on this for anything else. In particular, for the pure IMAP case, the user has no control over or direct access to that line, if it even exists in the format the particular server is using. Hope this helps! --DLM |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA On Fri, 24 Sep 1993, Lord Highway of K'tara wrote: > > Okay... when I save incoming mail to other folders... it changes the > From field in the mail format... > > before: > > > From blah@blah.blah.edu > > Save to folder: > > > From highway@wam.umd.edu > > How do I change this or remedy this. > --------------------- [ National Service Fraternity ] ---------------------- > UU UU MM MM DDDDDD highway@wam.umd.edu EEEEEEE MM MM > UU UU MMM MMM DD DD "the snuggly, cuddly care bear" EE MMM MMM > UU UU MM M MM DD DD 124 Englefield Drive EEEEE MM M MM > UU UU MM MM DD DD Gaithersburg, MD 20878 EE MM MM > UUUUUUU MM MM DDDDDD (301) 948-5174 EEEEEEE MM MM > University of Maryland Internet: highway@wam.umd.edu Epsilon Mu > College Park Bitnet: tcwu@umdd.bitnet Alpha Phi Omega > ----------------- [ In Leadership, Friendship & Service ] ------------------ > {What is your name?} (Jean-Luc Picard.) > {What is your quest?} (To seek out new life and civilization.) > {What is the average warp speed of a bird of prey?} (Klingon or Romulan?) > {What? I don't know that??!?! AIIIIEEEEEEEEE!!!!} > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Nov 8 18:32:08 1993 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA07904; Mon, 8 Nov 93 18:32:08 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA01577; Mon, 8 Nov 93 18:22:24 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from RUTGERS.EDU by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA01571; Mon, 8 Nov 93 18:22:21 -0800 Received: from mimsy.UUCP by rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.5/3.08) with UUCP id AA22297; Mon, 8 Nov 93 21:04:58 EST Received: by mimsy.cs.UMD.EDU (5.64/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AA14273; Mon, 8 Nov 93 21:04:26 -0500 Received: from ghost.uunet.ca (via uunet.ca) by relay1.UU.NET with SMTP (5.61/UUNET-internet-primary) id AA02849; Mon, 8 Nov 93 19:14:52 -0500 Received: from moore by mail.uunet.ca with UUCP id <101034(4)>; Mon, 8 Nov 1993 19:14:40 -0500 Received: by moore.com (4.1/smail2.5/01-12-90) id AA11006; Mon, 8 Nov 93 19:12:42 EST Date: Mon, 8 Nov 1993 19:10:48 -0500 From: Paul Maclauchlan Subject: Re: Address books? To: "Amos A. Gouaux" Cc: Pine Info mailing list In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Mon, 8 Nov 1993, Amos A. Gouaux wrote: > Are there any plans for a system-wide address book? It would be nice if > users could access both their private address book and a system-wide one. I agree! To me this would be the most useful enhancement to the Pine *mailer*. News reading, MS Windows, endless folders and other stuff just isn't as important... to me anyway. -- .../Paul Maclauchlan Moore Corporation Limited, Toronto, Ontario (416) 364-2600 paul@moore.com -or- {...!uunet.ca,...!telly}!moore!paul "...take a sad song and make it better."/JL&PMcC'68 From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Nov 8 18:35:14 1993 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA08071; Mon, 8 Nov 93 18:35:14 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA12301; Mon, 8 Nov 93 18:21:49 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from vanbc.wimsey.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA12295; Mon, 8 Nov 93 18:21:44 -0800 Received: by vanbc.wimsey.com (Smail3.1.28.1) id m0owigS-0001jUC; Mon, 8 Nov 93 18:19 PST Received: from valiant.te.CdnAir.CA by jumbo1.CdnAir.CA with SMTP id AA00750 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Mon, 8 Nov 1993 16:55:13 -0800 Received: by valiant.te.CdnAir.CA (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA18716; Mon, 8 Nov 1993 16:58:44 -0800 Date: Mon, 8 Nov 1993 16:57:23 -0800 (PST) From: Grant Fengstad Subject: Re: Login name replacement... To: "Jason R. Thorpe" Cc: PINE In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Mon, 8 Nov 1993, Jason R. Thorpe wrote: > Anyway, this friend of mine (login: schilkk) wishes to have pine change > the loginname in the from line from schilkk@cs.orst.edu to > rat@cs.orst.edu. He knows how to change the domain to cs.orst.edu, but > he wished to change the login as well. > I do not believe that this would be possible in Pine. What your friend is looking for is Sendmail with the IDA enhancement kit. This version of Sendmail will allow him/her to define a translation table that will rewrite his address any way he wishes. ***************************************************************************** ___ Grant Fengstad, Canadi>n Airlines ___....-----'---`-----....___ 3600 Lysander Lane ========================================= Richmond, B.C. CANADA V7B 1C3 ___`---..._______...---'___ Email: G.Fengstad@CdnAir.CA (___) _|_|_|_ (___) Phone: (604)279-6053 \\____.-'_.---._`-.____// Live long and Prosper ~~~~`.__`---'__.'~~~~ ---------------------------------------- ~~~~~ Standard Disclaimers go here... ***************************************************************************** From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Nov 8 19:00:20 1993 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA08621; Mon, 8 Nov 93 19:00:20 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA12432; Mon, 8 Nov 93 18:51:41 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from log.css.itd.umich.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA12426; Mon, 8 Nov 93 18:51:39 -0800 Received: from stimpy.css.itd.umich.edu by css.itd.umich.edu (5.67/2.2) id AA15261; Mon, 8 Nov 93 21:51:37 -0500 Received: by stimpy.css.itd.umich.edu (5.67/dumb-1.0) id AA15495; Mon, 8 Nov 93 21:51:35 -0500 Date: Mon, 8 Nov 1993 21:48:53 -0500 (EST) From: Alex Tang Subject: Microsoft/MIME/ WAS: re: Trying to Configure Pine To: Mark Crispin Cc: Pine Info In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Mon, 8 Nov 1993, Mark Crispin wrote: > Personally, I recommend that you give serious consideration to abandoning > NeXTmail. It is a dead end. No other vendors support it, or to my knowledge > have any plans for future support, whereas many vendors support (or have > announced plans to support) MIME, including Microsoft. Hi folks, i was wonderinf if anyone could give me more information about Microsoft (and other LAN packages), supporting IMAP and/or MIME. Mr. Crispin hints here that Microsoft will. This could make for an interesting turn of events in mail. (How about Lotus?) thanx...alex... Alex Tang --- ALTITUDE@UMICH.EDU...USERW00Y@UMICHUM.BITNET -----------+ U of M, SNRE: Student and Computer Consultant II, PGP on req.| ITD/CSS Consultant, Short asian with long hair :) or finger | "it's kinda like getting your wisdom teeth out... You're glad you did it, but it wasn't much fun at the time. --my friend on her trip to Japan. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Nov 9 00:20:23 1993 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA14264; Tue, 9 Nov 93 00:20:23 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA05770; Mon, 8 Nov 93 23:45:27 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from uwavm.u.washington.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA05764; Mon, 8 Nov 93 23:45:25 -0800 Message-Id: <9311090745.AA05764@mx1.cac.washington.edu> Received: from UWAVM.U.WASHINGTON.EDU by UWAVM.U.WASHINGTON.EDU (IBM VM SMTP V2R1) with BSMTP id 1210; Mon, 08 Nov 93 23:44:42 PST Received: from ETSU.EAST-TENN-ST.EDU by UWAVM.U.WASHINGTON.EDU (Mailer R2.10 ptf008) with BSMTP id 1598; Mon, 08 Nov 93 23:44:41 PST Received: from ETSU.EAST-TENN-ST.EDU (NJE origin CMS2@ETSU) by ETSU.EAST-TENN-ST.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 7093; Tue, 9 Nov 1993 02:43:54 -0500 Date: Tue, 09 Nov 93 02:39:08 EST From: Bill Williams Organization: East Tennessee State University Subject: Re: problem running pico To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu In-Reply-To: Message of Mon, 8 Nov 1993 08:32:09 -0800 (PST) from On Mon, 8 Nov 1993 08:32:09 -0800 (PST) you said: > >The problem seems to be that some AIX systems have a rather limited >/etc/termcap database. One solution proposed by a number of people >is to recompile replacing "-ltermcap" with "-lcurses" in the >makefile.a32. ...stuff deleted... If I am remembering correctly you should *insert* the -lcurses in front of the -ltermcap instead of replacing it. Seems like there was something needed from the -ltermcap library, too. Now, if I could just eliminate the 'IOTrap...coredump' problem on AIX 3.2.3 I could use the binary I get with the above method instead of having to have a friend build it for me somewhere on a 3.2.4 system. --------------------------------------- Bill Williams -- ETSU Systems Support East Tennessee (615) 929-6853 State University From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Nov 9 00:57:29 1993 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA14905; Tue, 9 Nov 93 00:57:29 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA06405; Tue, 9 Nov 93 00:48:05 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rodan.rs.itd.umich.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA06399; Tue, 9 Nov 93 00:48:03 -0800 Received: from mothra.rs.itd.umich.edu by rodan.rs.itd.umich.edu (5.67/2.2) id AA22613; Tue, 9 Nov 93 03:39:13 -0500 Date: Tue, 9 Nov 1993 03:37:19 -0500 (EST) From: Benjamin Chuang Subject: Re: Microsoft/MIME/ WAS: re: Trying to Configure Pine To: Alex Tang Cc: Mark Crispin , Pine Info In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII According to some of the reports floating around at U of M, both Lotus and Microsoft have indicated that they will be adding MIME at some point. I have no idea of what the time frame would be... As for IMAP, I don't think that is in the cards, IMHO. Email Migration Project Documentation Team Benjamin Chuang, User Servcies, ITD, U of M Go West! On Mon, 8 Nov 1993, Alex Tang wrote: > Hi folks, i was wonderinf if anyone could give me more information about > Microsoft (and other LAN packages), supporting IMAP and/or MIME. Mr. Crispin > hints here that Microsoft will. This could make for an interesting turn of > events in mail. (How about Lotus?) > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Nov 9 03:08:44 1993 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA16934; Tue, 9 Nov 93 03:08:44 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA07510; Tue, 9 Nov 93 02:58:34 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from dir.bris.ac.uk by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA07504; Tue, 9 Nov 93 02:58:31 -0800 Received: from adm1.bristol.ac.uk by dir.bris.ac.uk with SMTP (PP) id <27468-0@dir.bris.ac.uk>; Tue, 9 Nov 1993 10:57:55 +0000 Date: Tue, 9 Nov 1993 10:36:54 +0000 (GMT) From: Dave King Reply-To: Dave King Subject: Re: Login name replacement... To: PINE In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII When Reply-To: support is added to Pine, it would be very useful if the feature whereby Pine puts a "+" next to a message in the index, could be enhanced to recognise the user's Reply-To: variable, and consequently make the operation of "+" more useful. Dave ------------------------------------------------------------------- Dave King, Admin. Computing Services Manager, University of Bristol Dave.King@uk.ac.Bristol (JANET) Dave.King@Bristol.ac.uk (INTERNET) On Mon, 8 Nov 1993, David L Miller wrote: > > Pine does not have a way to do that on Unix. A future version of > Pine will have support for the Reply-To header though... > > |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 > |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) > University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing > 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA [ Rest of thread deleted ... ] From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Nov 9 04:21:27 1993 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA18319; Tue, 9 Nov 93 04:21:27 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA08172; Tue, 9 Nov 93 04:11:15 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from snow.csi.cam.ac.uk by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA08162; Tue, 9 Nov 93 04:11:08 -0800 Received: from quinag.csi.cam.ac.uk by ppsw2.cam.ac.uk with SMTP-CAM (PP-6.0) as ppsw.cam.ac.uk id <13052-0@ppsw2.cam.ac.uk>; Tue, 9 Nov 1993 12:10:27 +0000 Date: Tue, 9 Nov 1993 12:08:17 GMT From: Barry Landy Subject: Re: Pine (3.87) via terminal server connections To: Oved Ben-Aroya Cc: David L Miller , PINE INFO X-Sender: bl10@cus.cam.ac.uk In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Mon, 8 Nov 1993, Oved Ben-Aroya wrote: > > Some terminal servers transtale ^C to break in their telnet. This causes > grief to our users when they try to cancel a message in compose mode. > This problem is by no means restricted to ^-C; we are using LWP (on our Novell network) which uses ^-O to send "client system break", this inhibiting the "postpone" function. ======================================================================= Barry Landy, Head of Systems and Development, University of Cambridge Computing Service Barry.Landy@ucs.cam.ac.uk 0223-334713 +44-223-334713 From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Nov 9 06:09:41 1993 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA19492; Tue, 9 Nov 93 06:09:41 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA14843; Tue, 9 Nov 93 05:54:20 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from ibm4.ruf.uni-freiburg.de by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA14837; Tue, 9 Nov 93 05:54:17 -0800 Received: by ibm4.ruf.uni-freiburg.de (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA26406; Tue, 9 Nov 1993 14:54:06 +0100 Date: Tue, 9 Nov 1993 14:47:43 +0100 (MEZ) From: Guenter Mueller Subject: Pine can't create Mailboxfiles To: pine-l Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hello, I have made a system wide pine.conf file which forces the users to the mail-directory Mail (with big M) for compatibility with elm. Now, when a new user invokes pine who hasn't used elm before, pine can't create the necessary folders. I think, this is a bug or isn't it??? Kind Regards Guenter P.S.: I'm using PINE 3.87 Guenter Mueller gmueller@ibm4.ruf.uni-freiburg.de Phone: +49 761 203 -4622 University of Freiburg - Computing Center FAX: -4643 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> New Phone and FAX Numbers since 10.10.93 <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Nov 9 08:39:32 1993 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA22605; Tue, 9 Nov 93 08:39:32 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA10592; Tue, 9 Nov 93 08:19:04 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from shiva1.cac.washington.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA10583; Tue, 9 Nov 93 08:19:02 -0800 Received: by shiva1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA13158; Tue, 9 Nov 93 08:18:55 -0800 Date: Tue, 9 Nov 1993 08:09:53 -0800 (PST) From: David L Miller Subject: Re: problem running pico To: Bill Williams Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu In-Reply-To: <9311090745.AA05764@mx1.cac.washington.edu> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I won't claim to be an AIXpert, but as far as I can tell, libcurses.a is a strict superset of libtermcap.a, at least as far as Pine is concerned. The AIX system I have been testing on is running AIX 3.2.3, though I wouldn't vouch for a vanilla installation, and it does not have any problem with Pine. If you could send me a stack trace from a coredump, I'll see if I can spot anything. |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA On Tue, 9 Nov 1993, Bill Williams wrote: > On Mon, 8 Nov 1993 08:32:09 -0800 (PST) you said: > > > >The problem seems to be that some AIX systems have a rather limited > >/etc/termcap database. One solution proposed by a number of people > >is to recompile replacing "-ltermcap" with "-lcurses" in the > >makefile.a32. ...stuff deleted... > > If I am remembering correctly you should *insert* the -lcurses in front > of the -ltermcap instead of replacing it. Seems like there was > something needed from the -ltermcap library, too. > > Now, if I could just eliminate the 'IOTrap...coredump' problem on AIX > 3.2.3 I could use the binary I get with the above method instead of > having to have a friend build it for me somewhere on a 3.2.4 system. > > --------------------------------------- > Bill Williams -- ETSU Systems Support > East > Tennessee (615) 929-6853 > State > University From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Nov 9 12:28:20 1993 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA00387; Tue, 9 Nov 93 12:28:20 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA16952; Tue, 9 Nov 93 12:05:51 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from relay1.UU.NET by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA16928; Tue, 9 Nov 93 12:04:47 -0800 Received: from spool.uu.net (via LOCALHOST) by relay1.UU.NET with SMTP (5.61/UUNET-internet-primary) id AB11115; Tue, 9 Nov 93 15:04:38 -0500 Received: from racerx.UUCP by uucp6.uu.net with UUCP/RMAIL (queueing-rmail) id 150325.22510; Tue, 9 Nov 1993 15:03:25 EST Received: from ernie.noname by racerx (4.1/SMI-4.0) id AA01962; Tue, 9 Nov 93 13:52:24 CST Date: Tue, 9 Nov 93 13:52:24 CST From: ken@bridge.COM (Ken Hardy) Message-Id: <9311091952.AA01962@racerx> To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: Microsoft/MIME/ WAS: re: Trying to Configure Pine > Hi folks, i was wonderinf if anyone could give me more information about > Microsoft (and other LAN packages), supporting IMAP and/or MIME. Mr. Crispin I'd received in the past some information about a cc:Mail <--> SMTP gateway that automatically converts cc:Mail attachments to/from MIME. I've no experience with this product as, unfortunately, we're using a less ambition gateway. This is no the same as native support, but helps. I don't recall the product. I read in some industry rag that the next major release of cc:Mail will include native MIME support. Sorry, cannot recall the reference. I do recall that it was not expected for quite some time. -KH From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Nov 9 13:16:56 1993 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA01986; Tue, 9 Nov 93 13:16:56 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA16466; Tue, 9 Nov 93 12:46:52 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from unhh.unh.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA16460; Tue, 9 Nov 93 12:46:48 -0800 Date: Tue, 9 Nov 1993 15:46:24 -0500 (EST) From: J_CERNY@UNHH.UNH.EDU Message-Id: <931109154624.20e56f13@UNHH.UNH.EDU> Subject: Can we turn off use of sent mail folder? To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu X-Vmsmail-To: SMTP%"pine-info@cac.washington.edu" I remember there was a discussion about two months ago about people going over quota because of the sent mail folder. But I don't remember if this question was addressed at the time -- Can we turn off use of the sent mail folder? I did not see a place in .pinerc or pine.conf to do this but I have the nagging feeling it ought to be possible. Jim Cerny, Computing and Information Services, Univ.N.H. jim.cerny@unh.edu From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Nov 9 13:49:29 1993 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA02962; Tue, 9 Nov 93 13:49:29 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA17147; Tue, 9 Nov 93 13:24:15 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from shiva1.cac.washington.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA17139; Tue, 9 Nov 93 13:24:06 -0800 Received: by shiva1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA20078; Tue, 9 Nov 93 13:23:50 -0800 Date: Tue, 9 Nov 1993 13:21:34 -0800 (PST) From: David L Miller Subject: Re: Can we turn off use of sent mail folder? To: J_CERNY@UNHH.UNH.EDU Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu In-Reply-To: <931109154624.20e56f13@UNHH.UNH.EDU> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Just use default-fcc="" |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA On Tue, 9 Nov 1993 J_CERNY@UNHH.UNH.EDU wrote: > I remember there was a discussion about two months ago about > people going over quota because of the sent mail folder. But > I don't remember if this question was addressed at the time -- > > Can we turn off use of the sent mail folder? I did not see > a place in .pinerc or pine.conf to do this but I have the > nagging feeling it ought to be possible. > > Jim Cerny, Computing and Information Services, Univ.N.H. > jim.cerny@unh.edu From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Nov 9 13:54:50 1993 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA03222; Tue, 9 Nov 93 13:54:50 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA17191; Tue, 9 Nov 93 13:25:26 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from coat.coat.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA17180; Tue, 9 Nov 93 13:25:17 -0800 Received: from janus.coat.com by coat.coat.com (4.1/SMI-4.0) id AA14923; Tue, 9 Nov 93 16:25:15 EST Received: by janus.coat.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA19884; Tue, 9 Nov 93 16:25:11 EST Message-Id: <9311092125.AA19884@janus.coat.com> From: andyb@janus.coat.com (Andy Behrens) Date: Tue, 9 Nov 1993 16:25:09 -0500 Organization: Burlington Coat Factory Reply-To: Andy.Behrens@coat.com X-Mailer: Mail User's Shell (7.2.4 2/2/92) To: Paul Maclauchlan , "Amos A. Gouaux" Subject: Re: Address books? Cc: Pine Info mailing list Paul Maclauchlan wrote: > > Are there any plans for a system-wide address book? It would be nice if > > users could access both their private address book and a system-wide one. > > I agree! To me this would be the most useful enhancement to the Pine > *mailer*. News reading, MS Windows, endless folders and other stuff just > isn't as important... to me anyway. Let me add my vote -- this is number one on our request list too. Andy Burlington Coat Factory, Schoolhouse Lane, Etna, N.H. 03750 (603) 643-2800 From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Nov 9 14:29:44 1993 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA03956; Tue, 9 Nov 93 14:29:44 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA18130; Tue, 9 Nov 93 14:11:57 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from Krypton.Mankato.MSUS.EDU by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA18124; Tue, 9 Nov 93 14:11:53 -0800 Received: by krypton.mankato.msus.edu (5.65/DEC-Ultrix/4.3) id AA14791; Tue, 9 Nov 1993 16:13:13 -0600 Date: Tue, 9 Nov 1993 16:12:00 -0600 (CST) From: "Robert A. Hayden" Subject: Re: Can we turn off use of sent mail folder? To: J_CERNY@UNHH.UNH.EDU Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu In-Reply-To: <931109154624.20e56f13@UNHH.UNH.EDU> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Tue, 9 Nov 1993 J_CERNY@UNHH.UNH.EDU wrote: > Can we turn off use of the sent mail folder? I did not see > a place in .pinerc or pine.conf to do this but I have the > nagging feeling it ought to be possible. FROM THE .pinerc FILE: # The default folder where a copy of outgoing mail is saved default-fcc=sent-mail Leave it blank and you will be good to go. ____ Robert A. Hayden <=> hayden@krypton.mankato.msus.edu \ /__ -=-=-=-=- <=> -=-=-=-=- \/ / Finger for Geek Code Info <=> Veteran of the Bermuda Triangle \/ Finger for PGP 2.3a Public Key <=> Expeditionary Force -- 1993-1951 -=-=-=-=-=-=-=- (GEEK CODE 1.0.1) GAT d- -p+(---) c++(++++) l++ u++ e+/* m++(*)@ s-/++ n-(---) h+(*) f+ g+ w++ t++ r++ y+(*) From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Nov 9 17:52:47 1993 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA11102; Tue, 9 Nov 93 17:52:47 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA19067; Tue, 9 Nov 93 17:34:50 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from xanth.CS.ORST.EDU by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA19061; Tue, 9 Nov 93 17:34:47 -0800 Received: from mundania.CS.ORST.EDU by instruction.CS.ORST.EDU (1.37.109.4/1.35) id AA23617; Tue, 9 Nov 93 17:35:09 -0800 Received: by mundania.CS.ORST.EDU (1.37.109.4/CS-Client) id AA26339; Tue, 9 Nov 93 15:14:12 -0800 Date: Tue, 9 Nov 1993 15:13:05 -0700 (PDT) From: "Jason R. Thorpe" Subject: Re: Can we turn off use of sent mail folder? To: J_CERNY@UNHH.UNH.EDU Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu In-Reply-To: <931109154624.20e56f13@UNHH.UNH.EDU> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Tue, 9 Nov 1993 J_CERNY@UNHH.UNH.EDU wrote: > I remember there was a discussion about two months ago about > people going over quota because of the sent mail folder. But > I don't remember if this question was addressed at the time -- > > Can we turn off use of the sent mail folder? I did not see > a place in .pinerc or pine.conf to do this but I have the > nagging feeling it ought to be possible. I think all you have to do is set the default-fcc="" (maybe?) I know it's possible... Later... ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Jason R. Thorpe | 'All standard...' | 434 Weatherford Hall OSU Computer Science | thorpej@cs.orst.edu | Corvallis, OR 97331 Support Staff | '...disclaimers apply.' | (503) 737-9533 From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Nov 9 22:14:29 1993 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA14507; Tue, 9 Nov 93 22:14:29 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA20083; Tue, 9 Nov 93 21:59:57 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from pellns.ALLEG.EDU by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA20077; Tue, 9 Nov 93 21:59:55 -0800 Received: from redbaron by alleg.EDU (NX5.67d/NX3.0M) id AA28770; Wed, 10 Nov 93 00:59:53 -0500 From: Aaron Herskowitz Message-Id: <9311100559.AA28770@alleg.EDU> Received: by redbaron.alleg.edu (NX5.67d/NX3.0X) id AA17914; Wed, 10 Nov 93 00:59:52 -0500 Date: Wed, 10 Nov 93 00:59:52 -0500 Received: by NeXT.Mailer (1.95) Received: by NeXT Mailer (1.95) To: Pine Info Subject: Trying to Configure Pine Reply-To: aherskow@alleg.EDU Thanks to Mark for his comments and explanations. I hope that everyone didn't interpret my enthusiasm for NeXTSTEP as a monogamous operating system stance - we have platforms running Ultrix, HP-UX, SunOS, MS-DOS, Mac. We are realistic about other OSs, we just think that the NeXTSTEP environment currently suits *our* user's needs (in both software development and ease of use) even if it isn't anywhere near widely accepted. I can understand the Pine programmers not supporting NeXTmail; I wouldn't expect that. But I was wondering if any Pine users had taken it upon themselves to write something for Pine that can read/send in the NeXTmail proprietary format. I guess I can assume that there aren't too many NeXT users on this list :-) I would still like to know if any of my problems that are not totally NeXT related can be solved: 1. if /usr/spool/mail/username doesn't exist, Pine complains and refuses to open the INBOX (understandable since it isn't there.) Even if new mail arrives to /usr/spool/mail/username, the user will not be notified since the INBOX folder is not open. I realize that the cause of this is created by the NeXT GUI mail application, but is there a simple work-around? 2. does a hostname need to contain the domain name to enable full name expansion in the addressable fields? If I set "user-domain" in pine.conf, full name expansion doesn't work. Thanks again, Aaron --- Aaron Herskowitz [NeXTmail and MIME Welcomed] E-Mail: aherskow@alleg.edu Academic Systems Manager, Technical and Network Services Voice: (814)332-2755 Allegheny College, Meadville, Pennsylvania Fax: (814)333-9699 From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Nov 10 01:19:05 1993 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA16702; Wed, 10 Nov 93 01:19:05 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA20740; Wed, 10 Nov 93 01:07:12 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from ibm4.ruf.uni-freiburg.de by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA20734; Wed, 10 Nov 93 01:07:08 -0800 Received: by ibm4.ruf.uni-freiburg.de (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA25195; Wed, 10 Nov 1993 10:07:00 +0100 Date: Wed, 10 Nov 1993 10:01:16 +0100 (MEZ) From: Guenter Mueller Subject: compiling pine3.87 on RS6000 To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hello, in order to compile this package on aix 3.2.4 with build a32 I have to add an include statement to pine3.87/c-client/os_a32.c #include I think, it is easy to add this statement in the distribution. BTW, there was the same behavior in 3.85 Kind Regards Guenter Guenter Mueller gmueller@ibm4.ruf.uni-freiburg.de Phone: +49 761 203 -4622 University of Freiburg - Computing Center FAX: -4643 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> New Phone and FAX Numbers since 10.10.93 <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Nov 10 02:28:28 1993 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA17554; Wed, 10 Nov 93 02:28:28 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA20955; Wed, 10 Nov 93 02:16:15 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from dutw1.wbmt.tudelft.nl by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA20949; Wed, 10 Nov 93 02:16:12 -0800 Received: by dutw1.wbmt.tudelft.nl id AA00927 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for Pine-Info@cac.Washington.edu); Wed, 10 Nov 1993 11:15:28 +0100 Date: Wed, 10 Nov 1993 10:42:58 +0100 (MET) From: Tjeerd Jongeling Subject: Addrb.-sort and pine.hlp To: "Univ.Wash. Pine Info List" Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII L.S. I have 2 items on my wish-slip: 1. I would like to sort my (user's) Addressbooks on the first (nick-name) column (in Unix- and PC-Pine as well). 2. I should prefer a small-as-possible pine.hlp, i think some information in it could be placed in (one or more) separated readme-file(s) such as: If ^C Doesn't Work on a Mac / What is MIME / History and Origin of Pine / Pine x.x update / Pine contributors / Copyright notice ... With kind regards, Tjeerd Jongeling (System Manager) Delft University of Technology Faculty of Mechanical Engineering and Marine Technology From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Nov 10 06:23:08 1993 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA21056; Wed, 10 Nov 93 06:23:08 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA28606; Wed, 10 Nov 93 06:02:03 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from sol.acs.unt.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA28600; Wed, 10 Nov 93 06:02:00 -0800 Received: by sol.acs.unt.edu (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA15292; Wed, 10 Nov 93 08:01:58 CST Date: Wed, 10 Nov 1993 07:49:52 -0600 (CST) From: "Amos A. Gouaux" Subject: pine & xterm To: pine-info Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Does anybody else experience core files when using the following command? % xterm -e pine & After I quit pine, I find that pine left a core file. I'm using 3.87 but have noticed it before with previous versions too. Amos A. Gouaux Academic Computing Services amos@unt.edu UNIX and CUTCP University of North Texas 817/565-4898 Systems Support PO Box 13495, Denton, TX 76203 FAX at -4060 From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Nov 10 10:24:11 1993 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA27923; Wed, 10 Nov 93 10:24:11 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA02793; Wed, 10 Nov 93 10:02:26 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from shiva1.cac.washington.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA02787; Wed, 10 Nov 93 10:02:25 -0800 Received: by shiva1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA05924; Wed, 10 Nov 93 10:02:14 -0800 Date: Wed, 10 Nov 1993 09:54:45 -0800 (PST) From: David L Miller Subject: Re: Keyboard locking in 3.87 To: Ken Weaverling Cc: Pine Mailing List In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Actually, the keyboard locking was changed to avoid having to code for the myriad of shadow password schemes we would have to deal with otherwise. Likewise, the disk space usage is impossible to determine when folders are mounted remotely via IMAP so we decided to take the path of least confusion... Thanks for the report and sorry for the late reply! --DLM |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA On Wed, 20 Oct 1993, Ken Weaverling wrote: > Unfortunately, I personally wish the login password was still used for > keyboard locking instead of asking the user to type the password in. I > have already had someone forget the password they used. I guess this is > to eventually make it compatible with DOS platform, but I hate bringing > this to the lowest common denominator. > > At least, if you have to have users enter the password, have them do it > twice to check for typos. (Of course, maybe they will just enter it once > and leave, which will basically make the computer not secure if it is left > prompting for confirmation of password.) > > I also miss the screen showing disk space used, mail space used, and quota > information. I did modify the sources to show percentage of quota used > when they start up pine, instead of just displaying when they go above the > soft limit. > > (This is all on DG/UX, which can have a hard quota (cpd) but no idea of a > soft quota anyway). > > > Ken Weaverling weave@dtcc.edu > Manager of Computer Services > Stanton/Wilmington Campuses of > Delaware Technical & Community College > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Nov 10 11:02:18 1993 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA29579; Wed, 10 Nov 93 11:02:18 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA23227; Wed, 10 Nov 93 10:44:33 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from ibm4.ruf.uni-freiburg.de by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA23221; Wed, 10 Nov 93 10:44:28 -0800 Received: by ibm4.ruf.uni-freiburg.de (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA24485; Wed, 10 Nov 1993 19:44:20 +0100 Date: Wed, 10 Nov 1993 19:22:03 +0100 (MEZ) From: Guenter Mueller Subject: OFFER: scripts to convert alias-files To: pine-l Cc: Martin Walter Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: MULTIPART/MIXED; BOUNDARY="-2065301175-143302914-752957059:#28914" ---2065301175-143302914-752957059:#28914 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hello, the last few weeks we have made pine public available to our users. I have created a few scripts to help them to convert their alias files. They are written quick and dirty for AIX 3.2.4. The functions used in awk are available in nawk on the sun platform. Maybe you can put them into the distribution... Kind Regards Guenter Guenter Mueller gmueller@ibm4.ruf.uni-freiburg.de Phone: +49 761 203 -4622 University of Freiburg - Computing Center FAX: -4643 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> New Phone and FAX Numbers since 10.10.93 <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< ---2065301175-143302914-752957059:#28914 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; name=aliases_pine2unix Content-Transfer-Encoding: BASE64 Content-ID: Content-Description: IyEgL2Jpbi9zaCAtCiMgY29udmVydHMgZnJvbSBwaW5lLWFkcmVzc2Jvb2sg dG8gdW5peCAubWFpbHJjCiMKYXdrIC1GIlx0IiAnIHsKICAgIG5pY2s9JDEK ICAgIG5hbWU9JDIKICAgIHN1YigiLCIsIjsiLG5hbWUpCiAgICBuPWluZGV4 KCQzLCIsIikKICAgIGFkZHI9JDMKICAgIGlmKG4pIHsKICAgICAgICB3aGls ZSAoc3Vic3RyKGFkZHIsbGVuZ3RoKGFkZHIpKT09IiwiKXsKICAgICAgICAg ICAgRlM9IiAiCiAgICAgICAgICAgIGdldGxpbmUKICAgICAgICAgICAgYWRk cj1hZGRyICQxCiAgICAgICAgICAgIEZTPSJcdCIKICAgICAgICAgICAgfQog ICAgICAgIGdzdWIoIlsoKV0iLCIiLGFkZHIpCiAgICAgICAgZ3N1YigiWyxd IiwiICIsYWRkcikKICAgICAgICB9CiAgcHJpbnQgImFsaWFzICAibmljayIg ImFkZHIKfQonICRIT01FLy5hZGRyZXNzYm9vawo= ---2065301175-143302914-752957059:#28914 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; name=aliases_unix2pine Content-Transfer-Encoding: BASE64 Content-ID: Content-Description: IyEgL2Jpbi9zaCAtCiMgY29udmVydHMgZnJvbSB1bml4LWFsaWFzaW5nIHRv IHBpbmUtYWRyZXNzYm9vawojCmF3ayAnIHsKICAgIGlmKCQxICE9ICJhbGlh cyIpIGNvbnRpbnVlCiAgICBuYW1lPSQyCiAgICBhZGRyPSQzCiAgICBpZihO RiA+IDMpIHsKICAgICAgICBmb3IgKGk9NDtpPD1ORjtpKyspewogICAgICAg ICAgICBhZGRyPWFkZHIiLCIkaQogICAgICAgICAgICB9CiAgICAgICAgYWRk cj0gIigiYWRkciIpIgogICAgICAgIH0KICAgcHJpbnQgbmFtZSJcdFx0ImFk ZHIKfQonICRIT01FLy5tYWlscmMK ---2065301175-143302914-752957059:#28914 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; name=aliases_elm2pine Content-Transfer-Encoding: BASE64 Content-ID: Content-Description: IyEgL2Jpbi9zaCAtCiMgY29udmVydHMgZnJvbSBlbG0tYWxpYXNpbmcgdG8g cGluZS1hZHJlc3Nib29rCiMKYXdrIC1GIj0iICcgewogICAgbmFtZT0kMgog ICAgc3ViKCI7IiwiLCIsbmFtZSkKICAgIG49aW5kZXgoJDMsIiwiKQogICAg YWRkcj0kMwogICAgaWYobikgewogICAgICAgIGFkZHI9ICIoImFkZHIiKSIK ICAgICAgICB9CiAgIHByaW50ICQxIlx0Im5hbWUiXHQiYWRkcgp9CicgJEhP TUUvLmVsbS9hbGlhc2VzLnRleHQ= ---2065301175-143302914-752957059:#28914 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; name=aliases_pine2elm Content-Transfer-Encoding: BASE64 Content-ID: Content-Description: IyEgL2Jpbi9zaCAtCiMgY29udmVydHMgZnJvbSBlbG0tYWxpYXNpbmcgdG8g cGluZS1hZHJlc3Nib29rCiMKYXdrIC1GIlx0IiAnIHsKICAgIG5pY2s9JDEK ICAgIG5hbWU9JDIKICAgIHN1YigiLCIsIjsiLG5hbWUpCiAgICBuPWluZGV4 KCQzLCIsIikKICAgIGFkZHI9JDMKICAgIGlmKG4pIHsKICAgICAgICB3aGls ZSAoc3Vic3RyKGFkZHIsbGVuZ3RoKGFkZHIpKT09IiwiKXsKICAgICAgICAg ICAgRlM9IiAiCiAgICAgICAgICAgIGdldGxpbmUKICAgICAgICAgICAgYWRk cj1hZGRyICQxCiAgICAgICAgICAgIEZTPSJcdCIKICAgICAgICAgICAgfQog ICAgICAgIGdzdWIoIlsoKV0iLCIiLGFkZHIpCiAgICAgICAgfQogIHByaW50 IG5pY2siID0gIm5hbWUiID0gImFkZHIKfQonICRIT01FLy5hZGRyZXNzYm9v awo= ---2065301175-143302914-752957059:#28914-- From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Nov 10 11:29:07 1993 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA00944; Wed, 10 Nov 93 11:29:07 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA04288; Wed, 10 Nov 93 11:14:33 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA04282; Wed, 10 Nov 93 11:14:31 -0800 Received: from jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu ([128.220.2.5]) by jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu with SMTP id <73666-3>; Wed, 10 Nov 1993 14:14:23 -0500 Date: Wed, 10 Nov 1993 13:58:42 -0500 From: Andy Poling Subject: troubles with rimapd attempts in latest pine To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Cc: Douglas W O'Neal , Andy Poling , Matthew Trieb Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII We are running into problems with the automatic attempt to use rimapd in the new versions of pine. Here's the problem: User starts up PINE to our mail server. Rsh et al are not allowed to this machine (using method similar to tcp_wrapper). Some O/S's rsh client do not handle this situation well - they hang when the original TCP connection is accepted but then shutdown and the return connection (for stderr) is not established. They hang forever. The user can't get to their mail. This happens with clients running Ultrix 4.3, SunOS 4, Solaris, Risc/OS and AIX (at least, so far). In fact, the only client that will work so far is running Irix. Perhaps it was not a good idea to take this automatic rimapd approach, considering modern security awareness... -Andy Andy Poling Internet: andy@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu UNIX Systems Programmer Bitnet: ANDY@JHUNIX Homewood Academic Computing Voice: (410)516-8096 Johns Hopkins University UUCP: uunet!mimsy!aplcen!jhunix!andy From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Nov 10 12:20:03 1993 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA02980; Wed, 10 Nov 93 12:20:03 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA05032; Wed, 10 Nov 93 11:57:00 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from usc.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA05025; Wed, 10 Nov 93 11:56:57 -0800 Received: from Law.USC.EDU by usc.edu (4.1/SMI-3.0DEV3-USC+3.1) id AA00629; Wed, 10 Nov 93 11:56:57 PST Received: from hal.Law.USC.EDU by Law.USC.EDU (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA25290; Wed, 10 Nov 93 11:56:54 PST Received: by hal.Law.USC.EDU (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA02618; Wed, 10 Nov 93 11:56:53 PST Date: Wed, 10 Nov 1993 11:52:34 -0800 (PST) From: Elmar Kurgpold Subject: Re: Keyboard locking in 3.87 To: David L Miller Cc: Ken Weaverling , Pine Mailing List In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII David, what is the status of the keyboard locking in 3.88? Have you changed it so the user types it in twice, or uses the system password in some way? Or are you saying that it *was* changed in 3.87? Sorry, I don't remember how it worked in previous versions. However, something is seriously wrong with the way it works now, that is the user hits "K" and types any password and the keyboard is locked. I have had several calls where the user didn't even realize they hit K, and inadvertantly locked their terminal. I hope it is not a big problem for you folks to change this function. ------------------------------------- | Elmar Kurgpold | | Network Administrator | | University of Southern California | | The Law Center | | ekurgpol@Law.USC.EDU | | (213)740-2571 FAX: (213)740-5502 | ------------------------------------- On Wed, 10 Nov 1993, David L Miller wrote: > > Actually, the keyboard locking was changed to avoid having to code for > the myriad of shadow password schemes we would have to deal with > otherwise. Likewise, the disk space usage is impossible to determine > when folders are mounted remotely via IMAP so we decided to take the path > of least confusion... > > Thanks for the report and sorry for the late reply! > > --DLM > > |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 > |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) > University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing > 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA > > On Wed, 20 Oct 1993, Ken Weaverling wrote: > > > Unfortunately, I personally wish the login password was still used for > > keyboard locking instead of asking the user to type the password in. I > > have already had someone forget the password they used. I guess this is > > to eventually make it compatible with DOS platform, but I hate bringing > > this to the lowest common denominator. > > > > At least, if you have to have users enter the password, have them do it > > twice to check for typos. (Of course, maybe they will just enter it once > > and leave, which will basically make the computer not secure if it is left > > prompting for confirmation of password.) > > > > I also miss the screen showing disk space used, mail space used, and quota > > information. I did modify the sources to show percentage of quota used > > when they start up pine, instead of just displaying when they go above the > > soft limit. > > > > (This is all on DG/UX, which can have a hard quota (cpd) but no idea of a > > soft quota anyway). > > > > > > Ken Weaverling weave@dtcc.edu > > Manager of Computer Services > > Stanton/Wilmington Campuses of > > Delaware Technical & Community College > > > > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Nov 10 12:52:44 1993 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA03671; Wed, 10 Nov 93 12:52:44 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA05306; Wed, 10 Nov 93 12:07:28 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from nico.aarnet.edu.au by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA05298; Wed, 10 Nov 93 12:07:14 -0800 Received: from cruskit.aarnet.edu.au (cruskit.aarnet.edu.au [139.130.204.2]) by nico.aarnet.edu.au (8.6.4/8.6.4) with ESMTP id HAA02192; Thu, 11 Nov 1993 07:07:02 +1100 Received: from localhost (asjl@localhost) by cruskit.aarnet.edu.au (8.6.4/1.2) id HAA10044; Thu, 11 Nov 1993 07:07:10 +1100 Date: Thu, 11 Nov 1993 07:02:46 +1100 (EST) From: Andy Linton Subject: Re: pine & xterm To: "Amos A. Gouaux" Cc: pine-info In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 10 Nov 1993, Amos A. Gouaux wrote: > Does anybody else experience core files when using the following command? > > % xterm -e pine & > > After I quit pine, I find that pine left a core file. I'm using 3.87 but > have noticed it before with previous versions too. > I had this problem. I solved it with this script: #!/bin/sh pine $* sleep 1 I called it 'mypine' and then I use: xterm -e mypine & -- Andy Linton A.Linton@aarnet.edu.au Network Engineer phone: +61 6 249 2874 AARNet fax: +61 6 249 1369 -- From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Nov 10 13:17:37 1993 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA04516; Wed, 10 Nov 93 13:17:37 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA05157; Wed, 10 Nov 93 12:03:08 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from scapa.cs.ualberta.ca by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA05151; Wed, 10 Nov 93 12:03:05 -0800 Received: from isagate by scapa.cs.ualberta.ca with UUCP id <18748-1>; Wed, 10 Nov 1993 13:00:31 -0700 Received: by isagate.edm.isac.ca (/\==/\ Smail3.1.20.1 #20.1) id ; Tue, 9 Nov 93 17:29 MST Received: from isa486-1 by isasun-1.edm.isac.ca with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #1) id m0owvwJ-000cy1C; Tue, 9 Nov 93 09:29 MST Date: Tue, 9 Nov 1993 08:29:02 -0700 From: Steve Hole Subject: Re: Microsoft/MIME/ WAS: re: Trying to Configure Pine To: Alex Tang Cc: Mark Crispin , Pine Info Message-Id: Priority: Normal Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII On Mon, 8 Nov 1993 19:48:53 -0700 Alex Tang wrote: > From: Alex Tang > Date: Mon, 8 Nov 1993 19:48:53 -0700 > Subject: Microsoft/MIME/ WAS: re: Trying to Configure Pine > To: Mark Crispin > Cc: Pine Info > > On Mon, 8 Nov 1993, Mark Crispin wrote: > > Hi folks, i was wonderinf if anyone could give me more information about > Microsoft (and other LAN packages), supporting IMAP and/or MIME. Mr. Crispin > hints here that Microsoft will. This could make for an interesting turn of > events in mail. (How about Lotus?) I just spent a week at the Email World conference at which I talked with some of the engineers in Microsoft. At this time they have not even started adding MIME support to their gateway products. They indicated that they did not have any plans to support MIME as the native message format for Microsoft Mail messages. They do have a plan to support X.400 message formats at some point in the future. Cheers. -- Steve Hole Director of Research and Communications ISA Corporation mail: Steve.Hole@Edm.ISAC.CA Suite 835, 10040 - 104 St. phone: (403) 420-8081 Edmonton, Alberta, Canada fax: (403) 420-8037 T5J 0Z2 From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Nov 10 13:48:15 1993 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA05590; Wed, 10 Nov 93 13:48:15 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA06936; Wed, 10 Nov 93 13:30:44 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from shiva1.cac.washington.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA06930; Wed, 10 Nov 93 13:30:43 -0800 Received: by shiva1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA11159; Wed, 10 Nov 93 13:30:36 -0800 Date: Wed, 10 Nov 1993 13:28:30 -0800 (PST) From: David L Miller Subject: Re: pine & xterm To: "Amos A. Gouaux" Cc: pine-info In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Amos, This is very similar to a problem reported using the Sun cmdtool. We have made some changes for Pine 3.88 that will hopefully help the situation, but we still need to do some more testing on it. Thanks for the report! --DLM |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA On Wed, 10 Nov 1993, Amos A. Gouaux wrote: > Does anybody else experience core files when using the following command? > > % xterm -e pine & > > After I quit pine, I find that pine left a core file. I'm using 3.87 but > have noticed it before with previous versions too. > > Amos A. Gouaux Academic Computing Services amos@unt.edu > UNIX and CUTCP University of North Texas 817/565-4898 > Systems Support PO Box 13495, Denton, TX 76203 FAX at -4060 > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Nov 10 23:01:18 1993 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA16940; Wed, 10 Nov 93 23:01:18 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA27026; Wed, 10 Nov 93 22:45:12 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from log.css.itd.umich.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA27020; Wed, 10 Nov 93 22:45:11 -0800 Received: from stimpy.css.itd.umich.edu by css.itd.umich.edu (5.67/2.2) id AA08966; Thu, 11 Nov 93 01:45:08 -0500 Received: by stimpy.css.itd.umich.edu (5.67/dumb-1.0) id AA15911; Thu, 11 Nov 93 01:45:07 -0500 Date: Thu, 11 Nov 1993 01:43:08 -0500 (EST) From: Colin Eric Johnson Subject: Documentation for Pine To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I am looking for some formatted docs for Pine. I would like it best if they were in MSWord format but anything will work that doesn't force me to reformat the pine.hlp file. Does such a creature exist? Colin Eric Johnson colinj@umich.edu University of Michigan, Information Technology Division Campus Computing Sites finger @css.itd.umich.edu for PGP 2.3 key From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Nov 11 04:30:18 1993 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA21030; Thu, 11 Nov 93 04:30:18 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA17601; Thu, 11 Nov 93 04:20:20 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from cheviot.ncl.ac.uk by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA17595; Thu, 11 Nov 93 04:20:15 -0800 Received: from (scawdell.ncl.ac.uk) by cheviot.ncl.ac.uk id (5.65cVUW/NCL-CMA.1.35 for ) with SMTP; Thu, 11 Nov 1993 12:20:04 GMT Date: Thu, 11 Nov 1993 12:18:55 +0000 (GMT) From: "A. Hilborne" Reply-To: "A. Hilborne" Subject: Re: pine & xterm To: "Amos A. Gouaux" Cc: pine-info In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII On Wed, 10 Nov 1993, Amos A. Gouaux wrote: > Does anybody else experience core files when using the following command? > > % xterm -e pine & > I fairly regularly notice cores from Pine, but never notice it crashing. They don't occur every time I quit Pine, but I am running in an xterm in much the same way as you. -- Andrew M. Hilborne Andrew.Hilborne@newcastle.ac.uk Computing Service Tel: +44 91 222 8226 (direct) University of Newcastle upon Tyne, UK. +44 91 222 8039 (Comp Service office) From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Nov 11 06:41:40 1993 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA22332; Thu, 11 Nov 93 06:41:40 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA28756; Thu, 11 Nov 93 06:21:21 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from ua.d.umn.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA28750; Thu, 11 Nov 93 06:21:19 -0800 Received: from jness.d.umn.edu by ua.d.umn.edu with SMTP id AA13651 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Thu, 11 Nov 1993 08:21:15 -0600 Date: Thu, 11 Nov 93 08:21:15 -0600 From: Joel Ness To: Colin Eric Johnson Subject: Re: Documentation for Pine Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Message-Id: In-Reply-To: Your message of Thu, 11 Nov 1993 01:43:08 -0500 (EST) Content-Type: TEXT/plain; charset=US-ASCII > I am looking for some formatted docs for Pine. I would > like it best if they were in MSWord format but anything > will work that doesn't force me to reformat the > pine.hlp file. Does such a creature exist? > > Colin Eric Johnson colinj@umich.edu > University of Michigan, Information Technology Division > Campus Computing Sites finger @css.itd.umich.edu for PGP > 2.3 key I've got a 16-page MSWord doc that I put together mostly out of the online help for Pine. I included a number of screen shots and some local UMD information. I've also got a two-page shorter version that just gets people started. Be glad to send a binhex version to anyone who's interested. _________________________ Joel Ness UMD Information Services jness@ua.d.umn.edu (218) 726-8841 From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Nov 11 07:04:10 1993 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA22587; Thu, 11 Nov 93 07:04:10 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA18668; Thu, 11 Nov 93 06:47:39 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from shivafs.cac.washington.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA18662; Thu, 11 Nov 93 06:47:37 -0800 Received: from tomahawk.welch.jhu.EDU by shivafs.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA05598; Thu, 11 Nov 93 06:47:33 -0800 Received: by tomahawk.welch.jhu.edu. (5.0/SMI-SVR4) id AA07127; Thu, 11 Nov 93 09:44:55 EST Date: Thu, 11 Nov 1993 09:42:44 -0500 (EST) From: Keith Christopher Subject: Wish list To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Length: 248 How a version of pine for the PC that will dialout a modem and connect to do imapd (or pop) mail, via modem. This way on the road I could get my mail without long connect times. Keith Christopher Welch Medical Library Unix System Adminstrator From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Nov 11 07:47:51 1993 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA23039; Thu, 11 Nov 93 07:47:51 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA29006; Thu, 11 Nov 93 07:32:54 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from EMPIRE.CCE.CORNELL.EDU by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA29000; Thu, 11 Nov 93 07:32:52 -0800 Received: by cce.cornell.edu (Smail3.1.28.1 #4) id m0oxe24-0001NkC; Thu, 11 Nov 93 10:34 EST Date: Thu, 11 Nov 1993 10:33:15 -0500 (EST) From: Ron Pool Subject: Re: Documentation for Pine To: Joel Ness Cc: Colin Eric Johnson , pine-info@cac.washington.edu In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 11 Nov 1993, Joel Ness wrote: > I've got a 16-page MSWord doc that I put together mostly out of the online help > for Pine. I included a number of screen shots and some local UMD information. > I've also got a two-page shorter version that just gets people started. > > Be glad to send a binhex version to anyone who's interested. Please send me a copy. Thanks! -- Ron Pool; Electronic Technology Group; B-15 Wing Hall; Ithaca, NY 14853 Internet: ron@cce.cornell.edu From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Nov 11 08:10:36 1993 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA23362; Thu, 11 Nov 93 08:10:36 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA19142; Thu, 11 Nov 93 07:51:12 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from shiva2.cac.washington.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA19136; Thu, 11 Nov 93 07:51:10 -0800 Received: by shiva2.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA12926; Thu, 11 Nov 93 07:51:06 -0800 Date: Thu, 11 Nov 1993 07:41:50 -0800 (PST) From: Terry Gray Subject: Re: Wish list To: Keith Christopher Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII > How a version of pine for the PC that will dialout a modem and connect to do > imapd (or pop) mail, via modem. This way on the road I could get my mail > without long connect times. Keith, This is on our wish list also, and planned for 1H94... Pine works fine via dialup IP (SLIP or PPP) but we will add an "offline mode" where it doesn't try to send mail immediately, and provide for saving (downloading) all or all new messages in one operation to minimize connect time. Later there will be a richer set of "aggregate" operations to allow saving all messages that match particular criteria. This will be done via IMAP, rather than POP, so that one can choose to save/download a *subset* of messages from the INBOX and choose to keep or expunge from the server the subset of messages that was saved. -teg From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Nov 11 11:28:27 1993 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA26215; Thu, 11 Nov 93 11:28:27 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA21234; Thu, 11 Nov 93 11:12:54 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from shiva1.cac.washington.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA21228; Thu, 11 Nov 93 11:12:52 -0800 Received: by shiva1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA00902; Thu, 11 Nov 93 11:12:42 -0800 Date: Thu, 11 Nov 1993 11:12:41 -0800 (PST) From: Steve Hubert Subject: Re: Documentation for Pine To: Joel Ness Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII > Be glad to send a binhex version to anyone who's interested. Hey, why not send it as a regular attachment? That's what this MIME stuff is for. :-) From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Nov 11 11:48:27 1993 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA26532; Thu, 11 Nov 93 11:48:27 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA00108; Thu, 11 Nov 93 11:02:25 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from ua.d.umn.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA00102; Thu, 11 Nov 93 11:02:23 -0800 Received: from kbaa65-85.d.umn.edu by ua.d.umn.edu with SMTP id AA17093 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Thu, 11 Nov 1993 13:02:20 -0600 Date: Thu, 11 Nov 93 13:03:54 -0600 From: Joel Ness To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Documentation for Pine - how to send? Message-Id: In-Reply-To: Your message of Thu, 11 Nov 1993 12:33:02 -0500 (EST) Content-Type: TEXT/plain; charset=US-ASCII I've received quite a few request for copies of our long and short Pine documents (I've also got a short pico handout). Some folks have requested I send them a binhexed version or BASE64 or uuencode, some that I ftp it, and some that I include it as MIME enclosure to the mailing list. Would it be overtaxing things to send out the docs as an enclosure to the whole list? This would seem to be a nice way to get things out to everyone, but I don't want to overload a lot of people's mailboxes. Also, these are Mac MS Word files. To include them as a MIME enclosure I'd need to transfer them as a binary file to my unix account and have Pine include the files in a message. In order not to lose any resource fork or Finder information I'd have to put the binary file I transfer up in MacBinary format. Would it be useful to most folks to get a MIME binary enclosure of a Macbinary formatted file? I'm willing to send things out in a couple of different ways, but I thought I'd see if there was any one method that would work out for all or most people. I think what we're getting into here is a more general discussion of what techniques are the most useful for doing these kinds of file transfers. I'll wait a day or so hear and see if we hear any specific suggestions or general opinions on this topic. _________________________ Joel Ness UMD Information Services jness@ua.d.umn.edu (218) 726-8841 From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Nov 11 12:07:02 1993 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA26866; Thu, 11 Nov 93 12:07:02 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA00430; Thu, 11 Nov 93 11:52:17 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from relay1.UU.NET by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA00424; Thu, 11 Nov 93 11:52:14 -0800 Received: from spool.uu.net (via LOCALHOST) by relay1.UU.NET with SMTP (5.61/UUNET-internet-primary) id AA13324; Thu, 11 Nov 93 14:52:10 -0500 Received: from verifone.UUCP by uucp4.uu.net with UUCP/RMAIL (queueing-rmail) id 145041.2344; Thu, 11 Nov 1993 14:50:41 EST Received: by verifone.com with UUCP/PMDF (DECUS UUCP); Thu, 11 Nov 1993 09:42:54 -1000 Received: from verifone.com by verifone.com (PMDF V4.2-11 #2386) id <01H56NP4AG1S9KNNPH@verifone.com>; Thu, 11 Nov 1993 09:42:49 -1000 Date: Thu, 11 Nov 1993 09:42:49 -1000 From: "James H. Thompson - HNL" Subject: Re: Wish list To: gray@cac.washington.edu Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Message-Id: <01H56NP4B8ZM9KNNPH@verifone.com> Organization: VeriFone X-Ps-Qualifiers: /FONT=Courier-Bold/LINES=66/LEFT_MARGIN=36/CALCULATE/TOP_MARGIN=36/BOTTOM_MARGIN=36 X-Envelope-To: cac.washington.edu!gray, cac.washington.edu!pine-info X-Vms-To: IN%"gray@cac.washington.edu" X-Vms-Cc: IN%"pine-info@cac.washington.edu",JIMMY_T Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT > > How a version of pine for the PC that will dialout a modem and connect to do > > imapd (or pop) mail, via modem. This way on the road I could get my mail > > without long connect times. > > Keith, > This is on our wish list also, and planned for 1H94... > > Pine works fine via dialup IP (SLIP or PPP) but we will add an "offline > mode" where it doesn't try to send mail immediately, and provide for > saving (downloading) all or all new messages in one operation to minimize > connect time. Later there will be a richer set of "aggregate" operations > to allow saving all messages that match particular criteria. This will be > done via IMAP, rather than POP, so that one can choose to save/download a > *subset* of messages from the INBOX and choose to keep or expunge from the > server the subset of messages that was saved. > For disconnected operation to be useful for our users they would need the ability to queue requests to file messsages into folders while disconnected. When PINE reconnected via IMAP or whatever the message filing requests would be executed. Also not clear to me how well SLIP/PPP will work when users are accessing the host via dialup into international X.25 networks - as anyone tried this? Jim +------------------------------------+--------------------------------------+ | James H. Thompson | jimmy_t@verifone.com (Internet) | | VeriFone Inc. | uunet!verifone!jimmy_t (UUCP) | | 100 Kahelu Avenue | 808-623-2911 (Phone) | | Mililani, HI 96789 | 808-625-3201 (FAX) | +------------------------------------+--------------------------------------+ From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Nov 11 12:23:14 1993 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA27173; Thu, 11 Nov 93 12:23:14 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA21605; Thu, 11 Nov 93 11:55:38 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from mserv.rug.ac.be by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA21599; Thu, 11 Nov 93 11:55:33 -0800 Received: from nessy.rug.ac.be by mserv.rug.ac.be with SMTP id AA27017 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Thu, 11 Nov 1993 20:55:15 +0100 Received: from by nessy.rug.ac.be (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AB01647; Thu, 11 Nov 93 20:56:07 +0100 X-Nupop-Charset: English Date: Thu, 11 Nov 1993 20:59:38 +0100 From: "Viviane Vermeire" Message-Id: <75594.vvermeir@nessy> Return-Receipt-To: Viviane.Vermeire@rug.ac.be To: jness@ua.d.umn.edu Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: Documentation for Pine In message Thu, 11 Nov 93 08:21:15 -0600, Joel Ness writes: > >> I am looking for some formatted docs for Pine. I would >> like it best if they were in MSWord format but anything >> will work that doesn't force me to reformat the >> pine.hlp file. Does such a creature exist? >> >> Colin Eric Johnson colinj@umich.edu >> University of Michigan, Information Technology Division >> Campus Computing Sites finger @css.itd.umich.edu for PGP >> 2.3 key >> > > I've got a 16-page MSWord doc that I put together mostly out of the > online help for Pine. I included a number of screen shots and some local > UMD information. I've also got a two-page shorter version that just gets > people started. > Be glad to send a binhex version to anyone who's interested. Be glad to receive one from you... thanks in advance, Viviane. __ Viviane Vermeire Viviane.Vermeire@rug.ac.be postmaster@allserv.rug.ac.be ARC Universiteit Gent. tel. 32-(0)9-2644738 Krijgslaan 281, S9 fax. 32-(0)9-2644794 B9000 Gent. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Nov 11 12:32:18 1993 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA27402; Thu, 11 Nov 93 12:32:18 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA00508; Thu, 11 Nov 93 12:07:19 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from stonewall.sph.umich.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA00502; Thu, 11 Nov 93 12:07:18 -0800 Received: from rwj.sph.umich.edu by sph.umich.edu (5.67/2.2) id AA22414; Thu, 11 Nov 93 15:05:33 -0500 Date: Thu, 11 Nov 1993 15:07:40 PST From: "Richard J. Foote" Subject: Re: Documentation for Pine - how to send? To: Joel Ness Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Message-Id: Priority: Normal Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII If I recall correctly, MSWord files don't have a resource fork, so they could probably be transfered as straight binary -- that way they could be read by PC-type machines into WinWord or some other conversion program. A MIME attachment to e-mail (MacBinary, RTF, ETC) would be the preferred method. On Thu, 11 Nov 93 13:03:54 -0600 Joel Ness wrote: > From: Joel Ness > Date: Thu, 11 Nov 93 13:03:54 -0600 > Subject: Documentation for Pine - how to send? > To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu > > I've received quite a few request for copies of our long and short Pine > documents (I've also got a short pico handout). Some folks have requested I send > them a binhexed version or BASE64 or uuencode, some that I ftp it, and some that > I include it as MIME enclosure to the mailing list. > > Would it be overtaxing things to send out the docs as an enclosure to the whole > list? This would seem to be a nice way to get things out to everyone, but I > don't want to overload a lot of people's mailboxes. Also, these are Mac MS Word > files. To include them as a MIME enclosure I'd need to transfer them as a binary > file to my unix account and have Pine include the files in a message. In order > not to lose any resource fork or Finder information I'd have to put the binary > file I transfer up in MacBinary format. Would it be useful to most folks to get > a MIME binary enclosure of a Macbinary formatted file? > > I'm willing to send things out in a couple of different ways, but I thought I'd > see if there was any one method that would work out for all or most people. > > I think what we're getting into here is a more general discussion of what > techniques are the most useful for doing these kinds of file transfers. I'll > wait a day or so hear and see if we hear any specific suggestions or general > opinions on this topic. > _________________________ > Joel Ness > UMD Information Services > jness@ua.d.umn.edu > (218) 726-8841 > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Nov 11 14:38:49 1993 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA29707; Thu, 11 Nov 93 14:38:49 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA01413; Thu, 11 Nov 93 14:29:29 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from digi.syd.deg.CSIRO.AU by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA01407; Thu, 11 Nov 93 14:29:25 -0800 Received: by digi.syd.deg.csiro.au id AA03517 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for pine-info@cac.washington.edu); Fri, 12 Nov 1993 09:32:31 +1100 Date: Fri, 12 Nov 1993 09:19:49 +1100 (EST) From: Jack Churchill Subject: Re: Documentation for Pine - how to send? To: Joel Ness Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 11 Nov 1993, Joel Ness wrote: > Would it be overtaxing things to send out the docs as an enclosure to the whole > list? This would seem to be a nice way to get things out to everyone, but I > don't want to overload a lot of people's mailboxes. Also, these are Mac MS Word > files. To include them as a MIME enclosure I'd need to transfer them as a binary > file to my unix account and have Pine include the files in a message. In order > not to lose any resource fork or Finder information I'd have to put the binary > file I transfer up in MacBinary format. Would it be useful to most folks to get > a MIME binary enclosure of a Macbinary formatted file? Depends how big the files are but it's traditional to make them available via anonymous ftp. If you don't want to or can't then the next best method is to MIME them to the list. If we are seriously advocating MIME for multi-media mail then lets' use it! MACWord files shouldn't require fork information - if it does then we have major problems ahead of us when documents such as MSWord files have to be exchanged more often between PCs, MACs and unix platforms. I can read just about all of the more popular word processor files generated by PCs and MACs on my unix workstation via DECwrite (and I presume there are other perhaps better alternatives like Framemaker). So let's use MIME for the transport to push the documents around to try it out. If it doesn't work then perhaps MIME is a lame duck and needs major changes. > I think what we're getting into here is a more general discussion of what > techniques are the most useful for doing these kinds of file transfers. I'll > wait a day or so hear and see if we hear any specific suggestions or general > opinions on this topic. I've given my 2 cents worth. Jack N. Churchill | Jack.Churchill@dem.csiro.au CSIRO Division of Exploration and Mining | churchill@decus.com.au PO Box 136 North Ryde NSW 2113 | Phone: +61 2 887 8884 Australia | Fax: +61 2 887 8921 From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Nov 11 17:34:20 1993 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA02569; Thu, 11 Nov 93 17:34:20 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA24410; Thu, 11 Nov 93 16:13:59 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from ua.d.umn.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA24400; Thu, 11 Nov 93 16:13:45 -0800 Received: by ua.d.umn.edu id AA17148 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for pine-info@cac.washington.edu); Thu, 11 Nov 1993 18:13:39 -0600 Date: Thu, 11 Nov 1993 18:08:27 -0600 (CST) From: Joel Ness Reply-To: Joel Ness Subject: To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: MULTIPART/MIXED; BOUNDARY="0-1537157117-753063215:#17025" --0-1537157117-753063215:#17025 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Well, hope I'm not making too big a deal out of offering to share some Pine handouts I've created, but I'm also using this to get some experience in various ways of sharing files with the net community. As quite a few people requested, I've included as MIME attachments to this message the three handouts I mentioned. Each attachment is the binary data fork of a Macintosh MS Word 5.1 file. You'll need to replace the missing Finder information yourself (file type: WDBN, creator type: MSWD). I hope the size of these files (10K, 10K & 60K) doesn't create problems with various mailers. I guess we'll find out through experience. I'm also trying an experiment and have made various formats of these files available from my Mac via anonymous ftp, gopher, and AppleShare. To ftp the files, ftp to jness.d.umn.edu. To get to the files via gopher, open a gopher connection to jness.d.umn.edu, port 70. They are in a directory called "Exchange Folder". If you're on a Mac using TurboGopher you should be able to transfer the .hqx format files directly to Word files on your hard disk. If you're on the UofMN AppleTalk network you should be able to open an AppleShare connection directly to my Mac (jness in zone UMD-MWAH) and copy the 3 files from the Exchange Folder. Below is the contents of a README file I've placed in the ftp/gopher Exchange Folder directory. ***************************** The Pine and Pico documentation in this directory comes in three formats. 1. The xxx.hqx files are the original MSWord 5.1 files displayed to you as binhex files by the FTPd ftp/gopher server software running on my Mac. If you transfer them via ftp you should receive a standard MacBinary encoded binhex file. However, since the .hqx extension is added by the FTPd display filter, you may not be able to do a wildcard get (mget C8*.hqx). Typing the entire filename, including the ".hqx" should work. 2. The xxx.rtf files are Microsoft Rich Text Format saved out of MS Word. These are plain ascii text format files. 3. The xxx.uu files are uuencoded files containing the data resource of the original Microsoft Word file. You will have to manually add the file type (WDBN) and creator type (MSWD) using one of the usual utilities such as ResEdit on the Mac. *********************************** Please let me know whether you are able to get these files via the enclosures here or one of the other methods. I suppose some feedback on the docs themselves might be nice, too, but the sharing process is actually becoming of more interest to me. There's probably a good chance I've messed up on some of my preparations or instructions, but we'll live and learn. Let me know if you have problems. 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17:26:29 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from shivafs.cac.washington.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA25259; Thu, 11 Nov 93 17:26:28 -0800 Received: from ester.dsv.su.se by shivafs.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA10796; Thu, 11 Nov 93 17:26:26 -0800 X400-Received: by /PRMD=SUNET/ADMD=_/C=SE/; Relayed; 12 Nov 93 02:21:50+0100 Date: 12 Nov 93 02:21:50+0100 From: Joel Ness Message-Id: <473458*@su-kom.dsv.su.se> Cc: pine-info To: "Pine mailer discussions group (pine-infoEcac.washington.edu)" From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Nov 12 03:37:13 1993 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA08904; Fri, 12 Nov 93 03:37:13 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA04444; Fri, 12 Nov 93 03:14:08 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from tomobiki-cho.cac.washington.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA04438; Fri, 12 Nov 93 03:14:07 -0800 Received: from localhost by Tomobiki-Cho.CAC.Washington.EDU (NX5.67d/UW-NDC Revision: 2.27.MRC ) id AA12566; Fri, 12 Nov 93 03:14:01 -0800 Date: Fri, 12 Nov 1993 03:12:50 -0800 (PST) From: Mark Crispin Subject: re: Trying to Configure Pine To: aherskow@alleg.EDU Cc: Pine Info In-Reply-To: <9311100559.AA28770@alleg.EDU> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII On Wed, 10 Nov 93 00:59:52 -0500, Aaron Herskowitz wrote: > if /usr/spool/mail/username doesn't exist, Pine complains and refuses to > open the INBOX (understandable since it isn't there.) Even if new mail > arrives > to /usr/spool/mail/username, the user will not be notified since the INBOX > folder is not open. I realize that the cause of this is created by the NeXT > GUI mail application, but is there a simple work-around? If you set your INBOX-PATH variable to be INBOX, this should correct this problem. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Nov 12 04:16:42 1993 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA09583; Fri, 12 Nov 93 04:16:42 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA29734; Fri, 12 Nov 93 03:58:05 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from snow.csi.cam.ac.uk by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA29728; Fri, 12 Nov 93 03:57:59 -0800 Received: from quinag.csi.cam.ac.uk by ppsw2.cam.ac.uk with SMTP-CAM (PP-6.0) as ppsw.cam.ac.uk id <08717-0@ppsw2.cam.ac.uk>; Fri, 12 Nov 1993 11:54:51 +0000 Date: Fri, 12 Nov 1993 11:53:22 GMT From: Barry Landy Subject: Re: Documentation for Pine To: Joel Ness Cc: Colin Eric Johnson , pine-info@cac.washington.edu X-Sender: bl10@cus.cam.ac.uk In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 11 Nov 1993, Joel Ness wrote: > I've got a 16-page MSWord doc that I put together mostly out of the online help > for Pine. I included a number of screen shots and some local UMD information. > I've also got a two-page shorter version that just gets people started. > > Be glad to send a binhex version to anyone who's interested. You neglected to mention that this documentation is based on PINE 3.05! If anyone redoes this for the current releases, I would be grateful! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Barry Landy Computer Laboratory:+44 223 334600 Head of Systems and Development Direct line: +44 223 334713 University of Cambridge Computing Service New Museums Site Email:Barry.Landy@ucs.cam.ac.uk Pembroke Street, Cambridge CB2 3QG From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Nov 12 06:26:26 1993 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA11155; Fri, 12 Nov 93 06:26:26 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA05148; Fri, 12 Nov 93 06:12:16 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from ua.d.umn.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA05142; Fri, 12 Nov 93 06:12:14 -0800 Received: from jness.d.umn.edu by ua.d.umn.edu with SMTP id AA07075 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Fri, 12 Nov 1993 08:11:58 -0600 Date: Fri, 12 Nov 93 08:11:59 -0600 From: Joel Ness To: Barry Landy Subject: Re: Documentation for Pine Cc: , pine-info@cac.washington.edu Message-Id: In-Reply-To: Your message of Fri, 12 Nov 1993 11:53:22 GMT Content-Type: TEXT/plain; charset=US-ASCII > You neglected to mention that this documentation is > based on PINE 3.05! If anyone redoes this for the > current releases, I would be grateful! > > ---------------------------------------------------------- > --------------------- Barry Landy > Computer Laboratory:+44 223 334600 Head of Systems and > Development Direct line: +44 223 > 334713 University of Cambridge Computing Service > New Museums Site > Email:Barry.Landy@ucs.cam.ac.uk Pembroke Street, > Cambridge CB2 3QG Ah, very true. We'll be converting to the new version over the Christmas break and I'll be updating the docs. If folks are still interested, I'll make the updated versions available from my computer in the same ftp and gopher manner. The changes should be fairly minor, however, so it wouldn't take too much work for anyone to modify my documents (especially since they'll need to be modified to remove local UMD information anyway). Since I cribbed most of these docs from the Pine on-line help I see nothing wrong with anyone just modifying my documentation a little and making it their own. _________________________ Joel Ness UMD Information Services jness@ua.d.umn.edu (218) 726-8841 From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Nov 12 09:24:25 1993 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA15527; Fri, 12 Nov 93 09:24:25 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA04304; Fri, 12 Nov 93 09:07:03 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from stein.u.washington.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA04298; Fri, 12 Nov 93 09:07:02 -0800 Received: by stein2.u.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA01357; Fri, 12 Nov 93 09:07:01 -0800 X-Sender: mramey@stein2.u.washington.edu Date: Fri, 12 Nov 1993 09:02:35 -0800 (PST) From: Mike Ramey Subject: comp.mail.pine newsgroup & ftp site ??? To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII There are lots of comp.mail newsgroups. It's about time (!) we had a comp.mail.pine newsgroup. And an anonymous ftp site for distributed AND contributed files. !!! -mr On Thu, 11 Nov 1993, Joel Ness wrote: > I've received quite a few request for copies of our long and short Pine > documents (I've also got a short pico handout). > > Would it be overtaxing things to send out the docs as an enclosure > to the whole list? From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Nov 12 09:36:43 1993 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA15985; Fri, 12 Nov 93 09:36:43 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA06157; Fri, 12 Nov 93 09:24:57 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from opus.csd.uwm.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA06151; Fri, 12 Nov 93 09:24:55 -0800 Received: by opus.csd.uwm.edu (5.65/DEC-Ultrix/4.3) id AA27539; Fri, 12 Nov 1993 11:24:54 -0600 Date: Fri, 12 Nov 1993 11:23:12 -0600 (CST) From: Dave Rasmussen Subject: name expansion To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I ran into a problem the other day with a professor who wanted to create a mailing list in pine for her nursing class. The problem was that with the name expansion sent off to sendmail, it blew sendmail's atom limit or something and currently the mail is still sitting in the queue. I had hacked elm at one point to not expand local addresses. Is this something easily done in pine or not recommended or what? I'm basically saying, if I send to dave (@localaddress) I'd like it to be sent to dave not David A. Rasmussen --- Dave Rasmussen - SysAdm/Hacker/Consulting Manager, UWM Computing Svcs Div. Internet:dave@uwm.edu, Uucp:uwm!dave, Bitnet:dave%uwm.edu@INTERBIT AT&T:414-229-5133 USmail:Box 413 EMS380,Milwaukee,WI 53201 HAM: N9REJ From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Nov 12 09:40:49 1993 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA16087; Fri, 12 Nov 93 09:40:49 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA06175; Fri, 12 Nov 93 09:26:26 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from hopi.dtcc.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA06169; Fri, 12 Nov 93 09:26:23 -0800 Received: by hopi.dtcc.edu (5.4R2.10/200.1.1.4) id AA05678; Fri, 12 Nov 1993 12:26:17 -0500 Date: Fri, 12 Nov 1993 12:22:42 -0500 (EST) From: Ken Weaverling Subject: Re: comp.mail.pine newsgroup & ftp site ??? To: Mike Ramey Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Fri, 12 Nov 1993, Mike Ramey wrote: > There are lots of comp.mail newsgroups. > It's about time (!) we had a comp.mail.pine newsgroup. It would take a few months and carefully following the procedures. Start to read news.groups carefully, and also news.announce.newgroups. If everyone is interested, I can start the process going. However, it should be discussed on the mailing list here for a while. One requirement is that it will eventually go out to vote and this will require 100 more yes votes than no, and at least 2/3 majority in favour. One sure fire way of making some of those overly-sensitive news admins to vote against a group is not following the procedures! BTW, I would support the group. Reading news beats having tons of mail. Ken Weaverling weave@dtcc.edu Manager of Computer Services Stanton/Wilmington Campuses of Delaware Technical & Community College From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Nov 12 10:44:01 1993 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA18135; Fri, 12 Nov 93 10:44:01 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA06197; Fri, 12 Nov 93 10:31:43 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from uwavm.u.washington.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA06191; Fri, 12 Nov 93 10:31:41 -0800 Message-Id: <9311121831.AA06191@mx1.cac.washington.edu> Received: from UWAVM.U.WASHINGTON.EDU by UWAVM.U.WASHINGTON.EDU (IBM VM SMTP V2R1) with BSMTP id 9727; Fri, 12 Nov 93 10:30:48 PST Received: from RICEVM1.RICE.EDU by UWAVM.U.WASHINGTON.EDU (Mailer R2.10 ptf008) with BSMTP id 6637; Fri, 12 Nov 93 10:30:43 PST Received: from ricevm1.rice.edu (NJE origin TROTH@RICEVM1) by RICEVM1.RICE.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 2995; Fri, 12 Nov 1993 12:34:19 -0600 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Date: Fri, 12 Nov 93 12:27:57 CST From: Rick Troth Subject: Re: Addressbook format [ To: Oved Ben-Aroya Cc: David Wall , pine-info@cac.washington.edu, ccsmbrk@technion.technion.ac.il In-Reply-To: Message of Sun, 31 Oct 1993 17:08:05 +0200 (EET) from >> >We also have a program to convert between RICE mailer notebooks and the >> >Pine addressbook. The author is Tom Remmers. (remmers@u.washington.edu.) >... >> >> Rick Troth , Rice University, Information Systems >> > >Thanks Rick, we are using successfully your tools. However, we wonder >if there is also a tool for VM's "names" conversion. Umm... I didn't write the other program mentioned above. There are two. Also, in creating that, I was bitten yet again by the "plain text" != "plain text" problem, where SMTP appears to be plain text, 822 and 821 read as if plain text is the intention, but some implementations (pine) get away with a stricter definition. The problem was ... on VM systems there's no such thing as a completely empty line. So a line that looks empty will have at least one blank space, maybe more. Elm didn't care; I seem to recall that ZMail didn't care either; but Pine was NOT HAPPY that the blank line following the header wasn't really empty. :-( So I fixed my migration tool to write the UNIX mbox file in binary. Pine is *still* unhappy with the notebooks I create. This is with 3.07, though. Gimme a chance to try again whenver we upgrade. >-- >\Oved -- Rick TrOth , Rice University, Information Systems From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Nov 12 11:21:12 1993 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA19156; Fri, 12 Nov 93 11:21:12 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA06901; Fri, 12 Nov 93 11:05:29 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from uwavm.u.washington.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA06893; Fri, 12 Nov 93 11:05:27 -0800 Message-Id: <9311121905.AA06893@mx1.cac.washington.edu> Received: from UWAVM.U.WASHINGTON.EDU by UWAVM.U.WASHINGTON.EDU (IBM VM SMTP V2R1) with BSMTP id 0005; Fri, 12 Nov 93 11:04:42 PST Received: from RICEVM1.RICE.EDU by UWAVM.U.WASHINGTON.EDU (Mailer R2.10 ptf008) with BSMTP id 7579; Fri, 12 Nov 93 11:04:41 PST Received: from ricevm1.rice.edu (NJE origin TROTH@RICEVM1) by RICEVM1.RICE.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 4314; Fri, 12 Nov 1993 13:07:41 -0600 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Date: Fri, 12 Nov 93 12:34:32 CST From: Rick Troth Subject: Re: Addressbook format [ To: Oved Ben-Aroya Cc: David Wall , pine-info@cac.washington.edu, ccsmbrk@technion.technion.ac.il In-Reply-To: Message of Sun, 31 Oct 1993 17:08:05 +0200 (EET) from >> >We also have a program to convert between RICE mailer notebooks and the >> >Pine addressbook. The author is Tom Remmers. (remmers@u.washington.edu.) >... >> >> Rick Troth , Rice University, Information Systems >> > >Thanks Rick, we are using successfully your tools. However, we wonder >if there is also a tool for VM's "names" conversion. CMS NAMES and CMS NAMEFIND, yes indeed! We "really really" need a tool on UNIX like CMS' NAMES and NAMEFIND utilities. Hmmm... this should also cross into the SMTP/822/MIME discussion where Greg Vandreuil's Application/Signature has been getting kicked around. I'll do that in a separate posting to follow that thread's subject line. Here's my App/Sig which comes to you from my NAMES file: Name: Rick Troth, RUA Email: troth@rice.edu Telephone: Fax: Address: 11558 Withers Way Circle;Houston, TX 770xx Portrait: Don't have my portrait in there yet. :-( Soon though. And there's no phone or FAX at the new house. There are also other fields that App/Sig defines. Anyway, the point of this is that NAMES gives me a general purpose flat-file plain-text user-maintainable database for this kind of information. My supervisor in a previous life once created a UNIX 'names' program. It kept the database in $HOME/.names. (file is called NAMES in the CMS implementation) I don't think it was ever integrated, though. Surely would be nice, though, if such a generic tool were available and used by at least *one* application. I believe others would follow ... if the tool were simple enough while still reliable. RiceMAIL uses CMS NAMES because it's there, it's easy to use, interfacing with it is trivial. The format of a CMS NAMES file is: :tag.data :tag.data :tag.data ... where the tag ":nick." is sacred and delimits entries. The tags can be anything you like. The CMS NAMES program defines the following fields: Nickname, Userid, Node (historical that node is separate), Notebook (where to log mail for this person), Name, Phone, and Address (surface mail, that is), and "List of Names" which is a group alias definition. Usually, though, I don't even use NAMES. I just edit the file by hand. It's too easy. The NAMEFIND tool is invoked by any application that wants to extract data from this database. I think I wrote a crefty tool once to read NAMES format on UNIX. It's been a *long* time, though. And since I haven't gotten around to writing my own mail user agent snickerY I haven't had an occasion to actually *use* the generic tool. >-- >\Oved I'm really glad you mentioned NAMES. Let's see it happen! -- Rick TrOth , Rice University, Information Systems From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Nov 12 11:40:46 1993 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA19818; Fri, 12 Nov 93 11:40:46 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA07308; Fri, 12 Nov 93 11:28:52 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from shiva1.cac.washington.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA07302; Fri, 12 Nov 93 11:28:51 -0800 Received: by shiva1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA15453; Fri, 12 Nov 93 11:28:47 -0800 Date: Fri, 12 Nov 1993 11:28:43 -0800 (PST) From: David L Miller Subject: Re: comp.mail.pine newsgroup & ftp site ??? To: Mike Ramey Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII The question or a Pine newsgroup comes up from time to time. Our position is that we do not object to it, but we cannot supply any additional management resources for it. As far as anonymous ftp access, we will be happy to distribute contributions. Currently, most of the contributions are rolled into the source distribution in the contrib directory. Would it be more beneficial for users if we maintained a separate mail/contrib directory on ftp.cac.washington.edu? |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA On Fri, 12 Nov 1993, Mike Ramey wrote: > There are lots of comp.mail newsgroups. > It's about time (!) we had a comp.mail.pine newsgroup. > And an anonymous ftp site for distributed AND contributed files. > !!! -mr > > On Thu, 11 Nov 1993, Joel Ness wrote: > > I've received quite a few request for copies of our long and short Pine > > documents (I've also got a short pico handout). > > > > Would it be overtaxing things to send out the docs as an enclosure > > to the whole list? > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Nov 12 12:16:22 1993 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA21118; Fri, 12 Nov 93 12:16:22 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA08159; Fri, 12 Nov 93 12:03:05 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from hopi.dtcc.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA08153; Fri, 12 Nov 93 12:02:59 -0800 Received: by hopi.dtcc.edu (5.4R2.10/200.1.1.4) id AA06376; Fri, 12 Nov 1993 15:02:58 -0500 Date: Fri, 12 Nov 1993 15:01:25 -0500 (EST) From: Ken Weaverling Subject: Re: comp.mail.pine newsgroup & ftp site ??? To: David L Miller Cc: Mike Ramey , pine-info@cac.washington.edu In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Fri, 12 Nov 1993, David L Miller wrote: > The question or a Pine newsgroup comes up from time to time. Our position is > that we do not object to it, but we cannot supply any additional management > resources for it. As far as anonymous ftp access, we will be happy to > distribute contributions. Currently, most of the contributions are rolled > into the source distribution in the contrib directory. Would it be more > beneficial for users if we maintained a separate mail/contrib directory on > ftp.cac.washington.edu? Can I infer from this that you are saying that if a newsgroup did exist, that the Pine development team would not have the time to read it? Since if this is so, then the effectiveness of the group would be greatly diminished. Of course, there is always a two-way news<->newsgroup gateway but they can be ugly to maintain and occasionally blow up -- plus I have no experience setting one up myself... Ken Weaverling weave@dtcc.edu Manager of Computer Services Stanton/Wilmington Campuses of Delaware Technical & Community College From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Nov 12 12:27:23 1993 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA21535; Fri, 12 Nov 93 12:27:23 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA08384; Fri, 12 Nov 93 12:14:24 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from shiva1.cac.washington.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA08378; Fri, 12 Nov 93 12:14:22 -0800 Received: by shiva1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA17329; Fri, 12 Nov 93 12:14:17 -0800 Date: Fri, 12 Nov 1993 12:14:15 -0800 (PST) From: David L Miller Subject: Re: comp.mail.pine newsgroup & ftp site ??? To: Ken Weaverling Cc: Mike Ramey , pine-info@cac.washington.edu In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII No, if it is created we will read it, but we won't commit to gateway management, etc. Sorry about the confusion. --DLM |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA On Fri, 12 Nov 1993, Ken Weaverling wrote: > On Fri, 12 Nov 1993, David L Miller wrote: > > > The question or a Pine newsgroup comes up from time to time. Our position is > > that we do not object to it, but we cannot supply any additional management > > resources for it. As far as anonymous ftp access, we will be happy to > > distribute contributions. Currently, most of the contributions are rolled > > into the source distribution in the contrib directory. Would it be more > > beneficial for users if we maintained a separate mail/contrib directory on > > ftp.cac.washington.edu? > > Can I infer from this that you are saying that if a newsgroup did exist, > that the Pine development team would not have the time to read it? Since > if this is so, then the effectiveness of the group would be greatly > diminished. > > Of course, there is always a two-way news<->newsgroup gateway but they can > be ugly to maintain and occasionally blow up -- plus I have no experience > setting one up myself... > > Ken Weaverling weave@dtcc.edu > Manager of Computer Services > Stanton/Wilmington Campuses of > Delaware Technical & Community College > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Nov 12 12:37:54 1993 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA21867; Fri, 12 Nov 93 12:37:54 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA08352; Fri, 12 Nov 93 12:12:32 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from shiva1.cac.washington.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA08326; Fri, 12 Nov 93 12:11:21 -0800 Received: by shiva1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA17172; Fri, 12 Nov 93 12:08:42 -0800 Date: Fri, 12 Nov 1993 12:08:40 -0800 (PST) From: David L Miller Subject: Re: HELP Restoring Email into the spool or a folder To: "John Daum... 618-256-6835" Cc: Pine Help List In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII John, Sorry about the delay in responding to this. The order of the headers does not really matter as far as pine is concerned. Was the program perchance mh? If so, the Pine distribution contains a contributed driver for mh-style mailboxes that provides read-only access if I remember correctly. It is not linked into Pine by default because it is still experimental and incomplete. If you would like to experiment with it, send a note to pine@cac.washington.edu and we will give you a few pointers. Hope this helps! --DLM |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA On Wed, 27 Oct 1993, John Daum... 618-256-6835 wrote: > > Is there an easy way to get PINE to recognize these Email messages??? > > I have a user who accidently invoked an older mail package that stored > each of 80 some odd messages as individual files with a different order > to each of the "From:" "To:" etc... for example: > > Return-Path: > Received: > id AA12548; Mon, 25 Oct 93 10:27:44 -0400 > Message-Id: > X-Sender: > Mime-Version: 1.0 > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > Date: > To: > From: > Subject: > Status: O > X-Status: > > > Return-Path: > Date: > From: > To: > Subject: > > > Return-Path: mckenney@smiley.mitre.org > To: > Subject: > Reply-To: > Date: > From: > > > Thanks.... John E. Daum > > 618-256-6835 or 618-632-2456 via ms bell OR > daumj@tiberius.safb.af.mil via the Internet > > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Nov 12 14:07:13 1993 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA24574; Fri, 12 Nov 93 14:07:13 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA10266; Fri, 12 Nov 93 13:53:08 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from port10.columbus.oh.pub-ip.psi.net by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA10260; Fri, 12 Nov 93 13:53:03 -0800 Date: Fri, 12 Nov 1993 16:51:27 -500 (EST) From: "Steven E. Frazier" Subject: saved-messages To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Is there a way to save an outgoing message into a folder of the "to" address and have it ask you if that is where you want to save it rather than putting it in save-messages? Thanks. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Nov 12 15:00:20 1993 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA26225; Fri, 12 Nov 93 15:00:20 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA11213; Fri, 12 Nov 93 14:31:04 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from shiva1.cac.washington.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA11207; Fri, 12 Nov 93 14:31:03 -0800 Received: by shiva1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA19658; Fri, 12 Nov 93 14:30:55 -0800 Date: Fri, 12 Nov 1993 14:30:53 -0800 (PST) From: David L Miller Subject: Re: saved-messages To: "Steven E. Frazier" Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Thanks for the suggestion! This is on the enhancement list for a future version of Pine. |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA On Fri, 12 Nov 1993, Steven E. Frazier wrote: > Is there a way to save an outgoing message into a folder of the "to" address > and have it ask you if that is where you want to save it rather than > putting it in save-messages? > > Thanks. > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Nov 12 15:00:48 1993 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA26306; Fri, 12 Nov 93 15:00:48 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA08008; Fri, 12 Nov 93 14:47:54 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from digi.syd.deg.CSIRO.AU by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA08002; Fri, 12 Nov 93 14:47:42 -0800 Received: by digi.syd.deg.csiro.au id AA05636 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for pine mailing list ); Sat, 13 Nov 1993 09:51:09 +1100 Date: Sat, 13 Nov 1993 09:45:15 +1100 (EST) From: Jack Churchill Subject: VMSmail folders -> pine folders To: pine mailing list Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII If there are any VMS users out there who need to bulk convert VMSmail folders to pine folders, send me e-mail and I'll send you a copy of the command files. This version runs slow since it's in DCL but when I get time I might re-write it in C if there's enough demand for it. Jack N. Churchill | Jack.Churchill@dem.csiro.au CSIRO Division of Exploration and Mining | churchill@decus.com.au PO Box 136 North Ryde NSW 2113 | Phone: +61 2 887 8884 Australia | Fax: +61 2 887 8921 From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Nov 12 16:27:36 1993 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA29044; Fri, 12 Nov 93 16:27:36 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA12973; Fri, 12 Nov 93 16:09:16 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from shiva1.cac.washington.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA12967; Fri, 12 Nov 93 16:09:15 -0800 Received: by shiva1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA21753; Fri, 12 Nov 93 16:08:55 -0800 Date: Fri, 12 Nov 1993 16:08:50 -0800 (PST) From: David L Miller Subject: Re: Login name replacement... To: Dave King Cc: PINE In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII We have a variation of this on the enhancement list for a future version of pine. It may even be more general than just using reply-to... |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA On Tue, 9 Nov 1993, Dave King wrote: > > When Reply-To: support is added to Pine, it would be very useful if the > feature whereby Pine puts a "+" next to a message in the index, could be > enhanced to recognise the user's Reply-To: variable, and consequently make > the operation of "+" more useful. > > > Dave > > ------------------------------------------------------------------- > Dave King, Admin. Computing Services Manager, University of Bristol > Dave.King@uk.ac.Bristol (JANET) Dave.King@Bristol.ac.uk (INTERNET) > > On Mon, 8 Nov 1993, David L Miller wrote: > > > > > Pine does not have a way to do that on Unix. A future version of > > Pine will have support for the Reply-To header though... > > > > |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 > > |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) > > University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing > > 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA > > > [ Rest of thread deleted ... ] > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Nov 12 16:30:54 1993 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA29244; Fri, 12 Nov 93 16:30:54 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA08553; Fri, 12 Nov 93 16:21:54 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from uclink.Berkeley.EDU by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA08547; Fri, 12 Nov 93 16:21:51 -0800 Received: by uclink.berkeley.edu (5.64/1.33(web)-oc) id AA13774; Fri, 12 Nov 93 16:04:53 -0800 Date: Fri, 12 Nov 1993 16:03:53 -0800 (PST) From: Henry Yung-Heng Kuo Subject: Re: comp.mail.pine newsgroup & ftp site ??? To: Ken Weaverling Cc: Mike Ramey , pine-info@cac.washington.edu In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hi there! It might be a stupid problem. How can I use pine to connect newsgroup and ftp sites? `~~~~~~ @(0-0) ---------oOO----^---OOo------- ^.^ Henry......... ------------------------------ From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Nov 12 18:03:46 1993 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA01847; Fri, 12 Nov 93 18:03:46 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA14614; Fri, 12 Nov 93 17:52:08 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from medusa.unm.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA14608; Fri, 12 Nov 93 17:52:05 -0800 Received: from MEDUSA.UNM.EDU by MEDUSA.UNM.EDU (PMDF V4.2-14 #5028) id <01H58KS212M8000L9F@MEDUSA.UNM.EDU>; Fri, 12 Nov 1993 18:51:40 MDT Date: Fri, 12 Nov 1993 18:42:17 -0600 (MDT) From: "Stephen F. Day [Med Ctr Comp Svcs]" Subject: Re: VMSmail folders -> pine folders In-Reply-To: Your message dated "Sat, 13 Nov 1993 09:45:15 +1100 (EST)" To: Jack Churchill Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu, "Stephen F. Day [Med Ctr Comp Svcs]" Message-Id: <01H58LC4LSYK000L9F@MEDUSA.UNM.EDU> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT > If there are any VMS users out there who need to bulk convert VMSmail > folders to pine folders, send me e-mail and I'll send you a copy of the > command files. This version runs slow since it's in DCL but when I get > time I might re-write it in C if there's enough demand for it. Now this sounds very interesting to me!!! Are you running Pine on a VMS system? Or are you running a IMAP server on VMS (i.e., PMDF's) on a VMS system? If the latter, IYHO how well does the client work with the PMDF IMAP server? The only apparent 'thorn' I've noted was the new additions to folders (notably new incoming mail) does not appear unless you log off and relog into the server. But, to be fair, it's not really Innosoft's fault (but rather it's a "feature" of VMS callable mail). Nonetheless, if this is what you are doing, I'd be interested in hearing how much of a problem this really is (perhaps the users really don't consider this to be a problem??) Our users would probably would like have an alternative to VMS Mail and Pine would rank high in my book since I used to use it a while back when I was working on Unix systems (but we only have VMS at my present location). > Jack N. Churchill | Jack.Churchill@dem.csiro.au > CSIRO Division of Exploration and Mining | churchill@decus.com.au > PO Box 136 North Ryde NSW 2113 | Phone: +61 2 887 8884 > Australia | Fax: +61 2 887 8921 =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Stephen F. Day (SFD7) AT&TNET: (505) 277-1698 Director BITNET/CREN: SDAY@MEDUSA Medical Ctr Computer Services INTERNET: sday@medusa.UNM.EDU University of New Mexico TECHNET: UNMSDAY =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Nov 12 18:20:09 1993 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA02170; Fri, 12 Nov 93 18:20:09 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA14829; Fri, 12 Nov 93 18:09:37 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from Krypton.Mankato.MSUS.EDU by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA14823; Fri, 12 Nov 93 18:09:35 -0800 Received: from localhost (hayden@localhost) by krypton.mankato.msus.edu (8.6.4/8.6.4) id UAA07711; Fri, 12 Nov 1993 20:13:36 -0600 Date: Fri, 12 Nov 1993 20:11:20 -0600 (CST) From: "Robert A. Hayden" Subject: Single Recipient Distributions To: Pine Info Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Is there a way to produce a distribution listing so that when you mail to that distribution, it won't have the list of all the people you are mailing to? I have a couple of lists with upwards to 50 people (and growing), and it gets a little tiring for them to get their daily mailing and have to weed through two or three pages of names of people who got the same mailing. ____ Robert A. Hayden <=> hayden@krypton.mankato.msus.edu \ /__ -=-=-=-=- <=> -=-=-=-=- \/ / Finger for Geek Code Info <=> Veteran of the Bermuda Triangle \/ Finger for PGP 2.3a Public Key <=> Expeditionary Force -- 1993-1951 -=-=-=-=-=-=-=- (GEEK CODE 1.0.1) GAT d- -p+(---) c++(++++) l++ u++ e+/* m++(*)@ s-/++ n-(---) h+(*) f+ g+ w++ t++ r++ y+(*) From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Nov 12 19:32:49 1993 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA02718; Fri, 12 Nov 93 19:32:49 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA15332; Fri, 12 Nov 93 19:21:22 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from shiva1.cac.washington.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA15326; Fri, 12 Nov 93 19:21:20 -0800 Received: by shiva1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA25916; Fri, 12 Nov 93 19:21:17 -0800 Date: Fri, 12 Nov 1993 19:21:15 -0800 (PST) From: David L Miller Subject: Re: Single Recipient Distributions To: "Robert A. Hayden" Cc: Pine Info In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Robert, Sure, just hit ^R to get rich headers and put the listname in the Bcc. That way the recipients will only see their own name. Thanks for the interest! --DLM |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA On Fri, 12 Nov 1993, Robert A. Hayden wrote: > Is there a way to produce a distribution listing so that when you mail to > that distribution, it won't have the list of all the people you are > mailing to? > > I have a couple of lists with upwards to 50 people (and growing), and it > gets a little tiring for them to get their daily mailing and have to weed > through two or three pages of names of people who got the same mailing. > > ____ Robert A. Hayden <=> hayden@krypton.mankato.msus.edu > \ /__ -=-=-=-=- <=> -=-=-=-=- > \/ / Finger for Geek Code Info <=> Veteran of the Bermuda Triangle > \/ Finger for PGP 2.3a Public Key <=> Expeditionary Force -- 1993-1951 > -=-=-=-=-=-=-=- > (GEEK CODE 1.0.1) GAT d- -p+(---) c++(++++) l++ u++ e+/* m++(*)@ s-/++ > n-(---) h+(*) f+ g+ w++ t++ r++ y+(*) > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Nov 12 19:39:29 1993 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA02878; Fri, 12 Nov 93 19:39:29 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA15351; Fri, 12 Nov 93 19:27:40 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from Krypton.Mankato.MSUS.EDU by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA15345; Fri, 12 Nov 93 19:27:34 -0800 Received: from localhost (hayden@localhost) by krypton.mankato.msus.edu (8.6.4/8.6.4) id VAA26326; Fri, 12 Nov 1993 21:31:35 -0600 Date: Fri, 12 Nov 1993 21:30:01 -0600 (CST) From: "Robert A. Hayden" Subject: Re: Single Recipient Distributions To: Pine Info In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Fri, 12 Nov 1993, David L Miller wrote: > Sure, just hit ^R to get rich headers and put the listname in the Bcc. > That way the recipients will only see their own name. > > Thanks for the interest! Any chance that a fuuture version will allow this on the normal address line? Remembering to ^R and use Bcc could be a pain. ____ Robert A. Hayden <=> hayden@krypton.mankato.msus.edu \ /__ -=-=-=-=- <=> -=-=-=-=- \/ / Finger for Geek Code Info <=> Veteran of the Bermuda Triangle \/ Finger for PGP 2.3a Public Key <=> Expeditionary Force -- 1993-1951 -=-=-=-=-=-=-=- (GEEK CODE 1.0.1) GAT d- -p+(---) c++(++++) l++ u++ e+/* m++(*)@ s-/++ n-(---) h+(*) f+ g+ w++ t++ r++ y+(*) From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Nov 12 19:51:37 1993 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA03005; Fri, 12 Nov 93 19:51:37 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA15460; Fri, 12 Nov 93 19:38:36 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from shiva2.cac.washington.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA15454; Fri, 12 Nov 93 19:38:31 -0800 Received: by shiva2.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA07969; Fri, 12 Nov 93 19:38:29 -0800 Date: Fri, 12 Nov 1993 19:38:28 -0800 (PST) From: Terry Gray Subject: Re: Single Recipient Distributions To: David L Miller Cc: "Robert A. Hayden" , Pine Info In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Actually, when using BCC, the recipient will see the originator's name (in the From: ) line, but they will not see their own nor any other recipient's name, as there will not be a To: line. -teg On Fri, 12 Nov 1993, David L Miller wrote: > > Robert, > > Sure, just hit ^R to get rich headers and put the listname in the Bcc. > That way the recipients will only see their own name. > > Thanks for the interest! > > --DLM > > |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 > |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) > University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing > 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA > > On Fri, 12 Nov 1993, Robert A. Hayden wrote: > > > Is there a way to produce a distribution listing so that when you mail to > > that distribution, it won't have the list of all the people you are > > mailing to? > > > > I have a couple of lists with upwards to 50 people (and growing), and it > > gets a little tiring for them to get their daily mailing and have to weed > > through two or three pages of names of people who got the same mailing. > > > > ____ Robert A. Hayden <=> hayden@krypton.mankato.msus.edu > > \ /__ -=-=-=-=- <=> -=-=-=-=- > > \/ / Finger for Geek Code Info <=> Veteran of the Bermuda Triangle > > \/ Finger for PGP 2.3a Public Key <=> Expeditionary Force -- 1993-1951 > > -=-=-=-=-=-=-=- > > (GEEK CODE 1.0.1) GAT d- -p+(---) c++(++++) l++ u++ e+/* m++(*)@ s-/++ > > n-(---) h+(*) f+ g+ w++ t++ r++ y+(*) > > > > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Nov 12 20:09:38 1993 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA03167; Fri, 12 Nov 93 20:09:38 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA15587; Fri, 12 Nov 93 20:01:30 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from hermes.acs.ryerson.ca by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA15581; Fri, 12 Nov 93 20:01:22 -0800 Received: by hermes.acs.ryerson.ca (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA21965; Fri, 12 Nov 1993 23:00:13 -0500 Date: Fri, 12 Nov 1993 22:57:12 -0500 (EST) From: Paul Ribeiro Subject: Re: Single Recipient Distributions To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Fri, 12 Nov 1993, Robert A. Hayden wrote: > Any chance that a fuuture version will allow this on the normal address > line? Remembering to ^R and use Bcc could be a pain. on VM, the rice mailbook package will show the first 5 in the list and hide the rest for you so you don't have to page down 10 times to read a 3 line message :-) perhaps a future version of pine could do this? /P From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Nov 13 02:06:50 1993 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA06070; Sat, 13 Nov 93 02:06:50 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA17580; Sat, 13 Nov 93 01:56:37 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from dutw1.wbmt.tudelft.nl by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA17574; Sat, 13 Nov 93 01:56:35 -0800 Received: by dutw1.wbmt.tudelft.nl id AA09328 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for Pine-Info@cac.Washington.edu); Sat, 13 Nov 1993 10:55:52 +0100 Date: Sat, 13 Nov 1993 10:49:04 +0100 (MET) From: Tjeerd Jongeling Subject: addrb-sort, pine.hlp To: "Univ.Wash. Pine Info List" Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII L.S. I have send this request before, probably it's somewere on some network: 1. I would like to sort my (user's) Addressbooks on the first (nick-name) column (in Unix- and PC-Pine as well). 2. I should prefer a small-as-possible pine.hlp, i think some information could be placed in (one or more) separated readme-file(s) such as: If ^C Doesn't Work on a Mac / What is MIME / History and Origin of Pine / Pine x.x update / Pine contributors / Copyright notice ... With kind regards, +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Tjeerd Jongeling # System Manager # E-Mail: Tj.Jongeling@WbMT.TUDelft.NL | | | | Delft University of Technology # The Netherlands | | Faculty of Mechanical Engineering and Marine Technology | | Subfaculty of Design, Production & Organisation # Computer Service Supply | | | | Landbergstraat 3 # 2628 CE Delft # Phone:+31-15-786780 # Fax:+31-15-783910 | +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Nov 13 08:41:38 1993 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA09012; Sat, 13 Nov 93 08:41:38 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA19500; Sat, 13 Nov 93 08:18:37 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from shiva2.cac.washington.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA19494; Sat, 13 Nov 93 08:18:35 -0800 Received: by shiva2.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA16055; Sat, 13 Nov 93 08:18:27 -0800 Date: Sat, 13 Nov 1993 08:18:25 -0800 (PST) From: Terry Gray Subject: Re: addrb-sort, pine.hlp To: Tjeerd Jongeling Cc: "Univ.Wash. Pine Info List" In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Tjeerd, We've put #1 on the ever-growing requested enhancement list, but I'd like to now more about your motivation for #2... (I assume you're referring to pc-pine), but why would you prefer many small help files to one big one? -teg On Sat, 13 Nov 1993, Tjeerd Jongeling wrote: > L.S. > > I have send this request before, probably it's somewere on some network: > > 1. I would like to sort my (user's) Addressbooks on the first (nick-name) > column (in Unix- and PC-Pine as well). > > 2. I should prefer a small-as-possible pine.hlp, i think some information > could be placed in (one or more) separated readme-file(s) such as: > If ^C Doesn't Work on a Mac / What is MIME / History and Origin of Pine / > Pine x.x update / Pine contributors / Copyright notice ... > > With kind regards, > > +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ > | Tjeerd Jongeling # System Manager # E-Mail: Tj.Jongeling@WbMT.TUDelft.NL | > | | > | Delft University of Technology # The Netherlands | > | Faculty of Mechanical Engineering and Marine Technology | > | Subfaculty of Design, Production & Organisation # Computer Service Supply | > | | > | Landbergstraat 3 # 2628 CE Delft # Phone:+31-15-786780 # Fax:+31-15-783910 | > +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ > > > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Nov 13 09:49:50 1993 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA09715; Sat, 13 Nov 93 09:49:50 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA12130; Sat, 13 Nov 93 09:37:06 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from uclink.Berkeley.EDU by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA12124; Sat, 13 Nov 93 09:37:04 -0800 Received: by uclink.berkeley.edu (5.64/1.33(web)-oc) id AA00656; Sat, 13 Nov 93 09:32:02 -0800 Date: Sat, 13 Nov 1993 09:31:29 -0800 (PST) From: Henry Yung-Heng Kuo Subject: Re: comp.mail.pine newsgroup & ftp site ??? (fwd) To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hi there! It might be a stupid question. How can I use pine to connect newsgroup and ftp sites? `~~~~~~ @(0-0) ---------oOO----^---OOo------- ^.^ Henry......... ------------------------------ From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Nov 13 11:03:38 1993 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA10489; Sat, 13 Nov 93 11:03:38 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA12392; Sat, 13 Nov 93 10:57:35 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from bootes.cus.cam.ac.uk by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA12386; Sat, 13 Nov 93 10:57:33 -0800 Received: from bootes.cus.cam.ac.uk [131.111.8.1] (TAP id = bl10) by bootes.cus.cam.ac.uk with smtp (Smail-3.1.28.1 #106) id m0oyQA4-00003OC; Sat, 13 Nov 93 18:57 GMT Date: Sat, 13 Nov 1993 18:56:55 +0000 (GMT) From: Barry Landy Subject: Re: comp.mail.pine newsgroup & ftp site ??? To: Ken Weaverling Cc: Pine Info List In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I would support the new group also. ======================================================================= Barry Landy, Head of Systems and Development, University of Cambridge Computing Service Barry.Landy@ucs.cam.ac.uk 0223-334713 +44-223-334713 From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Nov 13 12:12:48 1993 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA11165; Sat, 13 Nov 93 12:12:48 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA20964; Sat, 13 Nov 93 11:59:07 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from shiva2.cac.washington.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA20958; Sat, 13 Nov 93 11:59:06 -0800 Received: by shiva2.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA18978; Sat, 13 Nov 93 11:59:03 -0800 Date: Sat, 13 Nov 1993 11:59:02 -0800 (PST) From: Terry Gray Reply-To: Terry Gray Subject: Re: comp.mail.pine newsgroup & ftp site ??? (fwd) To: Henry Yung-Heng Kuo Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII On Sat, 13 Nov 1993, Henry Yung-Heng Kuo wrote: > It might be a stupid question. How can I use pine to connect > newsgroup and ftp sites? Henry, Re using Pine to read news: Here is the applicable line from my .pinerc file. Substitute the name of your own news host... news-collections=News *{news.u.washington.edu/nntp}[] Note that this assumes you have a preexisting .newsrc file on the machine where you are running Pine. Pine does not yet have support for posting to newsgroups, nor for subscribing/unsubscribing. If your .newsrc lives on the same machine as the news database, and that machine runs and IMAPd, then you can omit the /nntp and use IMAP to access news. Re FTP sites: In the future we will be announcing an IMAPd that, if run on an anonymous FTP server, will allow Pine users to have convenient access to all the files in that FTP archive (not just the mailboxes in it), but this is not ready yet. -teg From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Nov 13 13:29:32 1993 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA11857; Sat, 13 Nov 93 13:29:32 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA21475; Sat, 13 Nov 93 13:12:12 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from ucdavis.ucdavis.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA21469; Sat, 13 Nov 93 13:12:11 -0800 Received: by ucdavis.ucdavis.edu (4.1/UCD2.05) id AA24824; Sat, 13 Nov 93 13:06:28 PST From: dhzavatson@ucdavis.edu (The Gentleman Loser) Date: Sat, 13 Nov 93 13:06:28 PST Message-Id: <9311132106.AA24824@ucdavis.ucdavis.edu> To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: pine newsgroup Why not gateway this mailing list to a news group in the bit.* hierarchy. That way the same information would be available via the list and the newsgroup. Users could either reveive mail, or they could read the same messages in the newsgroup. --Dave ''' (o o) /----------------------------oOO--(_)--OOo------------------------------------\ | David Zavatson |Mein Schatz, es ist soweit. Unsere Liebe ist vorbei.| |dhzavatson@ucdavis.edu |Ich kann nicht von Dir gehen. Zwei Gefuehle bleiben | | The Gentleman Loser | stehen: Liebe und Hass, sind sich doch so nah. -ECO| \*****************************************************************************/ From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Nov 13 14:23:25 1993 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA12198; Sat, 13 Nov 93 14:23:25 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA13102; Sat, 13 Nov 93 14:13:59 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from CSOS.ORST.EDU by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA13096; Sat, 13 Nov 93 14:13:58 -0800 Received: from [128.193.40.33] (newman.CSOS.ORST.EDU [128.193.40.33]) by CSOS.ORST.EDU (8.6.4/8.6.4) with SMTP id OAA04215 for ; Sat, 13 Nov 1993 14:13:47 -0800 Message-Id: <199311132213.OAA04215@CSOS.ORST.EDU> Date: Sat, 13 Nov 1993 14:16:28 -0800 To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: newmant@CSOS.ORST.EDU (Thomas Andrew Newman) Subject: does Pine 3.85 update a user's .newsrc? Hi, If it can, how does a user set her .pinerc settings? Also, with delete-skips-deleted added to the feature-list, "N" does not skip the next message if it has been marked for deletion. Am I missing something? thanks, Tom ------------------------------------------------------------ Tom Newman Internet: newmant@csos.orst.edu Compuserve: 73057,475 Outside of a dog, a computer is a person's best friend. Inside a dog, it's too dark to type. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Nov 13 14:42:32 1993 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA12404; Sat, 13 Nov 93 14:42:32 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA21868; Sat, 13 Nov 93 14:33:15 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from shiva2.cac.washington.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA21862; Sat, 13 Nov 93 14:33:14 -0800 Received: by shiva2.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA21268; Sat, 13 Nov 93 14:33:10 -0800 Date: Sat, 13 Nov 1993 14:33:08 -0800 (PST) From: Terry Gray Subject: Re: does Pine 3.85 update a user's .newsrc? To: Thomas Andrew Newman Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu In-Reply-To: <199311132213.OAA04215@CSOS.ORST.EDU> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Sat, 13 Nov 1993, Thomas Andrew Newman wrote: > If it can, how does a user set her .pinerc settings? Yes, it can. From an earlier reply on the same subject: Here is the applicable line from my .pinerc file. Substitute the name of your own news host... news-collections=News *{news.u.washington.edu/nntp}[] Note that this assumes you have a preexisting .newsrc file on the machine where you are running Pine. Pine does not yet have support for posting to newsgroups, nor for subscribing/unsubscribing. > Also, with delete-skips-deleted added to the feature-list, "N" does not > skip the next message if it has been marked for deletion. Am I missing > something? You're not missing anything... I guess you are requesting a "next-skips-deleted" option, (but then it becomes more challenging to ever get back to a deleted msg). Note that TAB skips deleted and already seen msgs. -teg From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Nov 14 11:43:40 1993 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA21089; Sun, 14 Nov 93 11:43:40 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA27790; Sun, 14 Nov 93 09:36:09 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from castor.cc.utu.fi by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA27782; Sun, 14 Nov 93 09:35:24 -0800 Received: by utu.fi id <165529-7>; Sun, 14 Nov 1993 19:35:08 +0200 Subject: Re: comp.mail.pine newsgroup & ftp site ??? From: Kari Sutela To: weave@hopi.dtcc.edu (Ken Weaverling) Date: Sun, 14 Nov 1993 19:35:06 +0200 Cc: mramey@u.washington.edu, pine-info@cac.washington.edu In-Reply-To: from "Ken Weaverling" at Nov 12, 93 07:22:42 pm Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Content-Length: 36 Message-Id: <93Nov14.193508eet.165529-7@utu.fi> I'd also support a news group. /KS From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Nov 14 19:54:17 1993 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA24396; Sun, 14 Nov 93 19:54:17 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA18365; Sun, 14 Nov 93 17:55:56 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from elwha.evergreen.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA18359; Sun, 14 Nov 93 17:55:23 -0800 Received: by elwha.evergreen.edu (5.57/Ultrix3.0-C) id AA26951; Sun, 14 Nov 93 17:57:22 -0800 Date: Sun, 14 Nov 1993 17:48:59 -0800 (PST) From: Joe Pollock Subject: Mailing list problems To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Pine - rev. 3.07 We have a user who put a .forward token in his home directory to send mail to another system that he can access from home as a local call. Everything works fine for individual mail. When, however, his local address on our system is included in a distribution list, the entire list breaks. No one on the list seems to get the mail; individuals included as cc: don't get the mail, no error is returned to the originator (the mail is appropriately appended to sent-mail). I have not located any errors in the sendmail logs, although I'm not sure what I should be looking for. I didn't see anything obvious in the .pine-debug files, either. Is this peculiar to 3.07, and fixed in 3.85+? We've been waiting for Pine to be stable for a few weeks before upgrading, and planning to do it during the end-of-quarter break. Joe Pollock The Evergreen State College From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Nov 14 23:32:15 1993 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA26207; Sun, 14 Nov 93 23:32:15 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA19255; Sun, 14 Nov 93 22:24:31 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from discus.technion.ac.il by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA19148; Sun, 14 Nov 93 21:58:09 -0800 Received: from localhost (oved@localhost) by discus.technion.ac.il (8.6.4/8.5) id HAA12265; Mon, 15 Nov 1993 07:57:34 +0200 Date: Mon, 15 Nov 1993 07:44:30 +0200 (EET) From: Oved Ben-Aroya Subject: Re: comp.mail.pine newsgroup & ftp site ??? To: David L Miller Cc: Mike Ramey , pine-info@cac.washington.edu In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Fri, 12 Nov 1993, David L Miller wrote: > > The question or a Pine newsgroup comes up from time to time. Our position is > that we do not object to it, but we cannot supply any additional management > resources for it. I vote for a newsgroup. A smaller, more technically related, mailing list may still be needed. > As far as anonymous ftp access, we will be happy to > distribute contributions. Currently, most of the contributions are rolled > into the source distribution in the contrib directory. Would it be more > beneficial for users if we maintained a separate mail/contrib directory on > ftp.cac.washington.edu? I'd say it depeneds on the volume of contrib directory. > > |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 > |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) > University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing > 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA > > On Fri, 12 Nov 1993, Mike Ramey wrote: > > > There are lots of comp.mail newsgroups. > > It's about time (!) we had a comp.mail.pine newsgroup. > > And an anonymous ftp site for distributed AND contributed files. > > !!! -mr > > > > On Thu, 11 Nov 1993, Joel Ness wrote: > > > I've received quite a few request for copies of our long and short Pine > > > documents (I've also got a short pico handout). > > > > > > Would it be overtaxing things to send out the docs as an enclosure > > > to the whole list? > > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Nov 14 23:32:25 1993 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA26216; Sun, 14 Nov 93 23:32:25 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA19261; Sun, 14 Nov 93 22:24:40 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from log.css.itd.umich.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA19249; Sun, 14 Nov 93 22:24:08 -0800 Received: from stimpy.css.itd.umich.edu by css.itd.umich.edu (5.67/2.2) id AA14682; Mon, 15 Nov 93 01:24:00 -0500 Received: by stimpy.css.itd.umich.edu (5.67/dumb-1.0) id AA14868; Mon, 15 Nov 93 01:23:59 -0500 Date: Mon, 15 Nov 1993 01:14:00 -0500 (EST) From: Alex Tang Subject: POP Mode? To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII ok. this may be an easy question, but I haven't found a way to do it....Is it possible to get pine to work in "POP Mode" (i.e. connect, download mail to local folder, disconnect, read/respond to mail, then reconnect at some later time, and send all new mail on it's way) thanx...alex... Alex Tang --- ALTITUDE@UMICH.EDU...USERW00Y@UMICHUM.BITNET -----------+ U of M, SNRE: Student and Computer Consultant II, PGP on req.| ITD/CSS Consultant, Short asian with long hair :) From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Nov 14 23:33:27 1993 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA26279; Sun, 14 Nov 93 23:33:27 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA02130; Sun, 14 Nov 93 22:42:54 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from shamash.cdc.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA02124; Sun, 14 Nov 93 22:42:20 -0800 Received: by shamash.cdc.com (4.1/SMI-4.0/CDC1.1) id AA29848; Mon, 15 Nov 93 00:42:09 CST Received: by cosmo.twntpe.cdc.com (5.61/1.34) id AA06972; Mon, 15 Nov 93 14:35:03 +0800 Date: Mon, 15 Nov 1993 14:22:29 +0800 (TPE) From: Ed Greshko Subject: Building 3.87 on Sequent... To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hello, I've got a Sequent, when I do a uname I get the following info: SEQUENT SEQUENT 3.2.0 V1.2.5 i386 Also the login shows: DYNIX/ptx(R) V1.2.5 In trying to build pine 3.87 I used "build dyn" and I get: Making c-client library and mtest cc -g -Dconst= -DRSH=\"rsh\" -DRSHPATH=\"/usr/ucb/rsh\" -c os_dyn.c "os_dyn.c", line 68: redeclaration of timezone "os_dyn.c", line 88: unknown size "os_dyn.c", line 89: unknown size "os_dyn.c", line 92: tz_minuteswest undefined "os_dyn.c", line 92: member of structure or union required "os_dyn.c", line 93: member of structure or union required "os_dyn.c", line 93: illegal function "os_dyn.c", line 93: illegal function "os_dyn.c", line 93: warning: illegal pointer/integer combination, op = "os_dyn.c", line 669: warning: illegal pointer/integer combination, op RETURN "os_dyn.c", line 683: warning: illegal pointer/integer combination, op RETURN "os_dyn.c", line 698: warning: illegal pointer/integer combination, op = "os_dyn.c", line 744: redeclaration of memcpy "os_dyn.c", line 761: redeclaration of memmove "os_dyn.c", line 778: redeclaration of memset *** Error code 1 If I use "build ptx" I get a bit further...but still: Making Pine. rm -f os.h ln -s osdep/os-ptx.h os.h ./cmplhlp2.sh < pine.hlp > helptext.h cc -Xo -DPTX -g -DDEBUG -c addrbook.c &25121 cc -Xo -DPTX -g -DDEBUG -c addrutil.c &25122 cc -Xo -DPTX -g -DDEBUG -c adrbklib.c &25123 cc -Xo -DPTX -g -DDEBUG -c args.c &25132 cc -Xo -DPTX -g -DDEBUG -c context.c &25138 cc -Xo -DPTX -g -DDEBUG -c filter.c &25145 cc -Xo -DPTX -g -DDEBUG -c folder.c &25148 "filter.c", line 396: fpos_t undefined "filter.c", line 396: syntax error "filter.c", line 402: syntax error "filter.c", line 430: fpos_t undefined "filter.c", line 430: syntax error "filter.c", line 437: syntax error "filter.c", line 438: syntax error 25145: *** Error code 1 I'm not familiar with the Sequent....so does anyone have the makefiles and .h files I need to build on this system? Regards, Edward M. Greshko Control Data Taiwan Voice: +886-2-715-2222 x287 6/F, 131 Nanking East Road, Section 3 FAX : +886-2-712-9197 Taipei, Taiwan R.O.C From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Nov 14 23:46:32 1993 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA26391; Sun, 14 Nov 93 23:46:32 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA02532; Sun, 14 Nov 93 23:37:24 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from shiva1.cac.washington.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA02525; Sun, 14 Nov 93 23:37:23 -0800 Received: by shiva1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA19390; Sun, 14 Nov 93 23:37:15 -0800 Date: Sun, 14 Nov 1993 23:37:14 -0800 (PST) From: Terry Gray Subject: Re: POP Mode? To: Alex Tang Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Not yet... -teg On Mon, 15 Nov 1993, Alex Tang wrote: > ok. this may be an easy question, but I haven't found a way to do > it....Is it possible to get pine to work in "POP Mode" (i.e. connect, > download mail to local folder, disconnect, read/respond to mail, then > reconnect at some later time, and send all new mail on it's way) > > thanx...alex... > > Alex Tang --- ALTITUDE@UMICH.EDU...USERW00Y@UMICHUM.BITNET > -----------+ U of M, SNRE: Student and Computer Consultant II, > PGP on req.| ITD/CSS Consultant, Short asian with long hair :) > > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Nov 15 00:28:41 1993 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA26790; Mon, 15 Nov 93 00:28:41 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA02646; Sun, 14 Nov 93 23:59:50 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from shiva2.cac.washington.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA02640; Sun, 14 Nov 93 23:59:46 -0800 Received: by shiva2.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA14249; Sun, 14 Nov 93 23:59:40 -0800 Date: Sun, 14 Nov 1993 23:59:40 -0800 (PST) From: Steve Hubert Subject: Re: Mailing list problems To: Joe Pollock Cc: Pine Mission Control {bug reports} , pine-info@cac.washington.edu In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII [This is probably more a question that should go to pine-bugs (a small group of people at Univ. of Wash.) instead of pine-info (lots of people around the world). So I suggest your reply go only to pine-bugs, unless you really wanted the bigger list.] On Sun, 14 Nov 1993, Joe Pollock wrote: > Pine - rev. 3.07 > > We have a user who put a .forward token in his home directory to send mail to > another system that he can access from home as a local call. Everything > works fine for individual mail. I'd like to understand the details a little more. You have userA above with the .forward file. Then userB has a Pine distribution list which contains userA as one of the addressees. If userB sends to that list, no mail is delivered. If userB removes userA from that list, it works. If userB sends to just userA, that works, too. This is true for users other than userB, too. Does this sound like a correct description of the problem? > When, however, his local address on our system is included in a > distribution list, the entire list breaks. No one on the list seems to > get the mail; individuals included as cc: don't get the mail, no error is > returned to the originator (the mail is appropriately appended to sent-mail). > I have not located any errors in the sendmail logs, although I'm not sure > what I should be looking for. > > I didn't see anything obvious in the .pine-debug files, either. > > Is this peculiar to 3.07, and fixed in 3.85+? We've been waiting for Pine > to be stable for a few weeks before upgrading, and planning to do it > during the end-of-quarter break. It is possible that there is some 3.07 bug causing this, though I don't remember anyone having a problem similar to this. If your system is one of the common ones we have made a binary version for, it would be useful to attempt to reproduce the problem with a newer binary. Perhaps you could send us a copy of an address book that exhibits the problem, too. And maybe the sendmail syslogging in the neighborhood of the time when the message is sent. Thanks. > Joe Pollock > The Evergreen State College Steve Hubert Networks and Distributed Computing, Univ. of Washington, Seattle From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Nov 15 00:41:04 1993 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA27005; Mon, 15 Nov 93 00:41:04 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA19663; Mon, 15 Nov 93 00:29:14 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from tomobiki-cho.cac.washington.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA19657; Mon, 15 Nov 93 00:29:12 -0800 Received: from Ikkoku-Kan.Panda.COM by Tomobiki-Cho.CAC.Washington.EDU (NX5.67d/UW-NDC Revision: 2.27.MRC ) id AA17290; Mon, 15 Nov 93 00:29:05 -0800 Received: from localhost by Ikkoku-Kan.Panda.COM (NX5.67c/UW-NDC/Panda Revision: 2.27.MRC ) id AA14633; Mon, 15 Nov 93 00:28:57 -0800 Date: Mon, 15 Nov 1993 00:27:56 -0800 (PST) From: Mark Crispin Subject: re: Building 3.87 on Sequent... To: Ed Greshko Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII You are using PTX, the SysV flavor of Dynix. So you want to use ``build ptx'' instead of ``build dyn''. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Nov 15 01:22:25 1993 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA27618; Mon, 15 Nov 93 01:22:25 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA03178; Mon, 15 Nov 93 01:09:59 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from uwavm.u.washington.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA03172; Mon, 15 Nov 93 01:09:58 -0800 Message-Id: <9311150909.AA03172@mx1.cac.washington.edu> Received: from UWAVM.U.WASHINGTON.EDU by UWAVM.U.WASHINGTON.EDU (IBM VM SMTP V2R1) with BSMTP id 6138; Mon, 15 Nov 93 01:09:02 PST Received: from ETSU.EAST-TENN-ST.EDU by UWAVM.U.WASHINGTON.EDU (Mailer R2.10 ptf008) with BSMTP id 9840; Mon, 15 Nov 93 01:09:01 PST Received: from ETSU.EAST-TENN-ST.EDU (NJE origin CMS2@ETSU) by ETSU.EAST-TENN-ST.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 7130; Mon, 15 Nov 1993 04:08:23 -0500 Date: Mon, 15 Nov 93 03:51:02 EST From: Bill Williams Organization: East Tennessee State University Subject: Re: Single Recipient Distributions To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu In-Reply-To: Message of Fri, 12 Nov 1993 19:38:28 -0800 (PST) from On Fri, 12 Nov 1993 19:38:28 -0800 (PST) you said: >Actually, when using BCC, the recipient will see the originator's name (in >the From: ) line, but they will not see their own nor any other recipient's >name, as there will not be a To: line. Mmmmm.... interesting. I am not an e-mail guru but this tidbit has turned on the "oh, so that's it" light. I am a SysAdmin for several systems here including (this) VM/CMS System and (those) AIX 3.2 Systems where I use pine/pico for MUA. I notice that using my MUA for this system -- RiceMail -- that when a BCC: is used a TO: is required -- meaning that "this item is going to somebody and one or more Blind Carbon Copies are going to some other people" which seems to be a logical operation. (You gotta have an 'original' for there to be carbon copies.) Just for the sake of clarification, RiceMail and pine are not competitive -- pine is no more suitable for VM/CMS than RiceMail would be for unix. They both do a very similar menu-type MUA for each of these non-alike platforms, so I'm *not* saying "why doesn't this MUA work like that MUA". There have been occasions when some undeliverables have fallen to the electronic floor down at the electronic post office and in looking at those items there is not 'To:' -- only 'Apparently-To:' addresses. Is the absence of a 'To:' valid? I should think 'To:' would be required for CC: and/or BCC: operation. Or does it matter to the MTA (Mail Transport Agent) handling delivery? This is not a rhetorical question, nor even a vital one. I'm just curious about this for better understanding. --------------------------------------- Bill Williams -- ETSU Systems Support East Tennessee (615) 929-6853 State University From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Nov 15 01:23:46 1993 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA27654; Mon, 15 Nov 93 01:23:46 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA19833; Mon, 15 Nov 93 01:14:39 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from bootes.cus.cam.ac.uk by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA19827; Mon, 15 Nov 93 01:14:34 -0800 Received: by bootes.cus.cam.ac.uk (Smail-3.1.28.1 #106) id m0oz012-00003RC; Mon, 15 Nov 93 09:14 GMT Date: Mon, 15 Nov 1993 09:13:28 +0000 (GMT) From: Philip Hazel Subject: Re: comp.mail.pine newsgroup & ftp site ??? To: Ken Weaverling Cc: Mike Ramey , pine-info@cac.washington.edu In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Fri, 12 Nov 1993, Ken Weaverling wrote: > BTW, I would support the group. Reading news beats having tons of mail. Hear! Hear! Especially when you have just been away for two weeks... Philip [This somewhat empty message sent to indicate support for a newsgroup.] -- Philip Hazel University Computing Service, ph10@cus.cam.ac.uk New Museums Site, Cambridge CB2 3QG, P.Hazel@ucs.cam.ac.uk England. Phone: +44 223 334714 From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Nov 15 01:29:08 1993 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA27695; Mon, 15 Nov 93 01:29:08 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA03241; Mon, 15 Nov 93 01:18:13 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from shamash.cdc.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA03235; Mon, 15 Nov 93 01:18:10 -0800 Received: by shamash.cdc.com (4.1/SMI-4.0/CDC1.1) id AA00251; Mon, 15 Nov 93 03:10:33 CST Received: by cosmo.twntpe.cdc.com (5.61/1.34) id AA07658; Mon, 15 Nov 93 17:04:22 +0800 Date: Mon, 15 Nov 1993 17:03:26 +0800 (TPE) From: Ed Greshko Subject: re: Building 3.87 on Sequent... To: Mark Crispin Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Mon, 15 Nov 1993, Mark Crispin wrote: > You are using PTX, the SysV flavor of Dynix. So you want to use ``build ptx'' > instead of ``build dyn''. If you read the rest of the message :-) :-) you will see.... If I use "build ptx" I get a bit further...but still: Making Pine. rm -f os.h ln -s osdep/os-ptx.h os.h ./cmplhlp2.sh < pine.hlp > helptext.h cc -Xo -DPTX -g -DDEBUG -c addrbook.c &25121 cc -Xo -DPTX -g -DDEBUG -c addrutil.c &25122 cc -Xo -DPTX -g -DDEBUG -c adrbklib.c &25123 cc -Xo -DPTX -g -DDEBUG -c args.c &25132 cc -Xo -DPTX -g -DDEBUG -c context.c &25138 cc -Xo -DPTX -g -DDEBUG -c filter.c &25145 cc -Xo -DPTX -g -DDEBUG -c folder.c &25148 "filter.c", line 396: fpos_t undefined "filter.c", line 396: syntax error "filter.c", line 402: syntax error "filter.c", line 430: fpos_t undefined "filter.c", line 430: syntax error "filter.c", line 437: syntax error "filter.c", line 438: syntax error 25145: *** Error code 1 Edward M. Greshko Control Data Taiwan Voice: +886-2-715-2222 x287 6/F, 131 Nanking East Road, Section 3 FAX : +886-2-712-9197 Taipei, Taiwan R.O.C From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Nov 15 09:11:08 1993 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA04769; Mon, 15 Nov 93 09:11:08 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA21299; Mon, 15 Nov 93 08:01:43 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from camco2.wa.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA21293; Mon, 15 Nov 93 08:01:41 -0800 Received: by camco1.celestial.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #9) id m0oz6NJ-00038sC; Mon, 15 Nov 93 08:01 PST Message-Id: From: bill@camco1.celestial.com (Bill Campbell) Subject: Re: comp.mail.pine newsgroup & ftp site ??? To: oved@discus.technion.ac.il (Oved Ben-Aroya) Date: Mon, 15 Nov 1993 08:01:57 -0800 (PST) Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu In-Reply-To: from "Oved Ben-Aroya" at Nov 15, 93 07:44:30 am Reply-To: bill@Celestial.COM Organization: Celestial Software, Mercer Island, WA 98040 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL22] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 795 > > I vote for a newsgroup. A smaller, more technically related, mailing > list may still be needed. > I think a news group is fine, but I think the mailing list needs to be kept in its entirety. There are still many people who don't have news available so the mailing list reaches a much larger audience -- particularly since the subject is e-mail. The biz.sco news hierarchy is an excellent example of a small news group that has a bi-directional news gateway to a mailing list. This has been working well for several years, and a large percentage of the readers don't have news access. Bill -- INTERNET: bill@Celestial.COM Bill Campbell; Celestial Software UUCP: uunet!camco!bill 8545 SE 68th Street FAX: (206) 232-9186 Mercer Island, WA 98040; (206) 947-5591 From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Nov 15 10:19:13 1993 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA07199; Mon, 15 Nov 93 10:19:13 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA22004; Mon, 15 Nov 93 10:00:55 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from ULTRIX.UOR.EDU by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA21998; Mon, 15 Nov 93 10:00:52 -0800 Received: by ultrix.uor.edu (5.57/Ultrix3.0-C) id AA23001; Mon, 15 Nov 93 10:02:27 -0800 Date: Mon, 15 Nov 1993 10:00:48 -0800 (PST) From: Sharon Deng Subject: Re: Single Recipient Distributions To: "Robert A. Hayden" Cc: Pine Info In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Fri, 12 Nov 1993, Robert A. Hayden wrote: > Is there a way to produce a distribution listing so that when you mail to > that distribution, it won't have the list of all the people you are > mailing to? > What I did is to mail to one user then blind copy to the distribution listing. Sharon Deng Assistant Director Internet: deng@ultrix.uor.edu Academic Computer Center deng@jccvms.uor.edu University of Redlands Phone: (909)793-2121 x.4963 From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Nov 15 10:35:56 1993 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA07798; Mon, 15 Nov 93 10:35:56 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA09229; Mon, 15 Nov 93 10:06:16 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from shiva1.cac.washington.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA09221; Mon, 15 Nov 93 10:06:14 -0800 Received: by shiva1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA29220; Mon, 15 Nov 93 10:06:07 -0800 Date: Mon, 15 Nov 1993 10:06:03 -0800 (PST) From: David L Miller Subject: Re: Single Recipient Distributions To: Bill Williams Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu In-Reply-To: <9311150909.AA03172@mx1.cac.washington.edu> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Bill, Pine does not complain unless *all* destinations are blank, including "Fcc:" The Fcc-only case is broken in Pine 3.87, but it will be fixed in 3.88. I have not seen any Transport problems with Bcc-only mail... --DLM |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA On Mon, 15 Nov 1993, Bill Williams wrote: > On Fri, 12 Nov 1993 19:38:28 -0800 (PST) you said: > >Actually, when using BCC, the recipient will see the originator's name (in > >the From: ) line, but they will not see their own nor any other recipient's > >name, as there will not be a To: line. > > Mmmmm.... interesting. I am not an e-mail guru but this tidbit has > turned on the "oh, so that's it" light. I am a SysAdmin for several > systems here including (this) VM/CMS System and (those) AIX 3.2 Systems > where I use pine/pico for MUA. > > I notice that using my MUA for this system -- RiceMail -- that when a > BCC: is used a TO: is required -- meaning that "this item is going to > somebody and one or more Blind Carbon Copies are going to some other > people" which seems to be a logical operation. (You gotta have an > 'original' for there to be carbon copies.) Just for the sake of > clarification, RiceMail and pine are not competitive -- pine is no more > suitable for VM/CMS than RiceMail would be for unix. They both do a > very similar menu-type MUA for each of these non-alike platforms, so I'm > *not* saying "why doesn't this MUA work like that MUA". > > There have been occasions when some undeliverables have fallen to the > electronic floor down at the electronic post office and in looking at > those items there is not 'To:' -- only 'Apparently-To:' addresses. > > Is the absence of a 'To:' valid? I should think 'To:' would be required > for CC: and/or BCC: operation. Or does it matter to the MTA (Mail > Transport Agent) handling delivery? > > This is not a rhetorical question, nor even a vital one. I'm just > curious about this for better understanding. > > --------------------------------------- > Bill Williams -- ETSU Systems Support > East > Tennessee (615) 929-6853 > State > University From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Nov 15 10:46:51 1993 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA08186; Mon, 15 Nov 93 10:46:51 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA08905; Mon, 15 Nov 93 09:51:43 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from shiva1.cac.washington.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA08899; Mon, 15 Nov 93 09:51:41 -0800 Received: by shiva1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA28412; Mon, 15 Nov 93 09:51:34 -0800 Date: Mon, 15 Nov 1993 09:51:06 -0800 (PST) From: David L Miller Subject: Re: Building 3.87 on Sequent... To: Ed Greshko Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Ed, Pine 3.88 will include a "pt1" port which I put together on a PTX 1.4 system. Hopefully it will work on your 1.2 system... --DLM |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA On Mon, 15 Nov 1993, Ed Greshko wrote: > Hello, > > I've got a Sequent, when I do a uname I get the following info: > > SEQUENT SEQUENT 3.2.0 V1.2.5 i386 > > Also the login shows: DYNIX/ptx(R) V1.2.5 > > In trying to build pine 3.87 I used "build dyn" and I get: > > Making c-client library and mtest > cc -g -Dconst= -DRSH=\"rsh\" -DRSHPATH=\"/usr/ucb/rsh\" -c os_dyn.c > "os_dyn.c", line 68: redeclaration of timezone > "os_dyn.c", line 88: unknown size > "os_dyn.c", line 89: unknown size > "os_dyn.c", line 92: tz_minuteswest undefined > "os_dyn.c", line 92: member of structure or union required > "os_dyn.c", line 93: member of structure or union required > "os_dyn.c", line 93: illegal function > "os_dyn.c", line 93: illegal function > "os_dyn.c", line 93: warning: illegal pointer/integer combination, op = > "os_dyn.c", line 669: warning: illegal pointer/integer combination, op RETURN > "os_dyn.c", line 683: warning: illegal pointer/integer combination, op RETURN > "os_dyn.c", line 698: warning: illegal pointer/integer combination, op = > "os_dyn.c", line 744: redeclaration of memcpy > "os_dyn.c", line 761: redeclaration of memmove > "os_dyn.c", line 778: redeclaration of memset > *** Error code 1 > > > If I use "build ptx" I get a bit further...but still: > > Making Pine. > rm -f os.h > ln -s osdep/os-ptx.h os.h > ./cmplhlp2.sh < pine.hlp > helptext.h > cc -Xo -DPTX -g -DDEBUG -c addrbook.c &25121 > cc -Xo -DPTX -g -DDEBUG -c addrutil.c &25122 > cc -Xo -DPTX -g -DDEBUG -c adrbklib.c &25123 > cc -Xo -DPTX -g -DDEBUG -c args.c &25132 > cc -Xo -DPTX -g -DDEBUG -c context.c &25138 > cc -Xo -DPTX -g -DDEBUG -c filter.c &25145 > cc -Xo -DPTX -g -DDEBUG -c folder.c &25148 > "filter.c", line 396: fpos_t undefined > "filter.c", line 396: syntax error > "filter.c", line 402: syntax error > "filter.c", line 430: fpos_t undefined > "filter.c", line 430: syntax error > "filter.c", line 437: syntax error > "filter.c", line 438: syntax error > > 25145: *** Error code 1 > > > I'm not familiar with the Sequent....so does anyone have the > makefiles and .h files I need to build on this system? > > Regards, > > > Edward M. Greshko Control Data Taiwan > Voice: +886-2-715-2222 x287 6/F, 131 Nanking East Road, Section 3 > FAX : +886-2-712-9197 Taipei, Taiwan R.O.C > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Nov 15 11:25:45 1993 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA09334; Mon, 15 Nov 93 11:25:45 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA10553; Mon, 15 Nov 93 10:59:09 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from shiva1.cac.washington.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA10547; Mon, 15 Nov 93 10:59:08 -0800 Received: by shiva1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA01844; Mon, 15 Nov 93 10:58:59 -0800 Date: Mon, 15 Nov 1993 10:58:58 -0800 (PST) From: Steve Hubert Subject: Re: Single Recipient Distributions To: Bill Williams Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu In-Reply-To: <9311150909.AA03172@mx1.cac.washington.edu> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Mon, 15 Nov 1993, Bill Williams wrote: > There have been occasions when some undeliverables have fallen to the > electronic floor down at the electronic post office and in looking at > those items there is not 'To:' -- only 'Apparently-To:' addresses. The Apparently-To is added by sendmail, which is trying to be helpful, I guess. It is not a standard. We've disabled this feature in our sendmail. > Is the absence of a 'To:' valid? I should think 'To:' would be required > for CC: and/or BCC: operation. Or does it matter to the MTA (Mail > Transport Agent) handling delivery? The absence of a To is valid. RFC822 says you need at least one destination address, which can be a bcc. RFC821 doesn't really care about headers at all, it just cares about envelope addresses, which you certainly do have in this case. Steve Hubert Networks and Distributed Computing, Univ. of Washington, Seattle From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Nov 15 13:53:15 1993 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA13511; Mon, 15 Nov 93 13:53:15 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA13367; Mon, 15 Nov 93 13:36:06 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from shiva1.cac.washington.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA13361; Mon, 15 Nov 93 13:36:05 -0800 Received: by shiva1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA08413; Mon, 15 Nov 93 13:35:41 -0800 Date: Mon, 15 Nov 1993 13:35:38 -0800 (PST) From: David L Miller Subject: Re: pine 3.87 on Ultrix 3.1 To: "Sunjay T. Bedi" Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sunjay, We used to include a "ul3" port, but it was so far out of date that we dropped it. The newest version of the ul3 port I see in our archives is for Pine2.30 :( At this point it would be easier to start over... Sorry I don't have better news. --DLM |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA On Mon, 1 Nov 1993, Sunjay T. Bedi wrote: > > Has anyone port/compiled this? > > ========================================================= > Sunjay T. Bedi, (519)888-4567, ext. 5297 /\ /\ > stbedi@peacock.uwaterloo.ca / \ / \ > University of Waterloo /____\/____\ > ========================================================= > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Nov 15 14:23:12 1993 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA14356; Mon, 15 Nov 93 14:23:12 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA13942; Mon, 15 Nov 93 14:07:38 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from shiva1.cac.washington.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA13936; Mon, 15 Nov 93 14:07:37 -0800 Received: by shiva1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA09428; Mon, 15 Nov 93 14:07:28 -0800 Date: Mon, 15 Nov 1993 14:07:24 -0800 (PST) From: David L Miller Subject: Re: Pine bug! To: Chris Dunphy Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Chris, Sorry about the abysmal response time. Pine does not require any of the address fields to be filled in. It is quite common for users to send mail with only the Bcc: field when sending to large distribution lists. Can you be a bit more specific about what problems you are having? A copy of a bounced message would be quite helpful. Thanks for the report! --DLM |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA On Thu, 30 Sep 1993, Chris Dunphy wrote: > > Pine will let you send mail with no "to:" field, causing bad things to > happen and postmaster to get mail. Is there a way to make pine check to > be sure there is a non-null to: field before sending mail? > > Chris Dunphy > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Nov 15 14:33:08 1993 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA14712; Mon, 15 Nov 93 14:33:08 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA14063; Mon, 15 Nov 93 14:16:05 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from shiva1.cac.washington.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA14057; Mon, 15 Nov 93 14:16:04 -0800 Received: by shiva1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA09846; Mon, 15 Nov 93 14:15:52 -0800 Date: Mon, 15 Nov 1993 14:15:46 -0800 (PST) From: David L Miller Subject: Re: pine 3.86 To: Laurie Cuthbert Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu, A.P.Martin@qmw.ac.uk In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Laurie, Apologies for the abysmal response time. The problem with this approach is that only IMAP clients compiled with your changes will be able to use your rimapd. This will become more serious if you want to use commercial clients that do not come with source in the future. With that in mind, I am afraid we must pass on this change. Thanks for the suggestion! --DLM |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA On Fri, 1 Oct 1993, Laurie Cuthbert wrote: > A suggestion for the next maintenance release - could we make the > location of rimapd configureable in the "build" > > We like to keep locally installed stuff separate and hence install in > /usr/local/sbin. > > At present we edit the source, but a configuration option would be tidier. > > Regards > > Laurie Cuthbert > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Nov 15 16:13:44 1993 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA18357; Mon, 15 Nov 93 16:13:44 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA16077; Mon, 15 Nov 93 15:56:35 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from shiva1.cac.washington.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA16069; Mon, 15 Nov 93 15:56:33 -0800 Received: by shiva1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA15104; Mon, 15 Nov 93 15:56:25 -0800 Date: Mon, 15 Nov 1993 15:56:22 -0800 (PST) From: David L Miller Subject: Re: pine/pico file inclusion To: Jack Churchill Cc: pine mailing list In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Jack, This is on the list of future enhancements. Thanks for the suggestion! --DLM |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA On Wed, 27 Oct 1993, Jack Churchill wrote: > A nice feature found in some other editors is the ability to use wild > cards when specifying the filename at the ^R (read file) option. A screen > similar to the ^T (to files) option should then appear for selection > unless there's only one file that matches anyway. > > Jack N. Churchill | Jack.Churchill@dem.csiro.au > CSIRO Division of Exploration and Mining | churchill@decus.com.au > PO Box 136 North Ryde NSW 2113 | Phone: +61 2 887 8884 > Australia | Fax: +61 2 887 8921 > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Nov 15 22:58:44 1993 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA26040; Mon, 15 Nov 93 22:58:44 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA21608; Mon, 15 Nov 93 22:36:01 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from shiva2.cac.washington.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA21602; Mon, 15 Nov 93 22:36:00 -0800 Received: by shiva2.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA09436; Mon, 15 Nov 93 22:35:47 -0800 Date: Mon, 15 Nov 1993 22:35:46 -0800 (PST) From: David L Miller Subject: Re: Things for 3.88? To: Dave King Cc: Pine Information In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Dave, The initial-keystroke-list is a fairly new feature and still needs some polish as you have found. It should continue to improve over the next several versions. We will have a more appropriate 'new pine version' message for Pine 3.88. Thanks for the report! --DLM |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA On Fri, 29 Oct 1993, Dave King wrote: > initial-keystroke-list > ---------------------- > When setting initial-keystroke in .pinerc to present mail sorted by arrival > (reversed to get new messages at top of index) as in: > > initial-keystroke-list=i,$,r > > Gives rise to the following `error' : > > Can't mix characters and function keys in > "initial-keystroke-list", skipping. > > If, however, the `$' is quoted with `\' as in > > initial-keystroke-list=i,\$,r > > Pine behaves as expected. > > > New version message > ------------------- > It would be helpful to reserve the `new pine version' welcome message for > versions of Pine that are FUNCTIONALLY different from previous versions > because displaying this message for `maintenance' releases may lead to > confusion, i.e. a user asking "What's new in this version?". > > > > Dave > > PS I forgot to mention the above points are Pine 3.87 on DYNIX/ptx 2.0.4, > but I suspect are generic. > ------------------------------------------------------------------- > Dave King, Admin. Computing Services Manager, University of Bristol > Dave.King@uk.ac.Bristol (JANET) Dave.King@Bristol.ac.uk (INTERNET) > > > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Nov 15 23:52:11 1993 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA26727; Mon, 15 Nov 93 23:52:11 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA22085; Mon, 15 Nov 93 23:33:32 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from shiva2.cac.washington.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA22079; Mon, 15 Nov 93 23:33:31 -0800 Received: by shiva2.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA10003; Mon, 15 Nov 93 23:33:25 -0800 Date: Mon, 15 Nov 1993 23:33:23 -0800 (PST) From: David L Miller Subject: Re: Wastebasket option? To: James Dryfoos- Postmaster Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu In-Reply-To: <01H4KJF94HXG0009F0@mc.duke.edu> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII James, This feature is on the enhancement list for consideration in a future release of Pine. Stay tuned for further information. --DLM |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA On Tue, 26 Oct 1993, James Dryfoos- Postmaster wrote: > I am used to several email systems that use a wastbasket for deleted messages. > This wastebasket holds deleted messages for either a period of time (specified) > or until manually purged. The wastebasket is just a folder which one can go > back to and reread a deleted message. > I like this feature and have not found this in Pine. > Have I just missed it? If not, I would like to suggest it is a future option. > > > -- Jim From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Nov 16 00:46:39 1993 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA27190; Tue, 16 Nov 93 00:46:39 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA22572; Tue, 16 Nov 93 00:27:10 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from omega.qmw.ac.uk by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA22566; Tue, 16 Nov 93 00:27:08 -0800 Received: from osprey.elec.qmw.ac.uk by omega.qmw.ac.uk with SMTP-DNS (PP) id <06933-0@omega.qmw.ac.uk>; Tue, 16 Nov 1993 08:20:25 +0000 Received: by osprey.elec.qmw.ac.uk (Smail3.1-QMW-EE) id m0ozLkT-00022QC; Tue, 16 Nov 93 08:26 GMT Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1993 08:26:08 +0000 (GMT) From: Laurie Cuthbert Subject: Re: pine 3.86 To: David L Miller Cc: Laurie Cuthbert , pine-info@cac.washington.edu, A.P.Martin@qmw.ac.uk In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII OK - but it would be nice if all applications were configurable as to where the rimap daemon is located. Laurie On Mon, 15 Nov 1993, David L Miller wrote: > > Laurie, > > Apologies for the abysmal response time. The problem with this approach is > that only IMAP clients compiled with your changes will be able to use your > rimapd. This will become more serious if you want to use commercial clients > that do not come with source in the future. With that in mind, I am afraid > we must pass on this change. > > Thanks for the suggestion! > > --DLM > > |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 > |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) > University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing > 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA > > On Fri, 1 Oct 1993, Laurie Cuthbert wrote: > > > A suggestion for the next maintenance release - could we make the > > location of rimapd configureable in the "build" > > > > We like to keep locally installed stuff separate and hence install in > > /usr/local/sbin. > > > > At present we edit the source, but a configuration option would be tidier. > > > > Regards > > > > Laurie Cuthbert > > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Nov 16 06:10:13 1993 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA01135; Tue, 16 Nov 93 06:10:13 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA24628; Tue, 16 Nov 93 05:48:05 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from gopher.bath.ac.uk by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA24622; Tue, 16 Nov 93 05:48:01 -0800 Received: from midge.bath.ac.uk by tamarin.bath.ac.uk with SMTP (PP) id <17461-0@tamarin.bath.ac.uk>; Tue, 16 Nov 1993 13:20:40 +0000 Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1993 13:14:28 +0000 (GMT) From: Andy Powell Subject: MMDF format mailboxes To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I want to get Pine 3.87 to access my MMDF format mailbox(es) (i.e. mailboxes where messages are separated by 2 rows of 4 CTRL-A's). The c-client code appears to support such mailboxes but when I set inbox-path=~/.mail where ~/.mail is an MMDF format mailbox, I just get /u/cc/s/ccsap/.mail is not a folder when I run pine. Any ideas? Andy Powell. -- BUCS, University of Bath, Bath, BA2 7AY, UK +44 225 826485 A.Powell@bath.ac.uk From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Nov 16 08:52:06 1993 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA03989; Tue, 16 Nov 93 08:52:06 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA28255; Tue, 16 Nov 93 08:31:04 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from tomobiki-cho.cac.washington.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA28249; Tue, 16 Nov 93 08:31:03 -0800 Received: from localhost by Tomobiki-Cho.CAC.Washington.EDU (NX5.67d/UW-NDC Revision: 2.27.MRC ) id AA18874; Tue, 16 Nov 93 08:30:23 -0800 Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1993 08:22:43 -0800 (PST) From: Mark Crispin Subject: re: MMDF format mailboxes To: Andy Powell Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Hi - In order to enable MMDF support, you need to add a mail_link(&mmdfdriver) call in pine.c. You will probably have to do some other hacking as well; at the present time the bezerkdriver and the mmdfdriver do not tolerate each other very well. Also, it isn't clear how well the mmdfdriver actually works; it is contributed code. I have recently spent a great deal of effort with c-client (it's now available with IMAP toolkit 3.2, mail/imap-3.2.tar.Z on ftp.cac.washington.edu) to get mmdfdriver and bezerkdriver to co-exist and a number of other highly desirable internal improvements. This doesn't answer whether or not the mmdfdriver actually works (I don't know, not having an MMDF system to play with), but it should make experimentation with MMDF format much easier. This required some rather large changes throughout c-client and therefore this *won't* be in Pine 3.88. I have high hopes for Pine 3.89... You can try substituting the c-client from IMAP toolkit 3.2 in place of the c- client that comes with Pine, but note that this is an unsupported configuration. Also note that IMAP toolkit 3.2 is still very new and experimental and is not at all stable. We aren't even running it in-house; my machine at home is presently the only machine using it! From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Nov 16 08:57:13 1993 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA04108; Tue, 16 Nov 93 08:57:13 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA26375; Tue, 16 Nov 93 08:40:35 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from shiva1.cac.washington.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA26369; Tue, 16 Nov 93 08:40:33 -0800 Received: by shiva1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA02636; Tue, 16 Nov 93 08:39:45 -0800 Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1993 08:39:44 -0800 (PST) From: David L Miller Subject: Re: MMDF format mailboxes To: Andy Powell Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII C-client does indeed have a contributed MMDF port, but unfortunately it does not co-exist peacefully with the bezerk driver. To add it to Pine, edit pine/pine.c and replace the line mail_link((DRIVER *)&bezerkdriver); with mail_link((DRIVER *)&mmdfdriver); Please note that we do not have any MMDF systems here and have done no direct testing of the code. There has been some question in the past about variations in the MMDF format, so be aware of that. Good Luck! --DLM |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA On Tue, 16 Nov 1993, Andy Powell wrote: > I want to get Pine 3.87 to access my MMDF format mailbox(es) (i.e. > mailboxes where messages are separated by 2 rows of 4 CTRL-A's). The > c-client code appears to support such mailboxes but when I set > > inbox-path=~/.mail > > where ~/.mail is an MMDF format mailbox, I just get > > /u/cc/s/ccsap/.mail is not a folder > > when I run pine. Any ideas? > > Andy Powell. > -- > BUCS, University of Bath, Bath, BA2 7AY, UK > +44 225 826485 > A.Powell@bath.ac.uk > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Nov 16 18:01:25 1993 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA20878; Tue, 16 Nov 93 18:01:25 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA07505; Tue, 16 Nov 93 17:09:49 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from medusa.unm.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA07499; Tue, 16 Nov 93 17:09:48 -0800 Received: from MEDUSA.UNM.EDU by MEDUSA.UNM.EDU (PMDF V4.2-14 #5028) id <01H5E4C9NIEO0002LB@MEDUSA.UNM.EDU>; Tue, 16 Nov 1993 18:10:15 MDT Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1993 18:08:39 -0600 (MDT) From: "Stephen F. Day [Med Ctr Comp Svcs]" Subject: Posting to newsgroups from PC-Pine To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Cc: "Stephen F. Day [Med Ctr Comp Svcs]" Message-Id: <01H5E525X40C0002LB@MEDUSA.UNM.EDU> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT This is probably in the Pine FAQ and I would look there if I knew where it was... so please forgive me for asking the following: How does one post messages to USENET newsgroups from PC-Pine? Thank you. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Stephen F. Day (SFD7) AT&TNET: (505) 277-1698 Director BITNET/CREN: SDAY@MEDUSA Medical Ctr Computer Services INTERNET: sday@medusa.UNM.EDU University of New Mexico TECHNET: UNMSDAY =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Nov 16 18:02:02 1993 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA20914; Tue, 16 Nov 93 18:02:02 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA01198; Tue, 16 Nov 93 16:58:45 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from kenya.isu.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA01192; Tue, 16 Nov 93 16:58:37 -0800 Message-Id: <9311170058.AA01192@mx2.cac.washington.edu> Received: by kenya.isu.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA22100; Tue, 16 Nov 93 17:58:31 -0700 To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: HP Terminal support for PINE and PICO -- Patch Included Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1993 17:58:30 -0700 From: Daniel Simmons OK. I finally got around to patching up pine and pico so that they will work (mostly) with HP-type terminals. There are two basic problems with HP terminals: 1. Arrow keys -- The contributed patch supplied with the latest releases of pine helps here but didn't quite fix all my problems. 2. Use of reverse video -- HP terminals use "magic cookies" to mark where display enhancements (reverse, bold, underline, etc.) start and stop on a particular line. They DO NOT work in a stream oriented mode like dec terminals (and the rest of the world). This means that if you want a particular region of the screen to be in reverse, you must: - move to the target location (DO THIS FIRST) - turn on reverse video - write the stuff - turn off reverse video (do this BEFORE moving away) - move to next location Pine and pico were built on a very different set of assumptions about how terminals work. (You can detect the mutant HP terminal stuff by looking for xs in termcap or xhp in terminfo.) So, I jumped into the code and hacked things a bit. The patch included below will fix 90% of the problems. Unfortunately, most of the changes are MAJOR hacks. The terminal library for pine incorporates move to a location and print into one routine expecting to turn reverse on and off from outside that routine. My solution was to add extra moves before turning reverse on and off. The results: - Pine seems to work great from both HP and other terminals. - Other terminals will have two or three extra (useless) bytes sent on occasion, but this seems relatively minor. - Pico occasionally screws up the highlighting of blocks (it also has a rather annoying tendancy to loose the mark, but I'm not so sure that I introduced this one). - Pico only highlights the first character during spell checks instead of the whole word. - Standalone pico has a very slightly different "modified" message displayed in the titlebar which hides a reverse glitch. (You wouldn't notice if I didn't tell you, but you might wonder why in the world I modified that particular message.) Shameless plea to the wonderful maintainers of pine (was that obsequious enough? :-): Is there any way we could work together to incorporate more general versions of these patches into the actual pine code so that they will be present in future releases? The code in these patches could have been written much better, but that would have required restructuring your terminal i/o libs... I just wanted to make the minimal changes to get it working (proof of concept?). Enough of all that. Here are the patches. Use at your own risk. Oh, by the way, I #ifdef'd everything with the symbol HPTERM_SUPPORT. So, I also am including patches to makefile.hpp in the pine and pico subdirectories which add -DHPTERM_SUPPORT to the C compiler flags. For curiosity sake... If you use these patches, would you please drop me an email to let me know. Thanks. ---------------- cut here ----------------- diff -c ../pine-3.87-clean/pico/composer.c pico/composer.c *** ../pine-3.87-clean/pico/composer.c Tue Nov 16 14:48:52 1993 --- pico/composer.c Tue Nov 16 14:56:23 1993 *************** *** 1907,1913 **** --- 1907,1919 ---- movecursor(i, 0); if(state) (*term.t_rev)(1); + #ifndef HPTERM_SUPPORT + #else + else + (*term.t_rev)(0); + + #endif /* HPTERM_SUPPORT */ while(bufp[1] != '\0') /* putc upto last char */ pputc(*bufp++, 1); diff -c ../pine-3.87-clean/pico/display.c pico/display.c *** ../pine-3.87-clean/pico/display.c Tue Nov 16 14:48:52 1993 --- pico/display.c Tue Nov 16 16:00:48 1993 *************** *** 992,998 **** #endif if ((bp->b_flag&BFCHG) != 0) /* "MOD" if changed. */ ! cp = "Modified "; else cp = " "; --- 992,998 ---- #endif if ((bp->b_flag&BFCHG) != 0) /* "MOD" if changed. */ ! cp = "*Modified*"; else cp = " "; *************** *** 2151,2154 **** wstripe(term.t_nrow-i,0,s,'~'); } } - --- 2151,2153 ---- diff -c ../pine-3.87-clean/pico/makefile.hpp pico/makefile.hpp *** ../pine-3.87-clean/pico/makefile.hpp Tue Nov 16 14:48:57 1993 --- pico/makefile.hpp Tue Nov 16 15:35:51 1993 *************** *** 40,50 **** # #includes symbol info for debugging ! DASHO= -g #for normal build ! #DASHO= -O ! CFLAGS= -Dhpp -DPOSIX -DJOB_CONTROL # switches for library building LIBCMD= ar --- 40,50 ---- # #includes symbol info for debugging ! #DASHO= -g #for normal build ! DASHO= -O ! CFLAGS= -Dhpp -DPOSIX -DJOB_CONTROL -DHPTERM_SUPPORT # switches for library building LIBCMD= ar *************** *** 90,93 **** clean: rm -f *.a *.o *~ osdep.c osdep.h - --- 90,92 ---- diff -c ../pine-3.87-clean/pico/spell.c pico/spell.c *** ../pine-3.87-clean/pico/spell.c Tue Nov 16 14:49:04 1993 --- pico/spell.c Tue Nov 16 14:56:24 1993 *************** *** 163,168 **** --- 163,171 ---- curwp->w_flag |= WFMOVE; /* put cursor back */ update(); + #ifdef HPTERM_SUPPORT + (*term.t_rev)(0); + #endif /* HPTERM_SUPPORT */ pputs(wb, 0); /* un-highlight */ switch(status){ diff -c ../pine-3.87-clean/pico/tcap.c pico/tcap.c *** ../pine-3.87-clean/pico/tcap.c Tue Nov 16 14:49:05 1993 --- pico/tcap.c Tue Nov 16 16:00:17 1993 *************** *** 98,103 **** --- 98,106 ---- char *KU, *KD, *KL, *KR; char *KPPU, *KPPD, *KPHOME, *KPEND; + #ifdef HPTERM_SUPPORT + char *KS, *KE; /* start and end keypad mode (HP terminals) */ + #endif /* HPTERM_SUPPORT */ struct KBSTREE *kpadseqs = NULL; *************** *** 180,185 **** --- 183,192 ---- SR = tgetstr("sr", &p); TI = tgetstr("ti", &p); TE = tgetstr("te", &p); + #ifdef HPTERM_SUPPORT + KS = tgetstr("ks", &p); + KE = tgetstr("ke", &p); + #endif /* HPTERM_SUPPORT */ eolexist = (CE != NULL); /* will we be able to use clear to EOL? */ revexist = (SO != NULL); *************** *** 316,326 **** --- 323,343 ---- if (CS != NULL) putpad(tgoto(CS, term.t_nrow, 0)) ; } + #ifdef HPTERM_SUPPORT + + if(KS) /* enter keypad transmit mode */ + putpad(KS); + #endif /* HPTERM_SUPPORT */ } tcapclose() { + #ifdef HPTERM_SUPPORT + if(KS && KE) /* get out of keypad transmit mode */ + putpad(KE); + + #endif /* HPTERM_SUPPORT */ if(!Pmaster){ if(gmode&MDFKEY) puts("\033[99l"); /* reset UW-NCSA telnet keys */ *************** *** 570,575 **** --- 587,593 ---- tcaprev(state) /* change reverse video status */ int state; /* FALSE = normal video, TRUE = reverse video */ { + #ifndef HPTERM_SUPPORT static int cstate = FALSE; if(state == cstate) /* no op if already set! */ *************** *** 576,581 **** --- 594,601 ---- return(0); if(cstate = state){ /* remember last setting */ + #else + if(state == TRUE){ if (SO != NULL) putpad(SO); } *************** *** 583,588 **** --- 603,609 ---- if (SE != NULL) putpad(SE); } + #endif /* HPTERM_SUPPORT */ } diff -c ../pine-3.87-clean/pine/addrbook.c pine/addrbook.c *** ../pine-3.87-clean/pine/addrbook.c Tue Nov 16 14:47:47 1993 --- pine/addrbook.c Tue Nov 16 14:56:26 1993 *************** *** 482,496 **** --- 482,510 ---- case Single: if(field == 0 || field == 1) { + #ifdef HPTERM_SUPPORT + MoveCursor(line, 0); + #endif /* HPTERM_SUPPORT */ if(cursor == 1) StartInverse(); + #ifdef HPTERM_SUPPORT + else + EndInverse(); + #endif /* HPTERM_SUPPORT */ PutLine1(line, 0, col1_control, ab_disp->abe->nickname); if(cursor == 1) EndInverse(); } if((field == 0 || field == 2) && col2_width != 0) { + #ifdef HPTERM_SUPPORT + MoveCursor(line, col1_width + 1); + #endif /* HPTERM_SUPPORT */ if(cursor == 2) StartInverse(); + #ifdef HPTERM_SUPPORT + else + EndInverse(); + #endif /* HPTERM_SUPPORT */ PutLine1(line, col1_width + 1, col2_control, ab_disp->abe->fullname); if(cursor == 2) *************** *** 497,504 **** --- 511,525 ---- EndInverse(); } if((field == 0 || field == 3) && col3_width != 0) { + #ifdef HPTERM_SUPPORT + MoveCursor(line, col3_pos); + #endif /* HPTERM_SUPPORT */ if(cursor == 3) StartInverse(); + #ifdef HPTERM_SUPPORT + else + EndInverse(); + #endif /* HPTERM_SUPPORT */ PutLine1(line, col3_pos, col3_control,ab_disp->abe->addr.addr); if(cursor == 3) EndInverse(); *************** *** 507,521 **** --- 528,556 ---- case ListHead: if(field == 0 || field == 1) { + #ifdef HPTERM_SUPPORT + MoveCursor(line, 0); + #endif /* HPTERM_SUPPORT */ if(cursor == 1) StartInverse(); + #ifdef HPTERM_SUPPORT + else + EndInverse(); + #endif /* HPTERM_SUPPORT */ PutLine1(line, 0, col1_control, ab_disp->abe->nickname); if(cursor == 1) EndInverse(); } if((field == 0 || field == 2) && col2_width != 0) { + #ifdef HPTERM_SUPPORT + MoveCursor(line, col1_width+1); + #endif /* HPTERM_SUPPORT */ if(cursor == 2) StartInverse(); + #ifdef HPTERM_SUPPORT + else + EndInverse(); + #endif /* HPTERM_SUPPORT */ PutLine1(line, col1_width+ 1, col2_control, ab_disp->abe->fullname); if(cursor == 2) *************** *** 536,543 **** --- 571,585 ---- } } if(col3_width != 0) { + #ifdef HPTERM_SUPPORT + MoveCursor(line, col3_pos); + #endif /* HPTERM_SUPPORT */ if(cursor != 0) StartInverse(); + #ifdef HPTERM_SUPPORT + else + EndInverse(); + #endif /* HPTERM_SUPPORT */ PutLine1(line, col3_pos, col3_control, ab_disp->addr_in_list); if(cursor != 0) EndInverse(); diff -c ../pine-3.87-clean/pine/folder.c pine/folder.c *** ../pine-3.87-clean/pine/folder.c Tue Nov 16 14:48:11 1993 --- pine/folder.c Tue Nov 16 14:56:28 1993 *************** *** 755,760 **** --- 755,764 ---- for(tc = fs.context_list; tc ; tc = tc->next) free_folders_in_context(tc); + #ifdef HPTERM_SUPPORT + ps->mangled_header = 1; + + #endif /* HPTERM_SUPPORT */ return(0); *************** *** 1058,1065 **** --- 1062,1076 ---- if((f = folder_entry(index, context->folders))->name == NULL) return; + #ifdef HPTERM_SUPPORT + MoveCursor(FIRST_DLINE + (f->d_line - fd->top_row), f->d_col); + #endif /* HPTERM_SUPPORT */ if(hilite) StartInverse(); + #ifdef HPTERM_SUPPORT + else + EndInverse(); + #endif /* HPTERM_SUPPORT */ if(context->type&FTYPE_BBOARD){ sprintf(tmp_20k_buf, "%s%s", f->prefix, diff -c ../pine-3.87-clean/pine/mailindx.c pine/mailindx.c *** ../pine-3.87-clean/pine/mailindx.c Tue Nov 16 14:47:37 1993 --- pine/mailindx.c Tue Nov 16 14:56:30 1993 *************** *** 370,379 **** --- 370,390 ---- (*build_header_line(state->current_sorted_msgno)=='+') ? (void *) '+': (void *) '-'); } else { + #ifdef HPTERM_SUPPORT + MoveCursor(2 + (int)(old_current_sorted_msgno - old_top_ent), + 0); + EndInverse(); + #endif /* HPTERM_SUPPORT */ PutLine0(2 + (int)(old_current_sorted_msgno - old_top_ent), 0, build_header_line(old_current_sorted_msgno)); + #ifdef HPTERM_SUPPORT + MoveCursor(2 + (int)(state->current_sorted_msgno - old_top_ent), + 0); + #endif /* HPTERM_SUPPORT */ StartInverse(); + #ifndef HPTERM_SUPPORT + #endif /* HPTERM_SUPPORT */ PutLine0(2 + (int)(state->current_sorted_msgno - old_top_ent), 0,build_header_line(state->current_sorted_msgno)); EndInverse(); *************** *** 636,644 **** --- 647,660 ---- mail_fetchflags(stream, sequence); m = mail_elt(stream, (long)msgno); string = status_string(m); + #ifdef HPTERM_SUPPORT + MoveCursor(2 + (int)screen_line, 2); + #endif /* HPTERM_SUPPORT */ if(!ps_global->low_speed) StartInverse(); + #ifndef HPTERM_SUPPORT MoveCursor(2 + (int)screen_line, 2); + #endif /* HPTERM_SUPPORT */ Write_to_screen(string); if(!ps_global->low_speed) EndInverse(); diff -c ../pine-3.87-clean/pine/makefile.hpp pine/makefile.hpp *** ../pine-3.87-clean/pine/makefile.hpp Tue Nov 16 14:48:04 1993 --- pine/makefile.hpp Tue Nov 16 15:26:08 1993 *************** *** 57,70 **** RM= rm -f LN= ln -s MAKE= make ! OPTIMIZE= # -O PROFILE= # -pg ! DEBUG= -g -DDEBUG LIBES= -ltermcap -lnet LOCLIBES= ../pico/libpico.a ../c-client/c-client.a ! CFLAGS= -DHPP $(OPTIMIZE) $(PROFILE) $(DEBUG) obj= addrbook.o addrutil.o adrbklib.o args.o context.o filter.o \ folder.o help.o helptext.o imap.o init.o mailcmd.o mailindx.o \ --- 57,70 ---- RM= rm -f LN= ln -s MAKE= make ! OPTIMIZE= -O PROFILE= # -pg ! DEBUG= # -g -DDEBUG LIBES= -ltermcap -lnet LOCLIBES= ../pico/libpico.a ../c-client/c-client.a ! CFLAGS= -DHPP -DHPTERM_SUPPORT $(OPTIMIZE) $(PROFILE) $(DEBUG) obj= addrbook.o addrutil.o adrbklib.o args.o context.o filter.o \ folder.o help.o helptext.o imap.o init.o mailcmd.o mailindx.o \ diff -c ../pine-3.87-clean/pine/pine.c pine/pine.c *** ../pine-3.87-clean/pine/pine.c Tue Nov 16 14:48:02 1993 --- pine/pine.c Tue Nov 16 14:56:32 1993 *************** *** 1183,1190 **** --- 1183,1197 ---- sprintf(buf, mkeys[dline-3].descrip, use_fkeys ? "" : pretty_command(mkeys[dline-3].key)); buf[ps_global->ttyo->screen_cols] = '\0'; + #ifdef HPTERM_SUPPORT + MoveCursor(dline, 4); + #endif /* HPTERM_SUPPORT */ if(dline-3 == current_default_menu_item) StartInverse(); + #ifdef HPTERM_SUPPORT + else + EndInverse(); + #endif /* HPTERM_SUPPORT */ PutLine0(dline, 4, buf); if(dline-3 == current_default_menu_item) EndInverse(); *************** *** 1441,1450 **** --- 1448,1464 ---- PutLine0(l++, 6, "latest UW version of NCSA telnet for either, and probably Kermit too."); PutLine0(l, 10, "Command:"); + #ifdef HPTERM_SUPPORT + MoveCursor(l, 19); + #endif /* HPTERM_SUPPORT */ if(strcmp(ps_global->VAR_PRINTER, ANSI_PRINTER) == 0) { matched_printer = 1; StartInverse(); } + #ifdef HPTERM_SUPPORT + else + EndInverse(); + #endif /* HPTERM_SUPPORT */ PutLine0(l++, 19, ANSI_PRINTER); if(strcmp(ps_global->VAR_PRINTER, ANSI_PRINTER) == 0) EndInverse(); *************** *** 1455,1465 **** --- 1469,1486 ---- "Using this option may require setting your \"PRINTER\" environment"); PutLine0(l++, 6, "variable using the standard UNIX utilities."); PutLine0(l, 10 , "Command: "); + #ifdef HPTERM_SUPPORT + MoveCursor(l, 19); + #endif /* HPTERM_SUPPORT */ if(ps_global->VAR_STANDARD_PRINTER != NULL && strcmp(ps_global->VAR_PRINTER, ps_global->VAR_STANDARD_PRINTER) == 0) { matched_printer = 1; StartInverse(); } + #ifdef HPTERM_SUPPORT + else + EndInverse(); + #endif /* HPTERM_SUPPORT */ PutLine0(l++, 19, ps_global->VAR_STANDARD_PRINTER != NULL ? ps_global->VAR_STANDARD_PRINTER : ""); if(ps_global->VAR_STANDARD_PRINTER != NULL && *************** *** 1478,1485 **** --- 1499,1513 ---- PutLine0(l++, 6, "commands and options on your system may be different these examples."); PutLine0(l, 10, "Command: "); + #ifdef HPTERM_SUPPORT + MoveCursor(l, 19); + #endif /* HPTERM_SUPPORT */ if(!matched_printer) StartInverse(); + #ifdef HPTERM_SUPPORT + else + EndInverse(); + #endif /* HPTERM_SUPPORT */ PutLine0(l, 19, ps_global->VAR_PERSONAL_PRINT_COMMAND == NULL ? "" : ps_global->VAR_PERSONAL_PRINT_COMMAND); if(!matched_printer) *************** *** 1506,1511 **** --- 1534,1542 ---- PutLine0(ps_global->ttyo->screen_rows - 4, 13, "PINE is a trademark of the University of Washington."); + #ifdef HPTERM_SUPPORT + MoveCursor(ps_global->ttyo->screen_rows - 3, 0); + #endif /* HPTERM_SUPPORT */ StartInverse(); PutLine0(ps_global->ttyo->screen_rows - 3, 0, "Type any character to continue : "); diff -c ../pine-3.87-clean/pine/screen.c pine/screen.c *** ../pine-3.87-clean/pine/screen.c Tue Nov 16 14:47:43 1993 --- pine/screen.c Tue Nov 16 14:56:33 1993 *************** *** 635,640 **** --- 635,643 ---- } tb = format_titlebar(); if(display_on_screen) { + #ifdef HPTERM_SUPPORT + MoveCursor(0, 0); + #endif /* HPTERM_SUPPORT */ StartInverse(); PutLine0(0, 0, tb); EndInverse(); *************** *** 646,651 **** --- 649,657 ---- void redraw_titlebar() { + #ifdef HPTERM_SUPPORT + MoveCursor(0,0); + #endif /* HPTERM_SUPPORT */ StartInverse(); PutLine0(0, 0, format_titlebar()); EndInverse(); *************** *** 868,873 **** --- 874,882 ---- l_change = strlen(s_new) - strlen(s_old); + #ifdef HPTERM_SUPPORT + MoveCursor(0, as.cur_mess_col); + #endif /* HPTERM_SUPPORT */ StartInverse(); if(l_change == 0) { PutLine0(0, as.cur_mess_col, s_new); *************** *** 894,899 **** --- 903,911 ---- } } } + #ifdef HPTERM_SUPPORT + MoveCursor(1, 0); + #endif /* HPTERM_SUPPORT */ EndInverse(); fflush(stdout); as.current_message = new_message_number; *************** *** 926,933 **** --- 938,951 ---- if(old_percent == new_percent) return; + #ifdef HPTERM_SUPPORT + MoveCursor(0, as.percent_column); + #endif /* HPTERM_SUPPORT */ StartInverse(); PutLine1(0, as.percent_column, "%3d", (void *)new_percent); + #ifdef HPTERM_SUPPORT + MoveCursor(1, 0); + #endif /* HPTERM_SUPPORT */ EndInverse(); fflush(stdout); } *************** *** 952,957 **** --- 970,978 ---- as.current_page = new_page; + #ifdef HPTERM_SUPPORT + MoveCursor(0, as.page_column); + #endif /* HPTERM_SUPPORT */ StartInverse(); if(NUM_LEN(new_page) != NUM_LEN(as.current_page)) { PutLine1(0, as.page_column, "%s", int2string(new_page)); *************** *** 962,967 **** --- 983,991 ---- PutLine2(0,as.page_column, "%s of %s ",tmp,int2string(as.total_pages)); } + #ifdef HPTERM_SUPPORT + MoveCursor(1, 0); + #endif /* HPTERM_SUPPORT */ EndInverse(); fflush(stdout); } *************** *** 992,999 **** --- 1016,1029 ---- : mc->answered ? MS_ANS : (!mc->seen) ? MS_NEW : 0; + #ifdef HPTERM_SUPPORT + MoveCursor(0, as.del_column); + #endif /* HPTERM_SUPPORT */ StartInverse(); PutLine0(0, as.del_column, BAR_STATUS(as.msg_state)); + #ifdef HPTERM_SUPPORT + MoveCursor(1, 0); + #endif /* HPTERM_SUPPORT */ EndInverse(); fflush(stdout); return(1); diff -c ../pine-3.87-clean/pine/status.c pine/status.c *** ../pine-3.87-clean/pine/status.c Tue Nov 16 14:47:39 1993 --- pine/status.c Tue Nov 16 14:56:34 1993 *************** *** 467,472 **** --- 467,479 ---- col = Centerline(row, obuff); EndInverse(); + #ifdef HPTERM_SUPPORT + /* Deal with magic cookie (HP) terminals)... */ + MoveCursor(row, col); + StartInverse(); + MoveCursor(row, 0); + EndInverse(); + #endif /* HPTERM_SUPPORT */ fflush(stdout); return(col); } *************** *** 711,716 **** --- 718,726 ---- { int x; + #ifdef HPTERM_SUPPORT + MoveCursor(l, c); + #endif /* HPTERM_SUPPORT */ StartInverse(); PutLine0(l, c, q); x = c + strlen(q); diff -c ../pine-3.87-clean/pine/ttyin.c pine/ttyin.c *** ../pine-3.87-clean/pine/ttyin.c Tue Nov 16 14:47:34 1993 --- pine/ttyin.c Tue Nov 16 14:56:36 1993 *************** *** 1276,1283 **** --- 1276,1285 ---- } + #ifndef HPTERM_SUPPORT StartInverse(); /* Always in inverse */ + #endif /* HPTERM_SUPPORT */ /* * if display length isn't wide enough to support input, * shorten up the prompt... *************** *** 1296,1301 **** --- 1298,1308 ---- dline.vlen = --field_len; /* -1 for terminating NULL */ dline.vbase = field_pos = 0; + #ifdef HPTERM_SUPPORT + MoveCursor(real_y_base, x_base); + StartInverse(); /* Always in inverse */ + + #endif /* HPTERM_SUPPORT */ PutLine0(real_y_base, x_base, prompt); /* make sure passed in string is shorter than field_len */ /* and adjust field_pos.. */ *************** *** 1491,1496 **** --- 1498,1506 ---- (*ps_global->redrawer)(); redraw_keymenu(); + #ifdef HPTERM_SUPPORT + MoveCursor(real_y_base, x_base); + #endif /* HPTERM_SUPPORT */ StartInverse(); PutLine0(real_y_base, x_base, prompt); *************** *** 1568,1575 **** --- 1578,1590 ---- fs_give((void **)&kill_buffer); removing_trailing_white_space(string); + #ifndef HPTERM_SUPPORT EndInverse(); + #endif /* HPTERM_SUPPORT */ MoveCursor(real_y_base, x_base); /* Move the cursor to show we're done */ + #ifdef HPTERM_SUPPORT + EndInverse(); + #endif /* HPTERM_SUPPORT */ fflush(stdout); return(return_v); } *************** *** 1602,1607 **** --- 1617,1625 ---- *passwd == 2; /* only blat once */ extra = 0; + #ifdef HPTERM_SUPPORT + StartInverse(); + #endif /* HPTERM_SUPPORT */ MoveCursor(dline.row, dline.col); while(extra++ < dline.dlen) Writechar(' ', 0); *************** *** 1677,1682 **** --- 1695,1703 ---- if(pfp != pbp || *pfp != *vfp){ /* anything to paint? */ MoveCursor(dline.row, dline.col + (int)(pfp - dline.dl)); + #ifdef HPTERM_SUPPORT + StartInverse(); + #endif /* HPTERM_SUPPORT */ while(pfp <= pbp){ if(vfp <= vbp && *vfp) diff -c ../pine-3.87-clean/pine/ttyout.c pine/ttyout.c *** ../pine-3.87-clean/pine/ttyout.c Tue Nov 16 14:47:38 1993 --- pine/ttyout.c Tue Nov 16 15:17:49 1993 *************** *** 130,136 **** --- 130,141 ---- *_startinsert, *_endinsert, *_insertchar, *_deletechar, *_deleteline, *_insertline, *_scrollregion, *_scrollup, *_scrolldown, + #ifndef HPTERM_SUPPORT *_termcap_init, *_termcap_end; + #else + *_termcap_init, *_termcap_end, + *_keypad_start, *_keypad_end; + #endif /* HPTERM_SUPPORT */ static int _lines, _columns; char termname[40]; #ifndef USE_TERMINFO *************** *** 268,273 **** --- 273,282 ---- _scrollup = tgetstr("sr", &ptr); _termcap_init = tgetstr("ti", &ptr); _termcap_end = tgetstr("te", &ptr); + #ifdef HPTERM_SUPPORT + _keypad_start = tgetstr("ks", &ptr); + _keypad_end = tgetstr("ke", &ptr); + #endif /* HPTERM_SUPPORT */ _lines = tgetnum("li"); _columns = tgetnum("co"); #endif *************** *** 338,345 **** --- 347,362 ---- { if(_termcap_init != NULL) { tputs(_termcap_init, 1, outchar); + #ifndef HPTERM_SUPPORT fflush(stdout); + #endif /* HPTERM_SUPPORT */ } + #ifdef HPTERM_SUPPORT + if(_keypad_start != NULL) { + tputs(_keypad_start, 1, outchar); + } + fflush(stdout); + #endif /* HPTERM_SUPPORT */ } *************** *** 405,410 **** --- 422,431 ---- EndInverse(); MoveCursor( _lines - 1, 0); NewLine(); + #ifdef HPTERM_SUPPORT + if(_keypad_end != NULL) + tputs(_keypad_end, 1, outchar); + #endif /* HPTERM_SUPPORT */ if(_termcap_end != NULL) tputs(_termcap_end, 1, outchar); fflush(stdout); -------- Daniel Simmons electronic mail : simmdan@isu.edu Idaho State University voice mail : (208) 236-3199 Computer Center snail mail : Box 8037, Pocatello From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Nov 16 19:34:33 1993 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA22557; Tue, 16 Nov 93 19:34:33 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA08741; Tue, 16 Nov 93 18:39:22 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from shiva2.cac.washington.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA08735; Tue, 16 Nov 93 18:39:20 -0800 Received: by shiva2.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA25417; Tue, 16 Nov 93 18:39:06 -0800 Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1993 18:39:04 -0800 (PST) From: David L Miller Subject: Re: Posting to newsgroups from PC-Pine To: "Stephen F. Day [Med Ctr Comp Svcs]" Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu, "Stephen F. Day [Med Ctr Comp Svcs]" In-Reply-To: <01H5E525X40C0002LB@MEDUSA.UNM.EDU> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Stephen, Pine does not have the ability to post news yet. We are tentatively hoping to have posting capability by next summer. --DLM |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA On Tue, 16 Nov 1993, Stephen F. Day [Med Ctr Comp Svcs] wrote: > This is probably in the Pine FAQ and I would look there if I knew where it > was... so please forgive me for asking the following: > > How does one post messages to USENET newsgroups from PC-Pine? > > Thank you. > > =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= > Stephen F. Day (SFD7) AT&TNET: (505) 277-1698 > Director BITNET/CREN: SDAY@MEDUSA > Medical Ctr Computer Services INTERNET: sday@medusa.UNM.EDU > University of New Mexico TECHNET: UNMSDAY > =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Nov 16 20:04:45 1993 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA23106; Tue, 16 Nov 93 20:04:45 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA01889; Tue, 16 Nov 93 19:22:58 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from hp9000.csc.cuhk.hk by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA01882; Tue, 16 Nov 93 19:22:53 -0800 Message-Id: <9311170322.AA01882@mx2.cac.washington.edu> Received: by hp9000.csc.cuhk.hk (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA25893; Wed, 17 Nov 93 11:23:13 +0800 From: Frank NG ( CSC, Chinese University of Hong Kong ) Subject: Problem of using Pine 3.05 in NFS environment To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Date: Wed, 17 Nov 93 11:23:12 HKT Cc: a587700@hp9000.csc.cuhk.hk Mailer: Elm [revision: 70.85] Dear Sir, I have recently came across a problem of using Pine 3.05 in our NFS environment. If a user's home directory is at local hard disk (not NFS mounted), we never came across the problem. However, if a user's home directory is NFS mounted, user can only send mail and cannot open other folders, the terminal will be hung up. Folder INBOX is marked "READONLY". Then, a dead pine process will stay on the workstation and cannot be killed by user or super user. Our environment is : Application server : HP9000/755 running HP-UX 9.01 NFS server : HP9000/800 model G50 running 9.0 I have also used the newly created Pine 3.87, and the problem still happens. If you have any suggestions, please don't hesitate to contact me. Thanks & regards. .Frank Ng .Computer Services Centre .The Chinese University of Hong Kong From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Nov 16 20:43:16 1993 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA23681; Tue, 16 Nov 93 20:43:16 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA09712; Tue, 16 Nov 93 19:48:11 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from Krypton.Mankato.MSUS.EDU by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA09706; Tue, 16 Nov 93 19:48:09 -0800 Received: from localhost (hayden@localhost) by krypton.mankato.msus.edu (8.6.4/8.6.4) id VAA13651; Tue, 16 Nov 1993 21:51:50 -0600 Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1993 21:39:35 -0600 (CST) From: "Robert A. Hayden" Reply-To: "Robert A. Hayden" Subject: Some Pico Dreams To: Pine Info Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Here's a couple of features I'd like to see added to pico. Actually, I have lots more, but this is all I can remember right now :-) 1) ABILITY TO START EDITING WITH THE CURSOR AT THE END OF THE FILE If you are editing a long file (say, over 50k) and you save it, you then enter again with the cursor back at the top of the file. If there was a flag to allow you to start at the last line of the file it would be great. (I use pico as a daily journal program, and each entry appends to that day's file, so that' where a command line flag would be useful to me). 2) GLOBAL FIND AND REPLACE 'nuff said, really. :-) 3) BETTER ABILITY TO MOVE WITHIN A FILE Right now, the only way to go to any location is to either page down to it or to hope you remember a word in that area and then do a word search. If there was a way to have a 'goto' command, that would be most helpful. How it might work: You can provide pico with some control sequence to have a 'goto' prompt. You can then give it a number. This number is a percentage. 0 is the top of the file, 100 is the bottom, and in-between is, well, in-between. --- Oh well, just some thoughts. ____ Robert A. Hayden <=> hayden@krypton.mankato.msus.edu \ /__ -=-=-=-=- <=> -=-=-=-=- \/ / Finger for Geek Code Info <=> Veteran of the Bermuda Triangle \/ Finger for PGP 2.3a Public Key <=> Expeditionary Force -- 1993-1951 -=-=-=-=-=-=-=- (GEEK CODE 1.0.1) GAT d- -p+(---) c++(++++) l++ u++ e+/* m++(*)@ s-/++ n-(---) h+(*) f+ g+ w++ t++ r++ y+(*) From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Nov 17 02:05:13 1993 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA27695; Wed, 17 Nov 93 02:05:13 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA03059; Wed, 17 Nov 93 00:41:02 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from xanth.CS.ORST.EDU by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA03035; Wed, 17 Nov 93 00:40:57 -0800 Received: from mundania.CS.ORST.EDU by instruction.CS.ORST.EDU (1.37.109.4/1.35) id AA25613; Wed, 17 Nov 93 00:41:22 -0800 Received: by mundania.CS.ORST.EDU (1.37.109.4/CS-Client) id AA06908; Wed, 17 Nov 93 00:44:03 -0800 Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1993 00:42:59 -0700 (PDT) From: "Jason R. Thorpe" Subject: Re: Building 3.87 on Sequent... To: Ed Greshko Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Mon, 15 Nov 1993, Ed Greshko wrote: > Hello, > > I've got a Sequent, when I do a uname I get the following info: > > SEQUENT SEQUENT 3.2.0 V1.2.5 i386 > > Also the login shows: DYNIX/ptx(R) V1.2.5 > > In trying to build pine 3.87 I used "build dyn" and I get: you want to "build ptx"... > > Making c-client library and mtest > cc -g -Dconst= -DRSH=\"rsh\" -DRSHPATH=\"/usr/ucb/rsh\" -c os_dyn.c > "os_dyn.c", line 68: redeclaration of timezone > "os_dyn.c", line 88: unknown size > "os_dyn.c", line 89: unknown size > "os_dyn.c", line 92: tz_minuteswest undefined > "os_dyn.c", line 92: member of structure or union required > "os_dyn.c", line 93: member of structure or union required > "os_dyn.c", line 93: illegal function > "os_dyn.c", line 93: illegal function > "os_dyn.c", line 93: warning: illegal pointer/integer combination, op = > "os_dyn.c", line 669: warning: illegal pointer/integer combination, op RETURN > "os_dyn.c", line 683: warning: illegal pointer/integer combination, op RETURN > "os_dyn.c", line 698: warning: illegal pointer/integer combination, op = > "os_dyn.c", line 744: redeclaration of memcpy > "os_dyn.c", line 761: redeclaration of memmove > "os_dyn.c", line 778: redeclaration of memset > *** Error code 1 > > > If I use "build ptx" I get a bit further...but still: > > Making Pine. > rm -f os.h > ln -s osdep/os-ptx.h os.h > ./cmplhlp2.sh < pine.hlp > helptext.h > cc -Xo -DPTX -g -DDEBUG -c addrbook.c &25121 > cc -Xo -DPTX -g -DDEBUG -c addrutil.c &25122 > cc -Xo -DPTX -g -DDEBUG -c adrbklib.c &25123 > cc -Xo -DPTX -g -DDEBUG -c args.c &25132 > cc -Xo -DPTX -g -DDEBUG -c context.c &25138 > cc -Xo -DPTX -g -DDEBUG -c filter.c &25145 > cc -Xo -DPTX -g -DDEBUG -c folder.c &25148 > "filter.c", line 396: fpos_t undefined > "filter.c", line 396: syntax error > "filter.c", line 402: syntax error > "filter.c", line 430: fpos_t undefined > "filter.c", line 430: syntax error > "filter.c", line 437: syntax error > "filter.c", line 438: syntax error > > 25145: *** Error code 1 > > > I'm not familiar with the Sequent....so does anyone have the > makefiles and .h files I need to build on this system? > > Regards, > > > Edward M. Greshko Control Data Taiwan > Voice: +886-2-715-2222 x287 6/F, 131 Nanking East Road, Section 3 > FAX : +886-2-712-9197 Taipei, Taiwan R.O.C > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Jason R. Thorpe | 'All standard...' | 434 Weatherford Hall OSU Computer Science | thorpej@cs.orst.edu | Corvallis, OR 97331 Support Staff | '...disclaimers apply.' | (503) 737-9533 From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Nov 17 02:07:58 1993 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA27745; Wed, 17 Nov 93 02:07:58 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA03067; Wed, 17 Nov 93 00:43:58 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from xanth.CS.ORST.EDU by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA03061; Wed, 17 Nov 93 00:43:51 -0800 Received: from mundania.CS.ORST.EDU by instruction.CS.ORST.EDU (1.37.109.4/1.35) id AA25621; Wed, 17 Nov 93 00:44:17 -0800 Received: by mundania.CS.ORST.EDU (1.37.109.4/CS-Client) id AA06921; Wed, 17 Nov 93 00:46:57 -0800 Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1993 00:44:25 -0700 (PDT) From: "Jason R. Thorpe" Subject: Re: Building 3.87 on Sequent... To: Ed Greshko Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII (Sorry, I sent the previous one by mistake...) On Mon, 15 Nov 1993, Ed Greshko wrote: > Hello, > > I've got a Sequent, when I do a uname I get the following info: > > SEQUENT SEQUENT 3.2.0 V1.2.5 i386 > > Also the login shows: DYNIX/ptx(R) V1.2.5 > > In trying to build pine 3.87 I used "build dyn" and I get: you want to "build ptx"... > > Making c-client library and mtest > cc -g -Dconst= -DRSH=\"rsh\" -DRSHPATH=\"/usr/ucb/rsh\" -c os_dyn.c > "os_dyn.c", line 68: redeclaration of timezone > "os_dyn.c", line 88: unknown size > "os_dyn.c", line 89: unknown size > "os_dyn.c", line 92: tz_minuteswest undefined > "os_dyn.c", line 92: member of structure or union required > "os_dyn.c", line 93: member of structure or union required > "os_dyn.c", line 93: illegal function > "os_dyn.c", line 93: illegal function > "os_dyn.c", line 93: warning: illegal pointer/integer combination, op = > "os_dyn.c", line 669: warning: illegal pointer/integer combination, op RETURN > "os_dyn.c", line 683: warning: illegal pointer/integer combination, op RETURN > "os_dyn.c", line 698: warning: illegal pointer/integer combination, op = > "os_dyn.c", line 744: redeclaration of memcpy > "os_dyn.c", line 761: redeclaration of memmove > "os_dyn.c", line 778: redeclaration of memset > *** Error code 1 > > > If I use "build ptx" I get a bit further...but still: > > Making Pine. > rm -f os.h > ln -s osdep/os-ptx.h os.h > ./cmplhlp2.sh < pine.hlp > helptext.h > cc -Xo -DPTX -g -DDEBUG -c addrbook.c &25121 > cc -Xo -DPTX -g -DDEBUG -c addrutil.c &25122 > cc -Xo -DPTX -g -DDEBUG -c adrbklib.c &25123 > cc -Xo -DPTX -g -DDEBUG -c args.c &25132 > cc -Xo -DPTX -g -DDEBUG -c context.c &25138 > cc -Xo -DPTX -g -DDEBUG -c filter.c &25145 > cc -Xo -DPTX -g -DDEBUG -c folder.c &25148 > "filter.c", line 396: fpos_t undefined > "filter.c", line 396: syntax error > "filter.c", line 402: syntax error > "filter.c", line 430: fpos_t undefined > "filter.c", line 430: syntax error > "filter.c", line 437: syntax error > "filter.c", line 438: syntax error > > 25145: *** Error code 1 Hmmmm...I can build it right out of the box...Most likely its the OLD versions of ptx you have...:-( Later... ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Jason R. Thorpe | 'All standard...' | 434 Weatherford Hall OSU Computer Science | thorpej@cs.orst.edu | Corvallis, OR 97331 Support Staff | '...disclaimers apply.' | (503) 737-9533 From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Nov 17 11:04:41 1993 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA09545; Wed, 17 Nov 93 11:04:41 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA06084; Wed, 17 Nov 93 10:47:19 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from opus.csd.uwm.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA06078; Wed, 17 Nov 93 10:47:17 -0800 Received: by opus.csd.uwm.edu (5.65/DEC-Ultrix/4.3) id AA07405; Wed, 17 Nov 1993 12:47:16 -0600 Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1993 12:47:16 -0600 From: dave@opus.csd.uwm.edu (Dave Rasmussen) Message-Id: <9311171847.AA07405@opus.csd.uwm.edu> To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: pine 3.87 on DEC Alpha I went to build it on our alpha just now and it couldn't find osf files in the c-client directory. I swear there was alpha support there. My mind must be gone. Is there support for the alpha/osf platform? From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Nov 17 11:28:54 1993 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA10796; Wed, 17 Nov 93 11:28:54 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA21362; Wed, 17 Nov 93 11:09:35 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from shiva1.cac.washington.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA21356; Wed, 17 Nov 93 11:09:33 -0800 Received: by shiva1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA06963; Wed, 17 Nov 93 11:09:30 -0800 Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1993 11:09:28 -0800 (PST) From: David L Miller Subject: Re: pine 3.87 on DEC Alpha To: Dave Rasmussen Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu In-Reply-To: <9311171847.AA07405@opus.csd.uwm.edu> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Dave, There are actually two c-client trees in Pine 3.85 and higher. Make sure that imap/ANSI/c-client was linked to c-client by build. Thanks for the report! --DLM |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA On Wed, 17 Nov 1993, Dave Rasmussen wrote: > I went to build it on our alpha just now and it couldn't find osf > files in the c-client directory. I swear there was alpha support > there. My mind must be gone. > > Is there support for the alpha/osf platform? From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Nov 17 13:11:39 1993 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA15029; Wed, 17 Nov 93 13:11:39 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA24803; Wed, 17 Nov 93 12:55:41 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from [134.225.32.8] by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA24797; Wed, 17 Nov 93 12:55:36 -0800 Received: from reading.ac.uk by susssys1.reading.ac.uk with SMTP (PP) id <06054-0@susssys1.reading.ac.uk>; Wed, 17 Nov 1993 20:46:28 +0000 Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1993 20:43:52 +0000 (GMT) From: Mike Roch Subject: Re: Posting to newsgroups from PC-Pine To: "Stephen F. Day [Med Ctr Comp Svcs]" Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu In-Reply-To: <01H5E525X40C0002LB@MEDUSA.UNM.EDU> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Length: 505 On Tue, 16 Nov 1993, Stephen F. Day [Med Ctr Comp Svcs] wrote: > How does one post messages to USENET newsgroups from PC-Pine? Use Compose and mail your message to news-group-name@cs.utexas.edu NB use hyphens (-) instead of periods (.) in the group name. Mike ============================================================================== Mike Roch, Computer Services Centre, Tel: 0734 318430 The University, Whiteknights, Reading, RG6 2AF Fax: 0734 753094 From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Nov 17 13:56:29 1993 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA16380; Wed, 17 Nov 93 13:56:29 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA07398; Wed, 17 Nov 93 13:35:51 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from coho.halcyon.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA07392; Wed, 17 Nov 93 13:35:32 -0800 Received: by halcyon.com id AA11449 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for pine-info@cac.washington.edu); Wed, 17 Nov 1993 13:35:17 -0800 Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1993 13:35:17 -0800 From: Ralph Sims Message-Id: <199311172135.AA11449@halcyon.com> To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Getting pico to work from within Pnews It appears that newsposts from with Pnews using pico as an editor aren't making it into newsgroups. While this isn't actually a pine-related question, I'd ask the list's indulgence, in the hopes that a pico (or Pnews guru) might have a thought. Thanks in advance. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Nov 17 14:17:04 1993 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA17190; Wed, 17 Nov 93 14:17:04 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA26540; Wed, 17 Nov 93 14:04:29 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from shiva1.cac.washington.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA26534; Wed, 17 Nov 93 14:04:24 -0800 Received: by shiva1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA14193; Wed, 17 Nov 93 14:03:57 -0800 Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1993 14:03:54 -0800 (PST) From: David L Miller Subject: Re: Getting pico to work from within Pnews To: Ralph Sims Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu In-Reply-To: <199311172135.AA11449@halcyon.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII It works fine for me, posting from here to uw.test... |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA On Wed, 17 Nov 1993, Ralph Sims wrote: > > It appears that newsposts from with Pnews using pico as an editor aren't > making it into newsgroups. While this isn't actually a pine-related > question, I'd ask the list's indulgence, in the hopes that a pico (or > Pnews guru) might have a thought. > > Thanks in advance. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Nov 17 14:22:41 1993 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA17343; Wed, 17 Nov 93 14:22:41 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA07589; Wed, 17 Nov 93 14:09:59 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from coho.halcyon.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA07579; Wed, 17 Nov 93 14:09:33 -0800 Received: by halcyon.com id AA11778 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for pine-info@cac.washington.edu); Wed, 17 Nov 1993 14:08:43 -0800 From: Ralph Sims Message-Id: <199311172208.AA11778@halcyon.com> Subject: Re: Getting pico to work from within Pnews To: dlm@cac.washington.edu (David L Miller) Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1993 14:08:42 -0800 (PST) Cc: ralphs@halcyon.com, pine-info@cac.washington.edu In-Reply-To: from "David L Miller" at Nov 17, 93 02:03:54 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL13] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 287 I think I located a possible area... It appears that there needs to be a blank line between the last line of the header and the first line of text. I tried that, and successfully launched three posts. I'll call off the troops. > It works fine for me, posting from here to uw.test... From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Nov 17 15:53:49 1993 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA20146; Wed, 17 Nov 93 15:53:49 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA28808; Wed, 17 Nov 93 15:38:16 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from shiva1.cac.washington.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA28802; Wed, 17 Nov 93 15:38:14 -0800 Received: by shiva1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA17126; Wed, 17 Nov 93 15:37:58 -0800 Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1993 15:37:51 -0800 (PST) From: David L Miller Subject: Re: cut text "vanishes" between messages To: Mike Stok Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu, David Alden In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Mike, Sorry about the very slow response. The reason that this "feature" was removed is that it was unexpected bahavior that was causing frustration for novice users. A workaround is to export the first message to a file, then read it into the reply. To improve upon this, a future version of Pine will allow you to mark several messages and reply to all of them as a group, including all the messages in the reply! Thanks for the report! --DLM |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA On Thu, 7 Oct 1993, Mike Stok wrote: > One of my users has just noticed that the way in which cut text is > handled between 3.07 and 3.85 is different. > > He used to be able to combine the contents of more than one message by, > for example: > > starting to forward , go into the body, cut the exciting > lines. > > cancel the forward of > > reply to , go into its body, uncut the lines which were > cut from > > This allowed him to quote from a number of messages even from a VT100 or > similar terminal where the luxury of a window system provided cut & paste > facility wasn't provided. > > Is there any chance of the "old" behaviour slipping back into 3.86, or is > there some workaround that I have missed? > > Thanks, > > Mike > > -- > The "usual disclaimers" apply. | Meiko > Mike Stok | Reservoir Place > Mike.Stok@meiko.waltham.ma.us | 1601 Trapelo Road > Meiko tel: (617) 890 7676 | Waltham, MA 02154 > > > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Nov 17 16:43:20 1993 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA22251; Wed, 17 Nov 93 16:43:20 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA00165; Wed, 17 Nov 93 16:31:03 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from ees1a0.engr.ccny.cuny.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA00129; Wed, 17 Nov 93 16:30:56 -0800 Received: by ees1a0.engr.ccny.cuny.edu (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA23915; Wed, 17 Nov 93 19:29:39 EST Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1993 19:26:03 -0500 (EST) From: Dan Schlitt Subject: Re: Getting pico to work from within Pnews To: Ralph Sims Cc: David L Miller , ralphs@halcyon.com, pine-info@cac.washington.edu In-Reply-To: <199311172208.AA11778@halcyon.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I do hope that when you fix things so you can post to news from within Pine you will force the required empty line between the headers and the body! That is the number two problem just behind the IBM nonsense of putting spaces in lines that are supposed to be empty. /dan Dan Schlitt School of Engineering Computer Systems dan@ee-mail.engr.ccny.cuny.edu City College of New York (212)650-6760 New York, NY 10031 From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Nov 17 16:48:31 1993 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA22535; Wed, 17 Nov 93 16:48:31 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA00319; Wed, 17 Nov 93 16:35:52 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from coho.halcyon.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA00313; Wed, 17 Nov 93 16:35:44 -0800 Received: by halcyon.com id AA00868 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for pine-info@cac.washington.edu); Wed, 17 Nov 1993 16:34:37 -0800 From: Ralph Sims Message-Id: <199311180034.AA00868@halcyon.com> Subject: Re: Getting pico to work from within Pnews To: dan@ees1a0.engr.ccny.cuny.edu (Dan Schlitt) Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1993 16:34:35 -0800 (PST) Cc: ralphs@halcyon.com, dlm@cac.washington.edu, pine-info@cac.washington.edu In-Reply-To: from "Dan Schlitt" at Nov 17, 93 07:26:03 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL13] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 472 > I do hope that when you fix things so you can post to news from within > Pine you will force the required empty line between the headers and the body! > That is the number two problem just behind the IBM nonsense of putting > spaces in lines that are supposed to be empty. Unfortunately, Pnews places the cursor at the top of the file. I would imagine it could be hacked to drop down to the last line and do the required magic. In the meantime, it's all auto-manual. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Nov 17 18:21:16 1993 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA25447; Wed, 17 Nov 93 18:21:16 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA02330; Wed, 17 Nov 93 18:07:21 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from shiva1.cac.washington.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA02324; Wed, 17 Nov 93 18:07:19 -0800 Received: by shiva1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA22010; Wed, 17 Nov 93 18:06:50 -0800 Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1993 18:06:49 -0800 (PST) From: David L Miller Subject: Re: Getting pico to work from within Pnews To: Ralph Sims Cc: Dan Schlitt , ralphs@halcyon.com, pine-info@cac.washington.edu In-Reply-To: <199311180034.AA00868@halcyon.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Just to clarify a little. When executing pico from Pnews, it is simply acting as a text editor. It has absolutely no idea that anything but plain text. When called from Pine, it is passed a pre-constructed envelope and a text body. When you are editing the headers, Pico constructs the envelope. When full news posting support is added, all the news headers will be included in the envelope. And, yes, the blank line will be there ;) |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA On Wed, 17 Nov 1993, Ralph Sims wrote: > > I do hope that when you fix things so you can post to news from within > > Pine you will force the required empty line between the headers and the body! > > That is the number two problem just behind the IBM nonsense of putting > > spaces in lines that are supposed to be empty. > > Unfortunately, Pnews places the cursor at the top of the file. I would > imagine it could be hacked to drop down to the last line and do the > required magic. In the meantime, it's all auto-manual. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Nov 17 21:32:42 1993 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA27973; Wed, 17 Nov 93 21:32:42 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA04527; Wed, 17 Nov 93 21:14:36 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from Krypton.Mankato.MSUS.EDU by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA04521; Wed, 17 Nov 93 21:14:33 -0800 Received: from localhost (hayden@localhost) by krypton.mankato.msus.edu (8.6.4/8.6.4) id WAA13413; Wed, 17 Nov 1993 22:33:48 -0600 Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1993 22:33:08 -0600 (CST) From: "Robert A. Hayden" To: Pine Info Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII delete shadowrn hayden@vax1.mankato.msus.edu add shadowrn hayden@vax1.mankato.msus.edu Robert (test) Hayden From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Nov 17 21:34:56 1993 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA28020; Wed, 17 Nov 93 21:34:56 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA09663; Wed, 17 Nov 93 21:17:59 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from Krypton.Mankato.MSUS.EDU by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA09657; Wed, 17 Nov 93 21:17:52 -0800 Received: from localhost (hayden@localhost) by krypton.mankato.msus.edu (8.6.4/8.6.4) id XAA15887; Wed, 17 Nov 1993 23:21:34 -0600 Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1993 23:17:14 -0600 (CST) From: "Robert A. Hayden" Subject: Another Pine Dream To: Pine Info Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Alright, I posted some pico dreams yesterday, and nobody has yet replied, but here is a pine dream I have. MULTIPLE IN BASKETS As I'm sure many others do, I use the filter program to sort through all of the mail I get (I get far too much for any rational human being, I think). The problem is, Pine only keeps tabs on the mail in INBOX, never letting you know if something comes in and is shunted to another folder. If there was a way to define a list of folders to keep tabs on and then inform you when mail arrives in that specific folder, that would be most nice. As for checking on starting up pine, perhaps present a menu with a listing of all the folders with new mail, and then you choose where to go, with the default being INBOX, of cours. Just a thought. ____ Robert A. Hayden <=> hayden@krypton.mankato.msus.edu \ /__ -=-=-=-=- <=> -=-=-=-=- \/ / Finger for Geek Code Info <=> Veteran of the Bermuda Triangle \/ Finger for PGP 2.3a Public Key <=> Expeditionary Force -- 1993-1951 -=-=-=-=-=-=-=- (GEEK CODE 1.0.1) GAT d- -p+(---) c++(++++) l++ u++ e+/* m++(*)@ s-/++ n-(---) h+(*) f+ g+ w++ t++ r++ y+(*) From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Nov 17 22:18:02 1993 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA28489; Wed, 17 Nov 93 22:18:02 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA09787; Wed, 17 Nov 93 21:57:25 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from wor-srv.wam.umd.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA09781; Wed, 17 Nov 93 21:57:23 -0800 Received: from snare.dorm.umd.edu by wor-srv.wam.umd.edu with SMTP id AA21258 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Thu, 18 Nov 1993 00:57:21 -0500 Received: by snare.dorm.umd.edu (Smail3.1.28.1 #4) id m0p02Mp-0004E9C; Thu, 18 Nov 93 00:57 EST Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1993 00:55:03 +0000 From: Mike Grupenhoff Subject: Re: Another Pine Dream To: "Robert A. Hayden" Cc: Pine Info In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 17 Nov 1993, Robert A. Hayden wrote: > MULTIPLE IN BASKETS [...] > If there was a way to define a list of folders to keep tabs on > and then inform you when mail arrives in that specific folder, > that would be most nice. I may be mistaken, but I believe the incoming-folders option in pine 3.85 and greater does what you want. >From my .pinerc: # incoming-folders are those other than INBOX that receive new messages. # Folder syntax: optnl-label {optnl-imap-hostname}folder-path # Use only if you filter incoming email into multiple files or receive # email on several different machines. incoming-folders= --- Mike Grupenhoff kashmir@wam.umd.edu MIME mail accepted From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Nov 17 22:30:49 1993 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA28630; Wed, 17 Nov 93 22:30:49 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA09860; Wed, 17 Nov 93 22:14:14 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from Krypton.Mankato.MSUS.EDU by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA09854; Wed, 17 Nov 93 22:14:12 -0800 Received: from localhost (hayden@localhost) by krypton.mankato.msus.edu (8.6.4/8.6.4) id AAA01088; Thu, 18 Nov 1993 00:17:53 -0600 Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1993 00:17:13 -0600 (CST) From: "Robert A. Hayden" Subject: Re: your mail To: Pine Info In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 17 Nov 1993, Robert A. Hayden wrote: > delete shadowrn hayden@vax1.mankato.msus.edu > add shadowrn hayden@vax1.mankato.msus.edu Robert (test) Hayden Sorry about that folks. Too many damn maining lists, I guess, and not enough attention paid to headers. :-) ____ Robert A. Hayden <=> hayden@krypton.mankato.msus.edu \ /__ -=-=-=-=- <=> -=-=-=-=- \/ / Finger for Geek Code Info <=> Veteran of the Bermuda Triangle \/ Finger for PGP 2.3a Public Key <=> Expeditionary Force -- 1993-1951 -=-=-=-=-=-=-=- (GEEK CODE 1.0.1) GAT d- -p+(---) c++(++++) l++ u++ e+/* m++(*)@ s-/++ n-(---) h+(*) f+ g+ w++ t++ r++ y+(*) From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Nov 17 22:47:06 1993 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA28884; Wed, 17 Nov 93 22:47:06 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA05457; Wed, 17 Nov 93 22:38:36 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from shiva1.cac.washington.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA05449; Wed, 17 Nov 93 22:38:35 -0800 Received: by shiva1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA24764; Wed, 17 Nov 93 22:38:31 -0800 Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1993 22:38:29 -0800 (PST) From: Terry Gray Subject: Re: Some Pico Dreams To: "Robert A. Hayden" Cc: Pine Info In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Robert, Some of these are already on the enhancement list; I'll make sure they all get considered. -teg On Tue, 16 Nov 1993, Robert A. Hayden wrote: > Here's a couple of features I'd like to see added to pico. Actually, I > have lots more, but this is all I can remember right now :-) > > 1) ABILITY TO START EDITING WITH THE CURSOR AT THE END OF THE FILE > If you are editing a long file (say, over 50k) and you save it, > you then enter again with the cursor back at the top of the file. > If there was a flag to allow you to start at the last line of the > file it would be great. (I use pico as a daily journal program, > and each entry appends to that day's file, so that' where a > command line flag would be useful to me). > > 2) GLOBAL FIND AND REPLACE > 'nuff said, really. :-) > > 3) BETTER ABILITY TO MOVE WITHIN A FILE > Right now, the only way to go to any location is to either page > down to it or to hope you remember a word in that area and then > do a word search. If there was a way to have a 'goto' command, > that would be most helpful. > > How it might work: > You can provide pico with some control sequence to have > a 'goto' prompt. You can then give it a number. This > number is a percentage. 0 is the top of the file, 100 > is the bottom, and in-between is, well, in-between. > > --- > > Oh well, just some thoughts. > > ____ Robert A. Hayden <=> hayden@krypton.mankato.msus.edu > \ /__ -=-=-=-=- <=> -=-=-=-=- > \/ / Finger for Geek Code Info <=> Veteran of the Bermuda Triangle > \/ Finger for PGP 2.3a Public Key <=> Expeditionary Force -- 1993-1951 > -=-=-=-=-=-=-=- > (GEEK CODE 1.0.1) GAT d- -p+(---) c++(++++) l++ u++ e+/* m++(*)@ s-/++ > n-(---) h+(*) f+ g+ w++ t++ r++ y+(*) > > > > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Nov 17 22:47:28 1993 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA28914; Wed, 17 Nov 93 22:47:28 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA05352; Wed, 17 Nov 93 22:32:49 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from shiva1.cac.washington.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA05346; Wed, 17 Nov 93 22:32:47 -0800 Received: by shiva1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA24724; Wed, 17 Nov 93 22:32:35 -0800 Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1993 22:32:34 -0800 (PST) From: Terry Gray Reply-To: Terry Gray Subject: Re: Another Pine Dream To: Mike Grupenhoff Cc: "Robert A. Hayden" , Pine Info In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Mike, The "incoming message folders" mechanism represents the *beginning* of what Robert wants, but we still have more to do. The plan is to extend the "magic" TAB command to move you from INBOX to the other Incoming msg folders you have defined. Initially, it will do this blindly, without knowing if there is any new mail in that folder or not. Once the IMAP2bis spec is nailed down, we hope we will have the needed mechanism for determining efficiently whether or not a folder has unread mail. Then TAB will either skip the folders lacking unread messages, or at least indicate whether there is unread mail pending. The question of keeping all incoming folders open and monitoring for new mail is tough for a couple of reasons, including efficiency/performance, and user-interface complexity. (How do you indicate *which* folder has received new mail, without overloading the message line?) Anyway, we'll start with the TAB-initiated jump to other incoming folders, and see how that goes. (Tab will also be used for moving through newsgroups, beginning with 3.88. This will happen when you hit Tab and there are no other unread messages in the current folder.) -teg On Thu, 18 Nov 1993, Mike Grupenhoff wrote: > On Wed, 17 Nov 1993, Robert A. Hayden wrote: > > > MULTIPLE IN BASKETS > [...] > > If there was a way to define a list of folders to keep tabs on > > and then inform you when mail arrives in that specific folder, > > that would be most nice. > > > I may be mistaken, but I believe the incoming-folders option in pine 3.85 > and greater does what you want. > > From my .pinerc: > > # incoming-folders are those other than INBOX that receive new messages. > # Folder syntax: optnl-label {optnl-imap-hostname}folder-path > # Use only if you filter incoming email into multiple files or receive > # email on several different machines. > > incoming-folders= > > > > --- > Mike Grupenhoff > kashmir@wam.umd.edu > MIME mail accepted > > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Nov 18 05:59:13 1993 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA04344; Thu, 18 Nov 93 05:59:13 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA09078; Thu, 18 Nov 93 05:43:51 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from mercury.unt.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA09072; Thu, 18 Nov 93 05:43:49 -0800 Received: from sol.acs.unt.edu by mercury.unt.edu with SMTP id AA10962 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Thu, 18 Nov 1993 07:43:47 -0600 Received: from localhost (amos@localhost) by sol.acs.unt.edu (8.6.4/8.6.4) id HAA15453; Thu, 18 Nov 1993 07:43:44 -0600 Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1993 07:41:09 -0600 (CST) From: "Amos A. Gouaux" Subject: Command line mailing? To: pine-info Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII While folks are dreaming about new features for pine, a colleague stated that he would like to see pine be able to mail a message from the command line. An example would be something like this: % pine -s '_subject_' _user_ < _message_ Is there a possibility that this can be considered for a future version? Amos A. Gouaux Academic Computing Services amos@unt.edu UNIX and CUTCP University of North Texas 817/565-4898 Systems Support PO Box 13495, Denton, TX 76203 FAX at -4060 From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Nov 18 06:28:33 1993 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA04825; Thu, 18 Nov 93 06:28:33 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA09350; Thu, 18 Nov 93 06:11:21 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from helix.nih.gov by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA09344; Thu, 18 Nov 93 06:11:20 -0800 Received: from localhost by helix.nih.gov (8.6.4/1.35(helix-1.0)) id JAA27399; Thu, 18 Nov 1993 09:11:17 -0500 Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1993 08:57:48 -0500 (EST) From: Rick Troxel Subject: Re: Another Pine Dream To: "Robert A. Hayden" Cc: Pine Info In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 17 Nov 1993, Robert A. Hayden wrote: > If there was a way to define a list of folders to keep tabs on > and then inform you when mail arrives in that specific folder, > that would be most nice. If you are using a *nix host, there is a shell based solution that might meet your needs. In csh or tcsh one would just 'set mail' appropriately. Here is an excerpt from our local csh man page: mail The files where the shell checks for mail. This is done after each command completion that results in a prompt, if a specified interval has elapsed. The shell says You have new mail, if the file exists with an access time not greater than its modify time. ... If multiple mail files are specified, then the shell says New mail in _name_ when there is mail in the file _name_. In sh or ksh, setting the MAILPATH variable should have the same effect. Rick Troxel rick@helix.nih.gov 301/496-4823 /////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// All effort and exertion put forth by man from the fullness of his heart is worship, if it is prompted by the highest motives and the will to do service to humanity. --Abdu'l-Baha From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Nov 18 07:00:41 1993 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA05176; Thu, 18 Nov 93 07:00:41 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA11781; Thu, 18 Nov 93 06:43:49 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from uafhp.uark.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA11775; Thu, 18 Nov 93 06:43:46 -0800 Received: by uafhp.uark.edu (1.37.109.4/15.6) id AA04240; Thu, 18 Nov 93 08:42:04 -0600 Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1993 08:31:25 -0500 (CDT) From: Richard Lee Reply-To: Richard Lee Subject: Saving from composer To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII David Miller wrote in response to another query: > . . . A workaround is to export the first message to a file, . . . Speaking of this: is it possible when composing a message in the pine composer easily to save that message in a file and return to it later. I know there is the postpone feature--and that is very handy--but it is limited. I have situations in which I start to write to someone, get a good letter going, but then decide I want to wait (for more information, for a cooler moment, whatever) before deciding whether to send it. If I simply postpone it, then I'm stuck answering "no"-- possibly for weeks--whenever I use the composer, and not being able to postpone any other messages in the meantime (or so I believe--correct me if I'm wrong). What I'd like is a "write to file" command in the pine editor. I *think* there is not currently such a feature. Again, correct me if I'm wrong. I'm sure there are work arounds--e.g., use the postpone feature, find the file that is saved as a result, and copy that file to a filename of my choice. Another work around would be to change the header to send the mail to myself, send it, and then export it from my INBOX. But maybe there could be a more straightforward way? I haven't tried slipping into an "alternate editor" (e.g. emacs or even pico) and saving from there. If I'm unusual in wanting this "write out" feature, then, since there are work arounds, there is no point in adding it. But maybe there is a more widespread interest in such a feature in an easy to use manner. I know--no more free control keys. Is it time to add an extra layer of command keys--you know, using one control key as an emacs-like "prefix." Complicates things, I know. By the way, David, thanks for your quick and clear responses to everything. -- Dr. Richard Lee rlee@uafhp.uark.edu Department of Philosophy Old Main 318 rlee@uafsysb.BITNET University of Arkansas phone: 501-575-5826 Fayetteville, AR 72701 From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Nov 18 07:30:26 1993 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA05577; Thu, 18 Nov 93 07:30:26 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA10024; Thu, 18 Nov 93 07:11:18 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from dummy1.dur.ac.uk by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA10018; Thu, 18 Nov 93 07:11:04 -0800 Received: from vega.dur.ac.uk by dummy1.dur.ac.uk with SMTP (PP) id <22896-0@dummy1.dur.ac.uk>; Thu, 18 Nov 1993 15:10:24 +0000 Received: from carina.dur.ac.uk by vega.dur.ac.uk; Thu, 18 Nov 93 15:10:08 GMT From: Barbara.Smith@durham.ac.uk Date: Thu, 18 Nov 93 15:09:19 GMT Message-Id: <11022.9311181509@carina.dur.ac.uk> To: bl10@cus.cam.ac.uk Subject: Re: Documentation for Pine (fwd) Cc: jness@edu.umn.d.ua, colinj@umich.edu, pine-info@cac.washington.edu > From Barry.Cornelius@durham.ac.uk Fri Nov 12 19:27:21 1993 > Received: from dummy1.dur.ac.uk by vega.dur.ac.uk; Fri, 12 Nov 93 19:27:11 GMT > > You neglected to mention that this documentation is based on PINE 3.05! > If anyone redoes this for the current releases, I would be grateful! > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ We have a set of Course Notes, recently updated to be applicable to version 3.8* of Pine. The document has been produced using Interleaf, and contains screen displays (but these are text, not screen dumps). I can supply a hard copy, a PostScript file, the Interleaf file, an rtf version (produced by Interleaf, readable by Word), and a plain text version to anyone who wants one. The files are available via ftp to deneb.dur.ac.uk, in the directory pub/Documents/Pine. The Interleaf files are in a subdirectory of Pine, called Interleaf. Access deneb using the username 'anonymous' Barbara Smith ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Dr. B.L. Smith Email: Barbara.Smith@durham.ac.uk Information Technology Service, Phone: (091 or +44 91) 374 2873 University of Durham, Secretary: (091 or +44 91) 374 2892 Science Laboratories Fax: (091 or +44 91) 374 3741 South Road, DURHAM, DH1 3LE UK From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Nov 18 09:01:04 1993 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA07406; Thu, 18 Nov 93 09:01:04 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA11487; Thu, 18 Nov 93 08:40:47 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from shiva1.cac.washington.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA11480; Thu, 18 Nov 93 08:40:45 -0800 Received: by shiva1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA29324; Thu, 18 Nov 93 08:40:40 -0800 Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1993 08:40:38 -0800 (PST) From: David L Miller Subject: Re: Command line mailing? To: "Amos A. Gouaux" Cc: pine-info In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII This question come up every once in a while. But, I don't really see the difference between that and % mail -s '_subject_' _user_ < _message_ About the only thing I see missing is the ability to specify a nickname from your addressbook... |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA On Thu, 18 Nov 1993, Amos A. Gouaux wrote: > While folks are dreaming about new features for pine, a colleague > stated that he would like to see pine be able to mail a message > from the command line. An example would be something like this: > > % pine -s '_subject_' _user_ < _message_ > > Is there a possibility that this can be considered for a future > version? > > Amos A. Gouaux Academic Computing Services amos@unt.edu > UNIX and CUTCP University of North Texas 817/565-4898 > Systems Support PO Box 13495, Denton, TX 76203 FAX at -4060 > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Nov 18 09:21:47 1993 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA08222; Thu, 18 Nov 93 09:21:47 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA12439; Thu, 18 Nov 93 09:06:02 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from wizard-gw.qualcomm.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA12433; Thu, 18 Nov 93 09:05:56 -0800 Received: from herbie.qualcomm.com by qualcomm.com; id AA24025 sendmail 5.65/QC-main-2.1a via SMTP Thu, 18 Nov 93 09:05:44 -0800 for dlm@cac.washington.edu Received: from localhost by herbie; id JAA19389 sendmail 8.6.4/QC-subsidiary-2.1 Thu, 18 Nov 1993 09:05:42 -0800 Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1993 09:03:09 -0800 (PST) From: Jason Hough Subject: Re: Command line mailing? To: David L Miller Cc: "Amos A. Gouaux" , pine-info In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Another advantage to this, Dave, would be to send an attachment from the command line, which is something I've often wanted to do. Perhaps: % pine -s '_subject_' -f _file.name_ _user_ < _message_ On Thu, 18 Nov 1993, David L Miller wrote: > > This question come up every once in a while. But, I don't really see the > difference between that and > > % mail -s '_subject_' _user_ < _message_ > > About the only thing I see missing is the ability to specify a nickname > from your addressbook... > > |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 > |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) > University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing > 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA > > On Thu, 18 Nov 1993, Amos A. Gouaux wrote: > > > While folks are dreaming about new features for pine, a colleague > > stated that he would like to see pine be able to mail a message > > from the command line. An example would be something like this: > > > > % pine -s '_subject_' _user_ < _message_ > > > > Is there a possibility that this can be considered for a future > > version? > > > > Amos A. Gouaux Academic Computing Services amos@unt.edu > > UNIX and CUTCP University of North Texas 817/565-4898 > > Systems Support PO Box 13495, Denton, TX 76203 FAX at -4060 > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Jason Hough | jhough@qualcomm.com From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Nov 18 09:28:04 1993 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA08525; Thu, 18 Nov 93 09:28:04 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA12502; Thu, 18 Nov 93 09:15:43 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from hopi.dtcc.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA12496; Thu, 18 Nov 93 09:15:40 -0800 Received: by hopi.dtcc.edu (5.4R2.10/200.1.1.4) id AA25082; Thu, 18 Nov 1993 12:15:26 -0500 Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1993 12:11:14 -0500 (EST) From: Ken Weaverling Subject: Re: Command line mailing? To: "Amos A. Gouaux" Cc: Pine Mailing List In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I know that this is a religous issue, etc, but I can't see the reason for having pine do command line mailing except for having it interpret address book entries. Why not just use an existing mail user agent for this, such as mailx on Sys V or Mail on BSD? I am starting to get really worried about the creeping featurism of Pine. I adopted it here because it was so simple and easy to use, that it didn't scare away novices. Thankfully, the feature-sets are my salvation. It hides stuff from the beginner until they are ready to use it. As for setting this stuff within Pine, if they can't edit an external file from the shell, they aren't ready for more features! On Thu, 18 Nov 1993, Amos A. Gouaux wrote: > While folks are dreaming about new features for pine, a colleague > stated that he would like to see pine be able to mail a message > from the command line. An example would be something like this: > > % pine -s '_subject_' _user_ < _message_ Ken Weaverling weave@dtcc.edu Manager of Computer Services Stanton/Wilmington Campuses of Delaware Technical & Community College From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Nov 18 10:11:41 1993 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA09888; Thu, 18 Nov 93 10:11:41 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA13359; Thu, 18 Nov 93 09:54:40 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from bwc.bwc.org.il by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA13353; Thu, 18 Nov 93 09:54:30 -0800 Received: from saturn.bwc.org (saturn.bwc.org.il) by bwc.bwc.org with SMTP id AA09356 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Thu, 18 Nov 1993 19:56:21 +0200 Received: by saturn.bwc.org (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA27304; Thu, 18 Nov 93 19:56:22 IST Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1993 19:03:04 +0200 (IST) From: Bob Gregory Subject: Re: Saving from composer To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 18 Nov 1993, Richard Lee wrote: > Speaking of this: is it possible when composing a message in the > pine composer easily to save that message in a file and return to it later. A number of awkward work-arounds have been suggested for this functionality. This solution works well for me: - delete all the recipients. - set Fcc: postponed - "send" the message (no recipients, only a file copy) ...so there is folder named "postponed", containing one or more messages. Later, when you want to resume composing... - enter the "postponed" folder. - forward the messages (not as MIME, to continue composing). Hint If recipient addresses are complex, and not in the address book, then "undelete" them into the message body as you delete them from the headers, and reverse the process later when you are editing the forwarded message. Why this is good - It's file system independent, and works the same way on any platform. - It keeps mail in mail folders, where mail belongs, IMHO. - Location independence (it should work fine with IMAP). Even if the composer allowed saves, addresses are still a problem. A more elaborate solution would be a special (to Pine) "postponed" folder, where such messages would be squirreled away, and the only operation would be "resume composing". The down side of this is complexity. Consider the novice who accidentally postpones a message -- the way it works now, it's impossible to forget about postponed messages. This is worth keeping. -- Bob Gregory From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Nov 18 10:27:07 1993 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA10452; Thu, 18 Nov 93 10:27:07 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA13540; Thu, 18 Nov 93 10:01:32 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from shiva1.cac.washington.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA13534; Thu, 18 Nov 93 10:01:30 -0800 Received: by shiva1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA02668; Thu, 18 Nov 93 10:01:25 -0800 Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1993 10:01:23 -0800 (PST) From: David L Miller Subject: Re: Saving from composer To: Richard Lee Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII We have an item on our requested enhancements list to add support for multiple postponed messages. Beyond that, I think you have pretty well enumerated the workarounds. I can think of another workaround that will be available when we get the bounce command implemented as well... |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA On Thu, 18 Nov 1993, Richard Lee wrote: > David Miller wrote in response to another query: > > > . . . A workaround is to export the first message to a file, . . . > > Speaking of this: is it possible when composing a message in the > pine composer easily to save that message in a file and return to it later. > I know there is the postpone feature--and that is very handy--but > it is limited. I have situations in which I start to write to someone, > get a good letter going, but then decide I want to wait (for more > information, for a cooler moment, whatever) before deciding whether to > send it. If I simply postpone it, then I'm stuck answering "no"-- > possibly for weeks--whenever I use the composer, and not being able to > postpone any other messages in the meantime (or so I believe--correct me > if I'm wrong). > What I'd like is a "write to file" command in the pine editor. I > *think* there is not currently such a feature. Again, correct me if I'm > wrong. > I'm sure there are work arounds--e.g., use the postpone feature, > find the file that is saved as a result, and copy that file to a filename > of my choice. Another work around would be to change the header to send > the mail to myself, send it, and then export it from my INBOX. But maybe > there could be a more straightforward way? I haven't tried slipping into > an "alternate editor" (e.g. emacs or even pico) and saving from there. > If I'm unusual in wanting this "write out" feature, then, since > there are work arounds, there is no point in adding it. But maybe there > is a more widespread interest in such a feature in an easy to use manner. > I know--no more free control keys. Is it time to add an extra > layer of command keys--you know, using one control key as an emacs-like > "prefix." Complicates things, I know. > By the way, David, thanks for your quick and clear responses to > everything. > > -- > > Dr. Richard Lee rlee@uafhp.uark.edu > Department of Philosophy Old Main 318 rlee@uafsysb.BITNET > University of Arkansas phone: 501-575-5826 > Fayetteville, AR 72701 > > > > > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Nov 18 10:27:41 1993 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA10509; Thu, 18 Nov 93 10:27:41 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA13719; Thu, 18 Nov 93 10:09:51 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from Krypton.Mankato.MSUS.EDU by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA13713; Thu, 18 Nov 93 10:09:49 -0800 Received: from localhost (hayden@localhost) by krypton.mankato.msus.edu (8.6.4/8.6.4) id MAA18299; Thu, 18 Nov 1993 12:13:31 -0600 Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1993 12:12:35 -0600 (CST) From: "Robert A. Hayden" Subject: Re: Command line mailing? To: Pine Info In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 18 Nov 1993, David L Miller wrote: > > This question come up every once in a while. But, I don't really see the > difference between that and > > % mail -s '_subject_' _user_ < _message_ > > About the only thing I see missing is the ability to specify a nickname > from your addressbook... That ability, to use your addressbook names, it sorely needed, for mailing to large distributions or the like. ____ Robert A. Hayden <=> hayden@krypton.mankato.msus.edu \ /__ -=-=-=-=- <=> -=-=-=-=- \/ / Finger for Geek Code Info <=> Veteran of the Bermuda Triangle \/ Finger for PGP 2.3a Public Key <=> Expeditionary Force -- 1993-1951 -=-=-=-=-=-=-=- (GEEK CODE 1.0.1) GAT d- -p+(---) c++(++++) l++ u++ e+/* m++(*)@ s-/++ n-(---) h+(*) f+ g+ w++ t++ r++ y+(*) From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Nov 18 11:20:14 1993 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA11862; Thu, 18 Nov 93 11:20:14 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA14687; Thu, 18 Nov 93 11:02:13 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from red3.cac.washington.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA14673; Thu, 18 Nov 93 11:02:00 -0800 Received: by red3.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA07330; Thu, 18 Nov 93 11:01:20 -0800 Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1993 11:00:54 -0800 (PST) From: David Wall Reply-To: David Wall Subject: Re: Saving from composer To: Bob Gregory Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu, Help-at-cac Router-Talk In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Bob, Interesting that you use (reply or forward? you didn't mention which) the Fcc: line only to postpone, ie to save to a folder. Yesterday I had a complaint from a user who used "F"orward, deleted the addresses and used Fcc just to save to another folder. (The person had found this technique, but not a simple "S"ave.) The problem is that only the From line in the mail header was getting saved, not the message. Since the person claimed that this had worked in the past, I'm guessing that it might be a problem with 3.87. The problem was reported on a Sequent Dynix/ptx system and I duplicated it on Ultrix. The bottom line is: check to make sure this is still working for you!! (I'm presuming David Miller will see this and get it to pine-bugs if appropriate.) --David Wall Computing & Communications...Client Services 3-8491 Univ. of Washington HG-45 davidw@u.washington.edu On Thu, 18 Nov 1993, Bob Gregory wrote: > Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1993 19:03:04 +0200 (IST) > From: Bob Gregory > To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu > Subject: Re: Saving from composer > > On Thu, 18 Nov 1993, Richard Lee wrote: > > > Speaking of this: is it possible when composing a message in the > > pine composer easily to save that message in a file and return to it later. > > > A number of awkward work-arounds have been suggested for this > functionality. This solution works well for me: > > - delete all the recipients. > - set Fcc: postponed > - "send" the message (no recipients, only a file copy) > > ...so there is folder named "postponed", containing one or more messages. > Later, when you want to resume composing... > > - enter the "postponed" folder. > - forward the messages (not as MIME, to continue composing). > > Hint > > If recipient addresses are complex, and not in the address book, then > "undelete" them into the message body as you delete them from the headers, > and reverse the process later when you are editing the forwarded message. > > Why this is good > > - It's file system independent, and works the same way on any platform. > - It keeps mail in mail folders, where mail belongs, IMHO. > - Location independence (it should work fine with IMAP). > > Even if the composer allowed saves, addresses are still a problem. A more > elaborate solution would be a special (to Pine) "postponed" folder, where > such messages would be squirreled away, and the only operation would be > "resume composing". The down side of this is complexity. Consider the > novice who accidentally postpones a message -- the way it works now, it's > impossible to forget about postponed messages. This is worth keeping. > > -- Bob Gregory > > > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Nov 18 11:54:33 1993 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA13301; Thu, 18 Nov 93 11:54:33 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA15447; Thu, 18 Nov 93 11:37:22 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from shiva1.cac.washington.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA15441; Thu, 18 Nov 93 11:37:14 -0800 Received: by shiva1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA04860; Thu, 18 Nov 93 11:37:10 -0800 Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1993 11:37:08 -0800 (PST) From: David L Miller Subject: Re: Saving from composer To: David Wall Cc: Bob Gregory , pine-info@cac.washington.edu, Help-at-cac Router-Talk In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII David, That bug is fixed in the upcoming Pine 3.88. Thanks for pointing it out! --DLM |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA On Thu, 18 Nov 1993, David Wall wrote: > Bob, > Interesting that you use (reply or forward? you didn't mention which) > the Fcc: line only to postpone, ie to save to a folder. > > Yesterday I had a complaint from a user who used "F"orward, deleted the > addresses and used Fcc just to save to another folder. (The person had > found this technique, but not a simple "S"ave.) The problem is that only > the From line in the mail header was getting saved, not the message. > > Since the person claimed that this had worked in the past, I'm guessing > that it might be a problem with 3.87. The problem was reported on a > Sequent Dynix/ptx system and I duplicated it on Ultrix. > > The bottom line is: check to make sure this is still working for you!! > > (I'm presuming David Miller will see this and get it to pine-bugs if > appropriate.) > > --David Wall Computing & Communications...Client Services 3-8491 > Univ. of Washington HG-45 davidw@u.washington.edu > > On Thu, 18 Nov 1993, Bob Gregory wrote: > > > Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1993 19:03:04 +0200 (IST) > > From: Bob Gregory > > To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu > > Subject: Re: Saving from composer > > > > On Thu, 18 Nov 1993, Richard Lee wrote: > > > > > Speaking of this: is it possible when composing a message in the > > > pine composer easily to save that message in a file and return to it later. > > > > > > A number of awkward work-arounds have been suggested for this > > functionality. This solution works well for me: > > > > - delete all the recipients. > > - set Fcc: postponed > > - "send" the message (no recipients, only a file copy) > > > > ...so there is folder named "postponed", containing one or more messages. > > Later, when you want to resume composing... > > > > - enter the "postponed" folder. > > - forward the messages (not as MIME, to continue composing). > > > > Hint > > > > If recipient addresses are complex, and not in the address book, then > > "undelete" them into the message body as you delete them from the headers, > > and reverse the process later when you are editing the forwarded message. > > > > Why this is good > > > > - It's file system independent, and works the same way on any platform. > > - It keeps mail in mail folders, where mail belongs, IMHO. > > - Location independence (it should work fine with IMAP). > > > > Even if the composer allowed saves, addresses are still a problem. A more > > elaborate solution would be a special (to Pine) "postponed" folder, where > > such messages would be squirreled away, and the only operation would be > > "resume composing". The down side of this is complexity. Consider the > > novice who accidentally postpones a message -- the way it works now, it's > > impossible to forget about postponed messages. This is worth keeping. > > > > -- Bob Gregory > > > > > > > > > > > > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Nov 18 11:59:21 1993 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA13510; Thu, 18 Nov 93 11:59:21 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA15745; Thu, 18 Nov 93 11:47:20 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from hermes.acs.ryerson.ca by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA15735; Thu, 18 Nov 93 11:47:12 -0800 Received: by hermes.acs.ryerson.ca (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA37113; Thu, 18 Nov 1993 14:46:04 -0500 Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1993 14:37:36 -0500 (EST) From: Paul Ribeiro Subject: Re: Command line mailing? To: Ken Weaverling Cc: Pine Mailing List In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII > book entries. Why not just use an existing mail user agent for this, > such as mailx on Sys V or Mail on BSD? so why not drop news reading from Pine then? we have news readers for that :-) I would like to be able to do a 'sendfile report1.wpf user@foo.edu' where 'sendfile' would be a script that would invoke Pine and tell it to mail to foo with an attachment that pine would mime encode. but, thats just me....I'll probably always use tin or rn for news... /P From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Nov 18 12:17:14 1993 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA14064; Thu, 18 Nov 93 12:17:14 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA13370; Thu, 18 Nov 93 12:04:31 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from relay2.UU.NET by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA13364; Thu, 18 Nov 93 12:04:28 -0800 Received: from spool.uu.net (via LOCALHOST) by relay2.UU.NET with SMTP (5.61/UUNET-internet-primary) id AA07345; Thu, 18 Nov 93 15:04:17 -0500 Received: from racerx.UUCP by uucp6.uu.net with UUCP/RMAIL (queueing-rmail) id 150328.23223; Thu, 18 Nov 1993 15:03:28 EST Received: from bert.noname (ernie) by racerx (4.1/SMI-4.0) id AA26772; Thu, 18 Nov 93 13:51:01 CST Date: Thu, 18 Nov 93 13:51:01 CST From: ken@bridge.COM (Ken Hardy) Message-Id: <9311181951.AA26772@racerx> To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: Command line mailing? Perhaps the best way to handle the "creeping featurism" issue in Pine is to adopt the unix ideal of small tools working together, especially where the command-line is at issue. A small tool to pull RFC822 addresses from the address book could work like this (with /bin/sh): mail -s "_subject_" `pineaddr _nickname_` <_message_ Another utility might be written to MIME-encode attachments: mimify _message_ _file1_ _file2_ | mail -s "_subject_" _addr_ or, if MIME requires those MIME-specific headers in the message (haven't paid that much attention): mimify -s "_subject_" -a "_addr_list_" _message_ _file1_ _file2_ where "mimify" would create the necessary headers & encapsulations and pipe it off to sendmail (or MTA of choice); not too sophisticated a task. It could borrow existing code from Pine, but not be a part of a monolithic do-all, be-all. (Of course, "`pineaddr _user_`" could be used instead of "_addr_" and "_addr_list_" in the preceeding examples.) Remember that Pine is most notable for its user interface; we have technically-sophisticated users abandoning mailtool & xmail in favor of it, and not because of MIME. These command-line issues really are not at all related to Pine as a user interface. Stand-alone, simplish command-line utilities are best for command-line usage. The majority of Pine users will never need something like this, so why burden Pine with it (and introduce new bugs with the effort)? The "pineaddr" and "mimify" utilities could be included in the Pine distribution, if the UW guys decide they want to support it. But it really doesn't need to have anything to do with Pine proper. -- Ken Hardy ken@bridge.com (racerx!ken) --__-_____--__-__--_--__-___-__-__-___---- From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Nov 18 12:47:08 1993 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA15015; Thu, 18 Nov 93 12:47:08 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA13568; Thu, 18 Nov 93 12:31:38 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from wizard-gw.qualcomm.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA13562; Thu, 18 Nov 93 12:31:35 -0800 Received: from mickey.qualcomm.com by qualcomm.com; id AA06132 sendmail 5.65/QC-main-2.1a via SMTP Thu, 18 Nov 93 12:31:26 -0800 for pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: by mickey; id AA05027 sendmail 4.1/QC-subsidiary-2.1 Thu, 18 Nov 93 12:31:25 PST for amos@unt.edu Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1993 12:30:58 -0800 (PST) From: Paul Ferraro Subject: Re: Command line mailing? To: Ken Weaverling Cc: "Amos A. Gouaux" , Pine Mailing List In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 18 Nov 1993, Ken Weaverling wrote: > I know that this is a religous issue, etc, but I can't see the reason for > having pine do command line mailing except for having it interpret address > book entries. Why not just use an existing mail user agent for this, > such as mailx on Sys V or Mail on BSD? > > I am starting to get really worried about the creeping featurism of Pine. I > adopted it here because it was so simple and easy to use, that it didn't > scare away novices. I would have to agree with Ken on this one! > > Thankfully, the feature-sets are my salvation. It hides stuff from the > beginner until they are ready to use it. As for setting this stuff within > Pine, if they can't edit an external file from the shell, they aren't ready > for more features! > > > On Thu, 18 Nov 1993, Amos A. Gouaux wrote: > > > While folks are dreaming about new features for pine, a colleague > > stated that he would like to see pine be able to mail a message > > from the command line. An example would be something like this: > > > > % pine -s '_subject_' _user_ < _message_ > > Ken Weaverling weave@dtcc.edu > Manager of Computer Services > Stanton/Wilmington Campuses of > Delaware Technical & Community College > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Nov 18 13:32:39 1993 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA16539; Thu, 18 Nov 93 13:32:39 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA17724; Thu, 18 Nov 93 13:16:54 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from shiva1.cac.washington.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA17718; Thu, 18 Nov 93 13:16:52 -0800 Received: by shiva1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA07398; Thu, 18 Nov 93 13:16:32 -0800 Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1993 13:16:30 -0800 (PST) From: David L Miller Subject: Re: Command line mailing? To: Ken Hardy Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu In-Reply-To: <9311181951.AA26772@racerx> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII If someone would like to contribute these utilities, we would be happy to include them in the contrib directory of the source distribution. |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA On Thu, 18 Nov 1993, Ken Hardy wrote: > Perhaps the best way to handle the "creeping featurism" issue in Pine > is to adopt the unix ideal of small tools working together, especially > where the command-line is at issue. A small tool to pull RFC822 > addresses from the address book could work like this (with /bin/sh): > > mail -s "_subject_" `pineaddr _nickname_` <_message_ > > Another utility might be written to MIME-encode attachments: > > mimify _message_ _file1_ _file2_ | mail -s "_subject_" _addr_ > > or, if MIME requires those MIME-specific headers in the message > (haven't paid that much attention): > > mimify -s "_subject_" -a "_addr_list_" _message_ _file1_ _file2_ > > where "mimify" would create the necessary headers & encapsulations and > pipe it off to sendmail (or MTA of choice); not too sophisticated a > task. It could borrow existing code from Pine, but not be a part of a > monolithic do-all, be-all. (Of course, "`pineaddr _user_`" could be used > instead of "_addr_" and "_addr_list_" in the preceeding examples.) > > Remember that Pine is most notable for its user interface; we have > technically-sophisticated users abandoning mailtool & xmail in favor of > it, and not because of MIME. These command-line issues really are not > at all related to Pine as a user interface. Stand-alone, simplish > command-line utilities are best for command-line usage. The majority > of Pine users will never need something like this, so why burden Pine > with it (and introduce new bugs with the effort)? The "pineaddr" and > "mimify" utilities could be included in the Pine distribution, if the > UW guys decide they want to support it. But it really doesn't need to > have anything to do with Pine proper. > > -- > Ken Hardy > ken@bridge.com (racerx!ken) --__-_____--__-__--_--__-___-__-__-___---- From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Nov 18 14:06:45 1993 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA17689; Thu, 18 Nov 93 14:06:45 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA18310; Thu, 18 Nov 93 13:47:17 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from cosmail1.CTD.ORNL.GOV by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA18302; Thu, 18 Nov 93 13:47:13 -0800 Received: from [128.219.128.57] by cosmail1.ctd.ornl.gov (8.6.4/1.34) id QAA05509; Thu, 18 Nov 1993 16:47:07 -0500 Message-Id: <199311182147.QAA05509@cosmail1.ctd.ornl.gov> X-Sender: jnm@cosmail1 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1993 16:47:07 -0500 To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: jnm@ornl.gov (Jamey Maze) Subject: unhiding "sender" header field in attached message I asked this once, but got no answer, so I'll try again. Reading a message in pine that contains an attached message, the sender header is hidden. How can I tell pine to display the sender header in the attached message? I'm using 3.87. Thanks! -- Jamey Maze Martin Marietta Energy Systems, Inc. Oak Ridge National Laboratory There's no reason to try and explain to the average person how computers work. Bits, bytes, binary numbers; most people couldn't care less. Just say it's magic, and here's how to make it do what you want. The typical person neither wants nor needs to know more. - W. T. Winston From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Nov 18 14:38:30 1993 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA18890; Thu, 18 Nov 93 14:38:30 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA19260; Thu, 18 Nov 93 14:20:54 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from brazos.is.rice.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA19254; Thu, 18 Nov 93 14:20:52 -0800 Received: by brazos.is.rice.edu (AA18889); Thu, 18 Nov 93 16:20:34 CST Message-Id: <9311182220.AA18889@brazos.is.rice.edu> Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1993 16:15:50 -0600 (CST) To: Paul Ribeiro Subject: Re: Command line mailing? From: Rick Troth Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu, Rick Troth Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII > I would like to be able to do a 'sendfile report1.wpf user@foo.edu' > where 'sendfile' would be a script that would invoke Pine and tell it > to mail to foo with an attachment that pine would mime encode. > but, thats just me.... I have such a tool. But it doesn't use Pine, so it doesn't exploit Pine's addressbooks. But it could. I intend for my tool to rely on some other (as yet undetermined) program to "explode" lists and translate aliases. If this other tool could use Pine's addressbooks, so much the better! > /P -- Rick Troth , Rice University, Information Systems From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Nov 18 15:15:01 1993 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA20288; Thu, 18 Nov 93 15:15:01 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA19989; Thu, 18 Nov 93 14:57:27 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from shiva1.cac.washington.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA19983; Thu, 18 Nov 93 14:57:25 -0800 Received: by shiva1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA10191; Thu, 18 Nov 93 14:57:15 -0800 Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1993 14:57:13 -0800 (PST) From: David L Miller Subject: Re: Problem of using Pine 3.05 in NFS environment To: Frank NG Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu, a587700@hp9000.csc.cuhk.hk In-Reply-To: <9311170322.AA01882@mx2.cac.washington.edu> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Frank, It looks like you are being bitten by the notorious NFS file locking problem. Our recommended solution is to install an IMAP server (imapd) on the system(s) that has the local storage. This way the IMAP server can manage all of the locks locally without having to worry about rpc.lockd bugs. We are working on ways to bypass the NFS locking problems, but do not have a completely satisfactory solution yet. Thanks for the report! --DLM |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA On Wed, 17 Nov 1993, Frank NG wrote: > Dear Sir, > > I have recently came across a problem of using Pine 3.05 in our NFS > environment. > > If a user's home directory is at local hard disk (not NFS mounted), > we never came across the problem. However, if a user's home directory is NFS > mounted, user can only send mail and cannot open other folders, the terminal > will be hung up. Folder INBOX is marked "READONLY". Then, a dead pine process > will stay on the workstation and cannot be killed by user or super user. > > Our environment is : > > Application server : HP9000/755 running HP-UX 9.01 > > NFS server : HP9000/800 model G50 running 9.0 > > I have also used the newly created Pine 3.87, and the problem still > happens. > > If you have any suggestions, please don't hesitate to contact me. > > Thanks & regards. > > .Frank Ng > .Computer Services Centre > .The Chinese University of Hong Kong > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Nov 18 16:05:32 1993 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA21956; Thu, 18 Nov 93 16:05:32 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA21339; Thu, 18 Nov 93 15:51:41 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from shiva1.cac.washington.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA21333; Thu, 18 Nov 93 15:51:39 -0800 Received: by shiva1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA11880; Thu, 18 Nov 93 15:51:32 -0800 Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1993 15:51:30 -0800 (PST) From: David L Miller Subject: Re: compiling pine3.87 on RS6000 To: Guenter Mueller Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Guenter, I had not seen this before on other AIX 3.2.x systems. Unfortunately there seems to be some variation among AIX 3.2.x systems that does not necessarily correspond with the version number... Thanks for the contribution! --DLM |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA On Wed, 10 Nov 1993, Guenter Mueller wrote: > Hello, > in order to compile this package on aix 3.2.4 with build a32 I have to > add an include statement to pine3.87/c-client/os_a32.c > > #include > > I think, it is easy to add this statement in the distribution. > > BTW, there was the same behavior in 3.85 > > Kind Regards > > Guenter > > Guenter Mueller gmueller@ibm4.ruf.uni-freiburg.de Phone: +49 761 203 -4622 > University of Freiburg - Computing Center FAX: -4643 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> New Phone and FAX Numbers since 10.10.93 <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Nov 18 17:11:52 1993 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA24496; Thu, 18 Nov 93 17:11:52 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA22794; Thu, 18 Nov 93 17:00:33 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from shiva1.cac.washington.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA22788; Thu, 18 Nov 93 17:00:30 -0800 Received: by shiva1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA13472; Thu, 18 Nov 93 17:00:27 -0800 Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1993 17:00:24 -0800 (PST) From: David L Miller Subject: Re: pico for news To: Matt Simmons Cc: Pine Mailing List In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Try the '-w' command line option. See the man page for other options that may be of use... |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA On Mon, 1 Nov 1993, Matt Simmons wrote: > When using pico for editting news articles, it has this annoying tendency > to automatically clip long references lines into two smaller lines, so > that I have to change them back to one line before it's a legal article > again... This was not in the pico that came with 3.07... (i.e. the pico > from 3.07 didn't divide the references line)... Can the 3.87 pico be > changed back to the 3.07 pico behavior?? > > Devoted _n______________________________________________ _________________ > Teri / \|[]|"" \ |[]| |[]| |[]| |[]| / || \ |[]| |[]| > Polo ,(_____| |()_()\___| |___| |___| |___| |___/ || \___| |___| | > Fan <_______|__|_(_)_____|__|___|__|___|__|___|__|______||______|__|___|__| > =========\ Walt Disney World Monorail System || > LCA _____\________________________________________________||_________________ > __/ This highway's in perfect shape. Quick! Thank god I'm not a > _/ Break it so we can 'fix' it! -- IDOT Motto F. I. P. =) > > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Nov 18 19:01:24 1993 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA26165; Thu, 18 Nov 93 19:01:24 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA24756; Thu, 18 Nov 93 18:46:48 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from sulu.biostat.washington.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA24750; Thu, 18 Nov 93 18:46:46 -0800 Received: from localhost by sulu.biostat.washington.edu (8.6.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.21 ) id SAA18872; Thu, 18 Nov 1993 18:45:40 -0800 From: Nancy McGough Message-Id: <199311190245.SAA18872@sulu.biostat.washington.edu> Subject: Re: pico for news To: zarthac@cs1.bradley.edu Date: Thu, 18 Nov 93 18:45:40 PST Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu In-Reply-To: ; from "David L Miller" at Nov 18, 93 5:00 pm Reply-To: Nancy McGough X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] What utility are you using to post? I haven't had any problem using plain "pico" or "pico -t" to post from nn - I just did some experiments on articles with long header lines. I'm using Pico 2.1 which I think is the latest. Thanks, Nancy Quoting David L Miller, > Try the '-w' command line option. See the man page for other options > that may be of use... > On Mon, 1 Nov 1993, Matt Simmons wrote: > > When using pico for editting news articles, it has this annoying tendency > > to automatically clip long references lines into two smaller lines, so > > that I have to change them back to one line before it's a legal article > > again... This was not in the pico that came with 3.07... (i.e. the pico > > from 3.07 didn't divide the references line)... Can the 3.87 pico be > > changed back to the 3.07 pico behavior?? From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Nov 19 00:08:56 1993 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA29260; Fri, 19 Nov 93 00:08:56 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA16604; Thu, 18 Nov 93 23:48:37 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from bradley.bradley.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA16598; Thu, 18 Nov 93 23:48:35 -0800 Received: from cs1.bradley.edu by bradley.bradley.edu with SMTP id AA07451 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.3 for pine-info@cac.washington.edu); Fri, 19 Nov 1993 01:48:33 -0600 Received: by cs1.bradley.edu (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA09441; Fri, 19 Nov 93 01:48:33 CST Date: Fri, 19 Nov 1993 01:47:17 -0600 (CST) From: Matt Simmons Subject: Re: pico for news To: Nancy McGough Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu In-Reply-To: <199311190245.SAA18872@sulu.biostat.washington.edu> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 18 Nov 1993, Nancy McGough wrote: > What utility are you using to post? I haven't had any problem > using plain "pico" or "pico -t" to post from nn - I just did some > experiments on articles with long header lines. I'm using > Pico 2.1 which I think is the latest. I'm using tin 1.2 pl2, which is the newest version... I'm going to try the -w flag tho.. Devoted _n______________________________________________ _________________ Teri / \|[]|"" \ |[]| |[]| |[]| |[]| / || \ |[]| |[]| Polo ,(_____| |()_()\___| |___| |___| |___| |___/ || \___| |___| | Fan <_______|__|_(_)_____|__|___|__|___|__|___|__|______||______|__|___|__| =========\ Walt Disney World Monorail System || LCA _____\________________________________________________||_________________ __/ This highway's in perfect shape. Quick! Thank god I'm not a _/ Break it so we can 'fix' it! -- IDOT Motto F. I. P. =) From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Nov 19 13:09:33 1993 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA15183; Fri, 19 Nov 93 13:09:33 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA08020; Fri, 19 Nov 93 12:43:34 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from ariel.unm.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA08014; Fri, 19 Nov 93 12:43:31 -0800 Received: from quincy.unm.edu by ariel.unm.edu (5.65/0.1) id ; Fri, 19 Nov 1993 13:43:30 -0700 Received: by quincy.unm.edu (5.65/DEC-Ultrix/4.3) id AA01183; Fri, 19 Nov 1993 13:41:44 -0700 Date: Fri, 19 Nov 1993 13:35:06 -0700 (MST) From: David Broudy Subject: To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII subscribe From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Nov 19 13:12:17 1993 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA15340; Fri, 19 Nov 93 13:12:17 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA07557; Fri, 19 Nov 93 12:18:02 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from shiva1.cac.washington.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA07551; Fri, 19 Nov 93 12:17:59 -0800 Received: by shiva1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA01003; Fri, 19 Nov 93 12:17:50 -0800 Date: Fri, 19 Nov 1993 12:17:46 -0800 (PST) From: David L Miller Subject: Re: input/output character mapping in Unix-Pine To: Christer Lindh Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu In-Reply-To: <9310250644.AA22737@abalon.se> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Christer, Sorry about the delayed reply. The character mapping was a desparately needed last minute enhancement added to PC-Pine. As we get more experience with it, we will decide when/how/if we want to add further character set translation to Unix Pine. I am also not sure how well ISO-646-SE terminals will work with Pine, since Pine relies on "{}|[]" for context management and such. Of course, this is not usually of concern to novice users and I assume that power users know how to bypass the problem... Thanks for the suggestion! --DLM |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA On Mon, 25 Oct 1993, Christer Lindh wrote: > A long time ago I wished for input/output character mapping for Pine > (back then it was UNIX only). Now I see that you have put it in, but > unfortunately for PC only!! > > With a slight generalization of this it becomes usable for UNIX as > well. Example; we would use it for users that have old terminals with > ISO 646-SE, the swedish 7bit charset where "{}|[]\" are replaced by > our national characters. I want to map these users input/output > to/from ISO 8859-1 else they can't read mails using 8859/1 and what > they write will become incomprehensible when viewed on a 8bit > terminal. (It'll look like a C-program...) > > It seems I could use the PC-mapping stuff if it became enabled for > UNIX as well. > > And why are the maps named by two env variables and not by entries in > the pinerc-file like all other options? > > -- > :: clindh@abalon.se :: o/ :: :: > :: Abalon AB, Stockholm, Sweden :: /@ :: Earth. :: > :: (MIME compliant) :: /!> :: Love it or leave it. :: > :: * All disclaimers apply * :: ! climb! :: :: From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Nov 19 13:32:18 1993 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA15887; Fri, 19 Nov 93 13:32:18 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA08866; Fri, 19 Nov 93 13:20:34 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from shivafs.cac.washington.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA08860; Fri, 19 Nov 93 13:20:32 -0800 Received: from ester.dsv.su.se by shivafs.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA22451; Fri, 19 Nov 93 13:20:29 -0800 X400-Received: by /PRMD=SUNET/ADMD=_/C=SE/; Relayed; 19 Nov 93 22:12:17+0100 Date: 19 Nov 93 22:12:17+0100 From: David Broudy Message-Id: <483447*@su-kom.dsv.su.se> To: "Pine mailer discussions group (pine-infoEcac.washington.edu)" , Pine Mailing List From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Nov 19 16:25:12 1993 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA20420; Fri, 19 Nov 93 16:25:12 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA12548; Fri, 19 Nov 93 16:11:08 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from shiva1.cac.washington.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA12542; Fri, 19 Nov 93 16:11:05 -0800 Received: by shiva1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA06052; Fri, 19 Nov 93 16:11:02 -0800 Date: Fri, 19 Nov 1993 16:11:00 -0800 (PST) From: David L Miller Subject: Re: name expansion To: Dave Rasmussen Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Dave, There are much better ways to work around the sendmail buffering bug than the hack to not expand local addresses. Pine 3.88 solves this by breaking the list into pieces that are more palatable to sendmail. It should be available in a few days. Thanks for the report! --DLM |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA On Fri, 12 Nov 1993, Dave Rasmussen wrote: > > I ran into a problem the other day with a professor who wanted to create a > mailing list in pine for her nursing class. The problem was that with the > name expansion sent off to sendmail, it blew sendmail's atom limit or > something and currently the mail is still sitting in the queue. > > I had hacked elm at one point to not expand local addresses. Is this > something easily done in pine or not recommended or what? > > I'm basically saying, if I send to dave (@localaddress) > I'd like it to be sent to dave > not David A. Rasmussen > --- > Dave Rasmussen - SysAdm/Hacker/Consulting Manager, UWM Computing Svcs Div. > Internet:dave@uwm.edu, Uucp:uwm!dave, Bitnet:dave%uwm.edu@INTERBIT > AT&T:414-229-5133 USmail:Box 413 EMS380,Milwaukee,WI 53201 HAM: N9REJ > > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Nov 19 17:02:21 1993 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA21556; Fri, 19 Nov 93 17:02:21 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA21294; Fri, 19 Nov 93 16:52:16 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from redvax1.dgsca.unam.mx by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA21288; Fri, 19 Nov 93 16:52:12 -0800 Received: by redvax1.dgsca.unam.mx (5.57/Ultrix3.0-C) id AA15916; Fri, 19 Nov 93 18:49:39 -0600 Date: Fri, 19 Nov 1993 18:38:54 -0600 (CST) From: "Isaias Callejas Mancilla." Subject: pine in memory... To: The PINE List Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hi dear list, I want to improve the perform of my system and response time, is there some way for have PINE resident in memory ?? I have got a Microvax 3400 on Ultrix ... An idea?? Thank's in advance... /####### E. Isaias Callejas M. /# /############ Group System Managers from Microvax 3400 System /## /############## Coordination of Computing Services ### /## ### Academic Computing ### ### ### National University of Mexico ### ########## ### ### ### ### ================================================= ### ##/ ### ##############/ ##/ Internet : isma@redvax1.dgsca.unam.mx ############/ #/ Bitnet : isma@redvax1.bitnet #######/ From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Nov 19 19:28:59 1993 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA24120; Fri, 19 Nov 93 19:28:59 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA15029; Fri, 19 Nov 93 19:04:44 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from Krypton.Mankato.MSUS.EDU by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA15022; Fri, 19 Nov 93 19:04:42 -0800 Received: from localhost (hayden@localhost) by krypton.mankato.msus.edu (8.6.4/8.6.4) id VAA27225; Fri, 19 Nov 1993 21:08:25 -0600 Date: Fri, 19 Nov 1993 21:06:46 -0600 (CST) From: "Robert A. Hayden" Subject: More Dreams: Compressed Folders To: Pine Info Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I'm wondering if there are any immediate/future plans to implement the ability within pine to manipulate folders that are compressed. I know that I have about 500 to 1000k in various and sundry folders, and if I could compress them, it sure would be a boon on my quota limited system. Thanks :) ____ Robert A. Hayden <=> hayden@krypton.mankato.msus.edu \ /__ -=-=-=-=- <=> -=-=-=-=- \/ / Finger for Geek Code Info <=> Veteran of the Bermuda Triangle \/ Finger for PGP 2.3a Public Key <=> Expeditionary Force -- 1993-1951 -=-=-=-=-=-=-=- (GEEK CODE 1.0.1) GAT d- -p+(---) c++(++++) l++ u++ e+/* m++(*)@ s-/++ n-(---) h+(*) f+ g+ w++ t++ r++ y+(*) From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Nov 19 20:03:40 1993 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA24400; Fri, 19 Nov 93 20:03:40 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA15265; Fri, 19 Nov 93 19:40:31 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from shiva2.cac.washington.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA15259; Fri, 19 Nov 93 19:40:29 -0800 Received: by shiva2.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA11417; Fri, 19 Nov 93 19:40:22 -0800 Date: Fri, 19 Nov 1993 19:40:21 -0800 (PST) From: David L Miller Reply-To: David L Miller Subject: Re: pine in memory... To: "Isaias Callejas Mancilla." Cc: The PINE List In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Isaias, There are some other things you can look at that should improve performance more than just locking Pine resident. If you normally keep alot of messages in your inbox, you can probably get a considerable speedup by switching to a Tenex format INBOX. You can convert your inbox to Tenex format by creating an empty file called "mail.TxT" in your home directory. Note that other mail programs will not be able to read the Tenex inbox. --DLM |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA On Fri, 19 Nov 1993, Isaias Callejas Mancilla. wrote: > Hi dear list, > I want to improve the perform of my system and response time, is > there some way for have PINE resident in memory ?? > I have got a Microvax 3400 on Ultrix ... > > An idea?? > > Thank's in advance... > > > /####### E. Isaias Callejas M. > /# /############ Group System Managers from Microvax 3400 System > /## /############## Coordination of Computing Services > ### /## ### Academic Computing > ### ### ### National University of Mexico > ### ########## ### > ### ### ### ================================================= > ### ##/ ### > ##############/ ##/ Internet : isma@redvax1.dgsca.unam.mx > ############/ #/ Bitnet : isma@redvax1.bitnet > #######/ > > > > > > > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Nov 19 20:05:30 1993 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA24461; Fri, 19 Nov 93 20:05:30 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA15291; Fri, 19 Nov 93 19:42:11 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from shiva1.cac.washington.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA15285; Fri, 19 Nov 93 19:42:10 -0800 Received: by shiva1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA15196; Fri, 19 Nov 93 19:42:07 -0800 Date: Fri, 19 Nov 1993 19:42:06 -0800 (PST) From: Terry Gray Subject: Re: More Dreams: Compressed Folders To: "Robert A. Hayden" Cc: Pine Info In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Robert, You are not the first to suggest this, and it is on the ever-growing "requested enhancement list". Can't make any promises yet, though. -teg On Fri, 19 Nov 1993, Robert A. Hayden wrote: > I'm wondering if there are any immediate/future plans to implement the > ability within pine to manipulate folders that are compressed. I know > that I have about 500 to 1000k in various and sundry folders, and if I > could compress them, it sure would be a boon on my quota limited system. > > Thanks :) > > ____ Robert A. Hayden <=> hayden@krypton.mankato.msus.edu > \ /__ -=-=-=-=- <=> -=-=-=-=- > \/ / Finger for Geek Code Info <=> Veteran of the Bermuda Triangle > \/ Finger for PGP 2.3a Public Key <=> Expeditionary Force -- 1993-1951 > -=-=-=-=-=-=-=- > (GEEK CODE 1.0.1) GAT d- -p+(---) c++(++++) l++ u++ e+/* m++(*)@ s-/++ > n-(---) h+(*) f+ g+ w++ t++ r++ y+(*) > > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Nov 19 20:09:19 1993 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA24547; Fri, 19 Nov 93 20:09:19 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA15322; Fri, 19 Nov 93 19:45:24 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from shiva2.cac.washington.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA15316; Fri, 19 Nov 93 19:45:22 -0800 Received: by shiva2.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA11540; Fri, 19 Nov 93 19:45:19 -0800 Date: Fri, 19 Nov 1993 19:45:18 -0800 (PST) From: David L Miller Subject: Re: More Dreams: Compressed Folders To: "Robert A. Hayden" Cc: Pine Info In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Robert, We have no plans to implement compressed folders. However, it should not be very difficult to implement a c-client driver to implement compressed folders. See the c-client/mbox.c file in the Pine distribution for an example of how to write a driver that inherits most of it's code from another driver. --DLM |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA On Fri, 19 Nov 1993, Robert A. Hayden wrote: > I'm wondering if there are any immediate/future plans to implement the > ability within pine to manipulate folders that are compressed. I know > that I have about 500 to 1000k in various and sundry folders, and if I > could compress them, it sure would be a boon on my quota limited system. > > Thanks :) > > ____ Robert A. Hayden <=> hayden@krypton.mankato.msus.edu > \ /__ -=-=-=-=- <=> -=-=-=-=- > \/ / Finger for Geek Code Info <=> Veteran of the Bermuda Triangle > \/ Finger for PGP 2.3a Public Key <=> Expeditionary Force -- 1993-1951 > -=-=-=-=-=-=-=- > (GEEK CODE 1.0.1) GAT d- -p+(---) c++(++++) l++ u++ e+/* m++(*)@ s-/++ > n-(---) h+(*) f+ g+ w++ t++ r++ y+(*) > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Nov 20 04:03:41 1993 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA28623; Sat, 20 Nov 93 04:03:41 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA18460; Sat, 20 Nov 93 03:51:19 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from zuni.dtcc.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA18454; Sat, 20 Nov 93 03:51:16 -0800 Received: by zuni.dtcc.edu (5.4R2.10/200.1.1.4) id AA03460; Sat, 20 Nov 1993 06:51:11 -0500 Date: Sat, 20 Nov 1993 06:45:44 -0500 (EST) From: Ken Weaverling Subject: Save before leaving? (Y/N) To: Pine Mailing List Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII It happened to me again, I answered No, when I meant to return to editing and lost everything! But this time I stopped to think about why I unconsciously repeated this same stupid mistake when I know better. I am usually in a hurry, and subconsciously saw the word "leaving" right next to Y/N and *THAT* word stuck in my mind, therefore since I didn't want to "leave" I answered N. Perhaps it could be reworded as.... Before leaving, would you like to save? (Y/N) Then the key word "save" is right near where the action is to take place and where the eye's focus is, and that is the location of the cursor. I think I can manage this code change locally :-), but thought I'd toss it out for consideration as well... Ken Weaverling weave@dtcc.edu Manager of Computer Services Stanton/Wilmington Campuses of Delaware Technical & Community College From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Nov 20 04:31:41 1993 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA29262; Sat, 20 Nov 93 04:31:41 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA18785; Sat, 20 Nov 93 04:21:33 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from zuni.dtcc.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA18779; Sat, 20 Nov 93 04:21:31 -0800 Received: by zuni.dtcc.edu (5.4R2.10/200.1.1.4) id AA03480; Sat, 20 Nov 1993 07:21:30 -0500 Date: Sat, 20 Nov 1993 07:06:12 -0500 (EST) From: Ken Weaverling Subject: Re: Save before leaving? (Y/N) To: Pine Mailing List In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Can I reply to my own post?! :-) Just realized more... the behavior of pico and pine are different in this respect, and that may be what throws me off time and time again. In pine, if I hit ^X it asks me if I want to send the message. If I say N then I return to editing. I have to press ^C to cancel. In pico if I answer N I exit the program. So the inconsistency is the problem. Don't know the solution. Some companies spend big bucks studying user interface design issues so I'll leave suggestions to others! My job is to just whine! On Sat, 20 Nov 1993, Ken Weaverling wrote: > It happened to me again, I answered No, when I meant to return to editing > and lost everything! But this time I stopped to think about why I > unconsciously repeated this same stupid mistake when I know better. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Nov 20 16:02:55 1993 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA04395; Sat, 20 Nov 93 16:02:55 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA22986; Sat, 20 Nov 93 15:50:30 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from scapa.cs.ualberta.ca by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA22980; Sat, 20 Nov 93 15:50:23 -0800 Received: from isagate by scapa.cs.ualberta.ca with UUCP id <18663-2>; Sat, 20 Nov 1993 16:49:58 -0700 Received: by isagate.edm.isac.ca (/\==/\ Smail3.1.20.1 #20.1) id ; Sat, 20 Nov 93 15:23 MST Received: by isasun-1.edm.isac.ca (Smail3.1.28.1 #1) id m0p10m7-000cujC; Sat, 20 Nov 93 15:27 MST Date: Sat, 20 Nov 1993 15:13:51 -0700 From: Steve Hole Subject: Re: More Dreams: Compressed Folders To: David L Miller Cc: "Robert A. Hayden" , Pine Info In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Fri, 19 Nov 1993, David L Miller wrote: > > Robert, > > We have no plans to implement compressed folders. However, it should not > be very difficult to implement a c-client driver to implement compressed > folders. See the c-client/mbox.c file in the Pine distribution for an > example of how to write a driver that inherits most of it's code from > another driver. We have plans to implement a new (hopefully) generic driver that exhibits characteristics: (1) Hierarchical folder structure mapped onto the hierarchical folder system. If the host systems does not support hierarchy, then we will have a variant that just uses filesystem namespace encoding to emulate hierarchy. (2) Per-file store of messages. This should allow individual messages to be locked. (3) Message compression. Messages will be stored compressed. This new driver will converge with similar local transport support developed for our MTA's that will allow the MTA to write into the folder space, do cross linking of messages on delivery and write compressed files. It will also provide an API for managing message archival on the system. We see this as being very important for providing mail service independent of the UNIX server host environment. Theoretically, the IMAP server will use Kerberos for authentications and production rules based on the Kerberos user information to locate and identify user folder spaces. Deployment of remote mail systems in large sites is dependent on MS/MTA convergence support to support large organization mail administration. Plans for providing this new folder structure are to begin implementation in January. We are busy acquiring additional resources for making this happen. We will of course make this available to the Pine development team if they don't do something first. Cheers. -- Steve Hole Director of Research and Communications ISA Corporation mail: Steve.Hole@Edm.ISAC.CA Suite 835, 10040 - 104 St. phone: (403) 420-8081 Edmonton, Alberta, Canada fax: (403) 420-8037 T5J 0Z2 From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Nov 22 08:19:33 1993 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA25502; Mon, 22 Nov 93 08:19:33 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA09707; Mon, 22 Nov 93 07:58:50 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from ariel.unm.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA09700; Mon, 22 Nov 93 07:58:48 -0800 Received: from quincy.unm.edu by ariel.unm.edu (5.65/0.1) id ; Mon, 22 Nov 1993 08:58:44 -0700 Received: by quincy.unm.edu (5.65/DEC-Ultrix/4.3) id AA10202; Mon, 22 Nov 1993 08:56:59 -0700 Date: Mon, 22 Nov 1993 08:21:51 -0700 (MST) From: David Broudy Subject: PINE: delay between send and receipt of mail To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII PINE here runs on a lightly loaded DS5000/240 under ULTRIX. Intermittently, we notice long delays in receiving mail. For example last week I sent a short message to the next cubicle at 8:30 am, it arrived as new mail at 4:00. Most of our 40 users have access to v3.07, a few of us are using 3.87. Can someone give a suggestion on how to diagnose/remedy this? Will upgrading to the current version help? ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ + David Broudy, Computer Manager, Ofc Medical Investigator + + UNM School of Medicine, Albuquerque, NM 87131-5091 + + 505/277-3234,3053 242-7108 dbroudy@quincy.unm.edu + ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Nov 22 08:58:14 1993 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA26119; Mon, 22 Nov 93 08:58:14 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA04598; Mon, 22 Nov 93 08:36:24 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from tenorman.uoregon.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA04578; Mon, 22 Nov 93 08:34:43 -0800 Received: by tenorman.uoregon.edu (5.0/UofO NetSvc-12/02/92 SMI-SVR4) id AA01888; Mon, 22 Nov 1993 08:32:52 +0800 Date: Mon, 22 Nov 1993 08:32:52 +0800 From: jneher@darkwing.uoregon.edu (Jonathan Neher) Message-Id: <9311221632.AA01888@tenorman.uoregon.edu> To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: Another pine problem reported... Can you help this user? Cc: rhaller@oregon.uoregon.edu, joe@oregon.uoregon.edu, pkangas@darkwing.uoregon.edu X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Content-Length: 919 I haven't heard of this from anyone else. I haven't been able to duplicate it either. I looked at the pkangas .pinerc and see nothing unusual. Anyone seen this before with pine 3.87 on a Sun machines running SunOS 4.1.3? Please respond via e-mail. Thanks, Jon > >Date: Fri, 19 Nov 1993 11:18:23 -0800 (PST) > >From: Pertti Olavi Kangas > >Subject: Problems with pine ?? > >To: Joe St Sauver > >Message-ID: > >MIME-Version: 1.0 > >Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII > >Status: R > > > > > > > >this is what happened several times when I tried to send mail: > > > > Bug in Pine detected: "Received abort signal". > > Exiting pine. > > Arithmetic exception (core dumped) > > 2% exit > > > >- could you please explain? > > Thanks, Pertti > > > > > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Nov 22 10:58:14 1993 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA29768; Mon, 22 Nov 93 10:58:14 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA13288; Mon, 22 Nov 93 10:36:32 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from stein.u.washington.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA13275; Mon, 22 Nov 93 10:36:28 -0800 Received: by stein2.u.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA15408; Mon, 22 Nov 93 10:36:13 -0800 X-Sender: mramey@stein2.u.washington.edu Date: Mon, 22 Nov 1993 10:35:23 -0800 (PST) From: Mike Ramey Subject: Re: Save before leaving? (Y/N) To: Ken Weaverling Cc: Pine Mailing List In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII That's an even better explanation! Thanks, -mr On Sat, 20 Nov 1993, Ken Weaverling wrote: > Just realized more... the behavior of pico and pine are different in this > respect, and that may be what throws me off time and time again. In pine, > if I hit ^X it asks me if I want to send the message. If I say N then I > return to editing. I have to press ^C to cancel. In pico if I answer N > I exit the program. > > So the inconsistency is the problem. Don't know the solution. Some > companies spend big bucks studying user interface design issues so I'll > leave suggestions to others! My job is to just whine! From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Nov 22 11:00:13 1993 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA29963; Mon, 22 Nov 93 11:00:13 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA13244; Mon, 22 Nov 93 10:35:22 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from stein.u.washington.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA13235; Mon, 22 Nov 93 10:35:09 -0800 Received: by stein2.u.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA15136; Mon, 22 Nov 93 10:35:02 -0800 X-Sender: mramey@stein2.u.washington.edu Date: Mon, 22 Nov 1993 10:32:17 -0800 (PST) From: Mike Ramey Subject: Re: Save before leaving? (Y/N) To: Pine Mailing List In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII The problem is you have just initiated an 'exit' procedure, and the 'no' response should abort the exit procedure (and return you to the edit mode). There is no reason it should be impossible to abort the exit function, an accidental ^X should be abortable. -mr On Sat, 20 Nov 1993, Ken Weaverling wrote: > It happened to me again, I answered No, when I meant to return to editing > and lost everything! But this time I stopped to think about why I > unconsciously repeated this same stupid mistake when I know better. > > I am usually in a hurry, and subconsciously saw the word "leaving" right > next to Y/N and *THAT* word stuck in my mind, therefore since I didn't > want to "leave" I answered N. > > Perhaps it could be reworded as.... > > Before leaving, would you like to save? (Y/N) > > Then the key word "save" is right near where the action is to take place > and where the eye's focus is, and that is the location of the cursor. > > I think I can manage this code change locally :-), but thought I'd toss > it out for consideration as well... From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Nov 22 15:30:42 1993 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA07409; Mon, 22 Nov 93 15:30:42 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA06588; Mon, 22 Nov 93 14:34:28 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from redvax1.dgsca.unam.mx by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA06582; Mon, 22 Nov 93 14:34:24 -0800 Received: by redvax1.dgsca.unam.mx (5.57/Ultrix3.0-C) id AA19596; Mon, 22 Nov 93 16:31:42 -0600 Date: Mon, 22 Nov 1993 16:16:23 -0600 (CST) From: "Isaias Callejas Mancilla." Subject: Re: PINE: delay between send and receipt of mail To: David Broudy Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Mon, 22 Nov 1993, David Broudy wrote: > > PINE here runs on a lightly loaded DS5000/240 under ULTRIX. > Intermittently, we notice long delays in receiving mail. For example last > week I sent a short message to the next cubicle at 8:30 am, it arrived as > new mail at 4:00. Most of our 40 users have access to v3.07, a few of > us are using 3.87. Can someone give a suggestion on how to > diagnose/remedy this? Will upgrading to the current version help? > > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > + David Broudy, Computer Manager, Ofc Medical Investigator + > + UNM School of Medicine, Albuquerque, NM 87131-5091 + > + 505/277-3234,3053 242-7108 dbroudy@quincy.unm.edu + > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > > > Hi David, I don't think that PINE is the originator of this, I think in other causes, for example : - Recipient/Sent system is very busy with other programs. - Problem of Network (neck of bottle) Check you "syslog" file for messages "queued" and you can to reduce this increase the privilege for /usr/lib/sendmail... Isa. /####### E. Isaias Callejas M. /# /############ Grupo de Administradores del Equipo Microvax 3400 /## /############## Coordinacion de Servicios de Computo ### /## ### Computo Academico ### ### ### Universidad Nacional Autonoma de Mexico ### ########## ### ### ### ### ================================================ ### ##/ ### ##############/ ##/ Internet : isma@redvax1.dgsca.unam.mx ############/ #/ Bitnet : isma@redvax1.bitnet #######/ From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Nov 23 08:31:59 1993 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA21078; Tue, 23 Nov 93 08:31:59 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA29762; Tue, 23 Nov 93 08:06:41 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from omega.qmw.ac.uk by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA29754; Tue, 23 Nov 93 08:06:34 -0800 Received: from osprey.elec.qmw.ac.uk by omega.qmw.ac.uk with SMTP-DNS (PP) id <04609-0@omega.qmw.ac.uk>; Tue, 23 Nov 1993 15:59:17 +0000 Received: by osprey.elec.qmw.ac.uk (Smail3.1-QMWee); id m0p1id0-00022mC; Mon, 22 Nov 93 21:16 GMT Date: Mon, 22 Nov 1993 21:14:01 +0000 (GMT) From: Laurie Cuthbert Subject: something for the wish list .. To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII At present the mail spool directory on each cluster server is NFS mounted to the rest of the machines in that group. Everyone's login script runs the elm "frm" command to list the messages in their inbox on login. As we move to using an imap-based mail system (with pine and ECS) it would be nice to have an imap-based version of the "frm" program - a _small_ program that just lists the inbox and exits. Regards Laurie Cuthbert From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Nov 23 09:31:26 1993 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA23173; Tue, 23 Nov 93 09:31:26 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA01243; Tue, 23 Nov 93 09:04:57 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from shiva1.cac.washington.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA01235; Tue, 23 Nov 93 09:04:55 -0800 Received: by shiva1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA09819; Tue, 23 Nov 93 09:04:40 -0800 Date: Tue, 23 Nov 1993 09:04:37 -0800 (PST) From: David L Miller Subject: Re: something for the wish list .. To: Laurie Cuthbert Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Laurie, Yes, it would be nice to have c-client based frm, filter, biff, xbiff, ... We will work on them as resources permit, but they would be fairly easy introductions to c-client programming. If anyone is interested, let us know and we will reserve it for you :) --DLM |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA On Mon, 22 Nov 1993, Laurie Cuthbert wrote: > > At present the mail spool directory on each cluster server is NFS mounted > to the rest of the machines in that group. Everyone's login script runs > the elm "frm" command to list the messages in their inbox on login. > > As we move to using an imap-based mail system (with pine and ECS) it > would be nice to have an imap-based version of the "frm" program - a _small_ > program that just lists the inbox and exits. > > Regards > > Laurie Cuthbert > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Nov 23 11:39:32 1993 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA26721; Tue, 23 Nov 93 11:39:32 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA04110; Tue, 23 Nov 93 11:11:23 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from nexus.yorku.ca by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA04100; Tue, 23 Nov 93 11:11:18 -0800 Received: from vortex.yorku.ca ([130.63.232.15]) by nexus.yorku.ca with SMTP id <9217>; Tue, 23 Nov 1993 14:11:06 -0500 Received: by vortex.yorku.ca (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA10244; Tue, 23 Nov 93 14:10:48 EST Date: Tue, 23 Nov 1993 14:06:08 -0500 From: Ian Lumb Subject: Deleting and expunging a single message -> core dump To: PINE INFO Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Disclaimer: This report may have already appeared on this list; if so, please accept my apologies. We are using Pine 3.87 on a Sun SPARC 10/30 running SunOS 4.1.3. I have found repeatedly, that deleting and expunging a single message from my inbox, leads to a core dump. The error message is as follows: Bug in Pine detected: "Bad msgno in mail_fetchstructure". Exiting pine. Floating exception (core dumped) Are others experiencing this? If so, are there plans to rectify this small problem in Pine 3.88? Ian. -- Ian Lumb Internet: Earth & Atmospheric Science, York University North York, Ontario M3J 1P3, CANADA Voice: (416) 736-5245; Fax: (416) 736-5817 From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Nov 23 13:05:03 1993 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA29002; Tue, 23 Nov 93 13:05:03 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA05830; Tue, 23 Nov 93 12:43:28 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from shiva1.cac.washington.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA05822; Tue, 23 Nov 93 12:43:24 -0800 Received: by shiva1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA15878; Tue, 23 Nov 93 12:43:18 -0800 Date: Tue, 23 Nov 1993 12:43:05 -0800 (PST) From: David L Miller Subject: Re: Deleting and expunging a single message -> core dump To: Ian Lumb Cc: PINE INFO In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Ian, We believe that we have fixed all occurances of the "Bad msgno in mail_fetchstructure" crash in Pine 3.88, which is *very* close to release. Thanks for the report! --DLM |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA On Tue, 23 Nov 1993, Ian Lumb wrote: > Disclaimer: This report may have already appeared on this list; if so, > please accept my apologies. > > We are using Pine 3.87 on a Sun SPARC 10/30 running SunOS 4.1.3. I have > found repeatedly, that deleting and expunging a single message from my > inbox, leads to a core dump. The error message is as follows: > > Bug in Pine detected: "Bad msgno in > mail_fetchstructure". Exiting pine. > Floating exception (core dumped) > > Are others experiencing this? If so, are there plans to rectify this > small problem in Pine 3.88? > > Ian. > > > > > -- > Ian Lumb Internet: > Earth & Atmospheric Science, York University > North York, Ontario M3J 1P3, CANADA > Voice: (416) 736-5245; Fax: (416) 736-5817 > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Nov 23 13:05:52 1993 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA29094; Tue, 23 Nov 93 13:05:52 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA12235; Tue, 23 Nov 93 12:46:44 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from tomobiki-cho.cac.washington.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA12229; Tue, 23 Nov 93 12:46:39 -0800 Received: from localhost by Tomobiki-Cho.CAC.Washington.EDU (NX5.67d/UW-NDC Revision: 2.27.MRC ) id AA08523; Tue, 23 Nov 93 12:46:30 -0800 Date: Tue, 23 Nov 1993 12:46:09 -0800 (PST) From: Mark Crispin Subject: re: Deleting and expunging a single message -> core dump To: Ian Lumb Cc: PINE INFO In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII On Tue, 23 Nov 1993 14:06:08 -0500, Ian Lumb wrote: > We are using Pine 3.87 on a Sun SPARC 10/30 running SunOS 4.1.3. I have > found repeatedly, that deleting and expunging a single message from my > inbox, leads to a core dump. The error message is as follows: > > Bug in Pine detected: "Bad msgno in > mail_fetchstructure". Exiting pine. > Floating exception (core dumped) > > Are others experiencing this? If so, are there plans to rectify this > small problem in Pine 3.88? We believe that this bug is fixed in Pine 3.88 From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Nov 23 14:01:53 1993 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA00399; Tue, 23 Nov 93 14:01:53 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA06714; Tue, 23 Nov 93 13:33:26 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from corona.med.utah.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA06708; Tue, 23 Nov 93 13:33:24 -0800 Received: from comet.med.utah.edu by corona.med.utah.edu (4.1/SMI-4.0 [uucc-nhj/15FEB1991]) id AA03231; Tue, 23 Nov 93 14:33:19 MST Received: by comet.med.utah.edu (5.57/Ultrix3.0-C) id AA02514; Tue, 23 Nov 93 14:33:20 -0700 Date: Tue, 23 Nov 1993 14:29:34 -0700 (MST) From: "Paul G. Leo Jr." Subject: error saving ..../.pinerc - cross device link -- what's it mean? To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hi -- All of sudden (I know, yeah right!!!) I get the following message when I start up pine (ultrix v 4.2 pine v 3.87) error saving ..../.pinerc - cross device link My home directory is on another machine, but it's been that way forever. what's it mean? Paul Leo e-mail paulleo@comet.med.utah.edu University of Utah Medical School paulleo@utahmed.bitnet Eccles Institute of Human Genetics Building 533 Room 2100 phone 801-585-3653 Salt Lake City, Utah 84106 fax 801-585-3910 From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Nov 23 16:13:04 1993 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA04933; Tue, 23 Nov 93 16:13:04 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA09457; Tue, 23 Nov 93 15:45:11 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from shiva1.cac.washington.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA09451; Tue, 23 Nov 93 15:45:01 -0800 Received: by shiva1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA19798; Tue, 23 Nov 93 15:44:50 -0800 Date: Tue, 23 Nov 1993 15:44:49 -0800 (PST) From: David L Miller Subject: Re: error saving ..../.pinerc - cross device link -- what's it mean? To: "Paul G. Leo Jr." Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Paul, When Pine updates the .pinerc file, it writes a new one then deletes the old one and renames the new one. It will first attempt to write the new tempfile in the same directory as the old .pinerc. If that fails, it will try /usr/tmp then /tmp. Therefore, if the directory your .pinerc is in (usually your home directory) is unwritable for some reason, you will get the "cross device link" message. I hope this helps! --DLM |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA On Tue, 23 Nov 1993, Paul G. Leo Jr. wrote: > > Hi -- > > All of sudden (I know, yeah right!!!) I get the following message when I > start up pine (ultrix v 4.2 pine v 3.87) > > error saving ..../.pinerc - cross device link > > My home directory is on another machine, but it's been that way forever. > > what's it mean? > > > Paul Leo e-mail paulleo@comet.med.utah.edu > University of Utah Medical School paulleo@utahmed.bitnet > Eccles Institute of Human Genetics > Building 533 Room 2100 phone 801-585-3653 > Salt Lake City, Utah 84106 fax 801-585-3910 > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Nov 23 20:05:35 1993 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA08841; Tue, 23 Nov 93 20:05:35 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA12837; Tue, 23 Nov 93 19:56:16 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from OES.ORST.EDU by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA12831; Tue, 23 Nov 93 19:56:13 -0800 Received: by OES.ORST.EDU id AA12941 (5.65b/IDA-1.4.3); Tue, 23 Nov 93 19:56:12 -0800 Date: Tue, 23 Nov 1993 19:52:44 -0800 (PST) From: Michael Johnson Subject: Saving a message into another folder... To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Is there any way I can disable the second confirmation when I save a message from one folder to another? For example, I move my completed tasks from my main inbox to a folder called "projects", so I type "s" from index to save the message, then ^T to get a list of the folders, I select "projects" and hit return, then it brings up a line that I have to hit return again on to actually have it save the message. Is there any way to have it just save the message in the folder and not have to hit return again?(like it was in 3.05) Michael Johnson Unix Systems Support johnsom@oes.orst.edu Oregon Extension Services Corvallis Oregon (503) 737-0699 Work From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Nov 23 20:24:07 1993 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA09063; Tue, 23 Nov 93 20:24:07 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA12980; Tue, 23 Nov 93 20:09:20 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from CSOS.ORST.EDU by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA12974; Tue, 23 Nov 93 20:09:18 -0800 Received: from localhost (langfod@localhost) by CSOS.ORST.EDU (8.6.4/8.6.4) id UAA18063 for pine-info@cac.washington.edu; Tue, 23 Nov 1993 20:09:18 -0800 From: David Langford Message-Id: <199311240409.UAA18063@CSOS.ORST.EDU> Subject: Pine news index and time zones? To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Date: Tue, 23 Nov 1993 20:09:17 -0800 (PST) Organization: OSU CS Outreach Service, Corvallis OR USA X-Blank-Line: This space intentionaly left blank. X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 564 Is there any reason that the pine news indexer doesnt convert the date in news articles to local time zones? Is it a configuration problem or can pine not deal with time zones? Thanks, -David Langford -- +---------------------------------------------------------------+ | David Langford - Corvallis, OR langfod@csos.orst.edu | | Director of Hardware/Software Affairs | | Computer Science OutReach Services, Oregon State University | +---------------------------------------------------------------+ From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Nov 24 13:27:51 1993 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA29308; Wed, 24 Nov 93 13:27:51 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA26169; Wed, 24 Nov 93 13:11:41 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from mcmail.CIS.McMaster.CA by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA26161; Wed, 24 Nov 93 13:11:31 -0800 Received: by mcmail.cis.mcmaster.ca id AA29880 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for pine-info@cac.washington.edu); Wed, 24 Nov 1993 16:11:56 -0500 Date: Wed, 24 Nov 1993 16:06:55 -0500 (EST) From: Muriel McKay Subject: wish list ? Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I'd like a simple way to invoke spell -b to use the British spelling . I'm not very technical and we are still on pine 3.07 so perhaps something has been done already or is on the cards . Is there a simple way to do this already ? I figure the spell.c file in pico is where the change needs to be made . =============================================================================== Muriel McKay, Analyst, Desktop Computing Support. CIS. ABB132 ext. 23630 From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Nov 24 13:51:40 1993 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA00474; Wed, 24 Nov 93 13:51:40 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA26871; Wed, 24 Nov 93 13:37:35 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from shiva1.cac.washington.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA26865; Wed, 24 Nov 93 13:37:34 -0800 Received: by shiva1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA11892; Wed, 24 Nov 93 13:37:28 -0800 Date: Wed, 24 Nov 1993 13:37:27 -0800 (PST) From: David L Miller Subject: Re: wish list ? To: Muriel McKay Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Muriel, You can do this very easily by setting the SPELL environment variable before entering Pine. If you are running csh, the command is setenv SPELL "spell -b" --DLM |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA On Wed, 24 Nov 1993, Muriel McKay wrote: > > I'd like a simple way to invoke spell -b to use the British spelling . > I'm not very technical and we are still on pine 3.07 so perhaps something > has been done already or is on the cards . Is there a simple way to do > this already ? I figure the spell.c file in pico is where the change needs > to be made . > > > =============================================================================== > Muriel McKay, > Analyst, Desktop Computing Support. > CIS. ABB132 ext. 23630 > > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Nov 24 14:21:37 1993 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA01237; Wed, 24 Nov 93 14:21:37 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA19563; Wed, 24 Nov 93 14:05:37 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from uafhp.uark.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA19557; Wed, 24 Nov 93 14:05:30 -0800 Received: by uafhp.uark.edu (1.37.109.4/15.6) id AA15336; Wed, 24 Nov 93 16:03:25 -0600 Date: Wed, 24 Nov 1993 16:02:11 -0500 (CDT) From: Richard Lee Subject: Re: wish list ? To: Muriel McKay Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 24 Nov 1993, Muriel McKay wrote: > I'd like a simple way to invoke spell -b to use the British spelling . > I'm not very technical and we are still on pine 3.07 so perhaps something > has been done already or is on the cards . Is there a simple way to do > this already ? I figure the spell.c file in pico is where the change needs > to be made . Try adding this to your .profile or .login: SPELL="spell -b " export SPELL That ought to work. (I'm not an expert on this stuff, so if I'm wrong, just send me back to my philosophy books.) -- Dr. Richard Lee rlee@uafhp.uark.edu Department of Philosophy Old Main 318 rlee@uafsysb.BITNET University of Arkansas phone: 501-575-5826 Fayetteville, AR 72701 From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Nov 24 16:39:57 1993 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA05042; Wed, 24 Nov 93 16:39:57 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA00277; Wed, 24 Nov 93 16:26:52 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from shiva1.cac.washington.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA00271; Wed, 24 Nov 93 16:26:50 -0800 Received: by shiva1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA16143; Wed, 24 Nov 93 16:26:47 -0800 Date: Wed, 24 Nov 1993 16:26:46 -0800 (PST) From: David L Miller Subject: Re: Saving a message into another folder... To: Michael Johnson Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Michael, This is a suggestion that has come up a couple times lately. We will put it on the list of requested enhancements as a feature-list option. Thanks for the suggestion! --DLM |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA On Tue, 23 Nov 1993, Michael Johnson wrote: > Is there any way I can disable the second confirmation when I save a > message from one folder to another? For example, I move my completed > tasks from my main inbox to a folder called "projects", so I type "s" > from index to save the message, then ^T to get a list of the folders, I > select "projects" and hit return, then it brings up a line that I have to > hit return again on to actually have it save the message. Is there any > way to have it just save the message in the folder and not have to hit > return again?(like it was in 3.05) > > Michael Johnson Unix Systems Support > johnsom@oes.orst.edu Oregon Extension Services > Corvallis Oregon (503) 737-0699 Work > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Nov 24 20:31:34 1993 Received: by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA08512; Wed, 24 Nov 93 20:31:34 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA08298; Wed, 24 Nov 93 20:10:17 -0800 Received: by ListDist v0.2 for /usr/local/lib/pine-announce.cf Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA08292; Wed, 24 Nov 93 20:10:15 -0800 Received: from shiva1.cac.washington.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA02534; Wed, 24 Nov 93 20:10:09 -0800 Received: by shiva1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA19963; Wed, 24 Nov 93 20:10:08 -0800 Reply-To: Michael Seibel Message-Id: Date: Wed, 24 Nov 1993 20:10:07 -0800 (PST) From: Michael Seibel To: Pine Announcement Distribution Subject: Pine and PC-Pine 3.88 now available X-Owner: pine-announce-request@cac.washington.edu X-To: Pine Announcement Distribution For the most part, Pine 3.88 is a maintenance release that fixes a number of bugs ranging from the merely annoying to the truly nasty. An overview of the fix list is included below, and an itemized list can be found in the distribution's release notes. If this is the first version run since 3.0x, it's probably a good idea to read the release notes to see what's changed since 3.07 as well. The distribution is available via ftp from ftp.cac.washington.edu in the file "mail/pine.tar.Z". PC-Pine can also be retrieved via the "Setup" command's "Update" option. As always, many thanks to all who have taken the time to provide valuable feedback and bug reports. Thanks for the help! The Pine Team SUMMARY OF 3.88 CHANGES: - Fixed: A nasty bug causing Pine to go into an infinite loop if it received a "Hang Up" signal while in the composer. - Fixed: At least some (maybe even all!) causes of crashes associated with the message "Bad msgno in mail_fetchstructure". - Fixed: Several other bugs leading to Pine crashes. - Fixed: About 65 other less severe bugs. - Changed: several MIME encoding rules. Inline text should be encoded less often, and hardly ever in Base64. (More than 30% of the characters would need to be 8-bit in order to trigger Base64 encoding.) Also, all IMAGE types, including TIFF, are now passed to the external viewer, if one is defined. - Changed: default folder name for Goto. Now you are never more than two keystrokes away from your INBOX. - Changed: Method for moving to next news group. Used to be "D" or "N" on the last message would prompt for the next newsgroup. Now TAB does this "magic" function, and it also works in INBOX if you have multiple Incoming Message Folders defined. - Changed: the interval for checking new mail has been increased from 0.5 min to 2.5 min in order to reduce Pine's resource use. The checkpointing algorithm is also smarter about when to checkpoint. - Changed "(y/n)" prompt string to "(y/n/^C)" to make visible the fact that the operation can be cancelled via Control-C. - Added: new prompt in Keyboard Lock to allow confirmation or escape after entering a password. - Added: ability to enter control characters as ESCAPE ESCAPE as a workaround for terminal servers and communication programs that gobble up certain control characters. - There are also a few fixes to Pico and IMAPd in this release. Note to Sequent PTX 1.X users: if you are experiencing performance problems, make sure you get the new patch from Sequent to make "fsync" work like all other Unix "fsync"s instead of just doing a "sync" instead! From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Nov 24 23:48:40 1993 Received: by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA09839; Wed, 24 Nov 93 23:48:40 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA09761; Wed, 24 Nov 93 23:36:14 -0800 Received: by ListDist v0.2 for /usr/local/lib/pine-announce.cf Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA09755; Wed, 24 Nov 93 23:36:13 -0800 Received: from shiva1.cac.washington.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA03811; Wed, 24 Nov 93 23:36:07 -0800 Received: by shiva1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA21481; Wed, 24 Nov 93 23:36:06 -0800 Reply-To: Terry Gray Message-Id: Date: Wed, 24 Nov 1993 23:36:04 -0800 (PST) From: Terry Gray To: Pine Announcement Distribution Subject: Addendum to Pine 3.88 announcement X-Owner: pine-announce-request@cac.washington.edu X-To: Pine Announcement Distribution Several folks have asked for pre-compiled versions of IMAPd in addition to Pine and Pico. This has been done, but as a consequence the /mail directory got awfully long, so we've moved all of the Unix binaries to /mail/UNIX-BINARIES/ and the PC-Pine .zip files are now in /mail/PC-PINE/ The complete source distribution is still in /mail/pine.tar.Z -teg From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Nov 25 00:16:06 1993 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA10080; Thu, 25 Nov 93 00:16:06 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA03988; Thu, 25 Nov 93 00:01:23 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from dir.bris.ac.uk by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA03980; Thu, 25 Nov 93 00:01:20 -0800 Received: from adm1.bristol.ac.uk by dir.bris.ac.uk with SMTP (PP) id <21623-0@dir.bris.ac.uk>; Thu, 25 Nov 1993 08:01:15 +0000 Date: Thu, 25 Nov 1993 08:01:42 +0000 (GMT) From: Dave King Reply-To: Dave King Subject: Re: wish list ? To: Muriel McKay Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Muriel, here's a KornShell specific solution. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ typeset -x SPELL='spell -b' This sets the environment variable and exports it to "child" shells. If you use the KornShell exclusively on your system and you want to ensure that the British spelling option is always used you can put: typeset -x SPELL='spell -b' In /etc/profile. Dave ------------------------------------------------------------------- Dave King, Admin. Computing Services Manager, University of Bristol Dave.King@uk.ac.Bristol (JANET) Dave.King@Bristol.ac.uk (INTERNET) On Wed, 24 Nov 1993, Muriel McKay wrote: > > I'd like a simple way to invoke spell -b to use the British spelling . > I'm not very technical and we are still on pine 3.07 so perhaps something > has been done already or is on the cards . Is there a simple way to do > this already ? I figure the spell.c file in pico is where the change needs > to be made . > > > =============================================================================== > Muriel McKay, > Analyst, Desktop Computing Support. > CIS. ABB132 ext. 23630 > > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Nov 25 06:32:40 1993 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA14019; Thu, 25 Nov 93 06:32:40 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA06318; Thu, 25 Nov 93 06:20:30 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from nexus.yorku.ca by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA06312; Thu, 25 Nov 93 06:20:28 -0800 Received: from vortex.yorku.ca ([130.63.232.15]) by nexus.yorku.ca with SMTP id <9217>; Thu, 25 Nov 1993 09:20:20 -0500 Received: by vortex.yorku.ca (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA13143; Thu, 25 Nov 93 09:20:03 EST Date: Thu, 25 Nov 1993 09:17:29 -0500 From: Ian Lumb Subject: Re: Pine and PC-Pine 3.88 now available To: PINE INFO In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Greetings:- I just tried to pick up some AIX 3.2 and Sun binaries from pine.cac.washington.edu:/pine/unix-binaries and pine.cac.washington.edu:/pine/UNIX-BINARIES but was unable to as permission was denied. I was wondering if you folks could fix up the permissions on the files in this directory. Thanks, Ian. -- Ian Lumb Internet: Earth & Atmospheric Science, York University North York, Ontario M3J 1P3, CANADA Voice: (416) 736-5245; Fax: (416) 736-5817 From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Nov 25 08:03:29 1993 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA14700; Thu, 25 Nov 93 08:03:29 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA06739; Thu, 25 Nov 93 07:51:51 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from shiva1.cac.washington.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA06733; Thu, 25 Nov 93 07:51:50 -0800 Received: by shiva1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA24588; Thu, 25 Nov 93 07:51:47 -0800 Date: Thu, 25 Nov 1993 07:51:45 -0800 (PST) From: Terry Gray Subject: Re: Pine and PC-Pine 3.88 now available To: Ian Lumb Cc: PINE INFO In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Ian, As far as I can tell, the protections are OK, and here is a line from the transfer log indicating that a successful transfer has occurred: Thu Nov 25 01:02:21 50 gatekeeper.dec.com 3858030 /mail/UNIX-BINARIES/pine-bin.aix32 Note that the lower-case version of the directory is abbreviated: unix-bin (It is a symbolic link to UNIX-BINARIES, just as /pine is a symbolic link to /mail) Please try it again and let us know what happens... -teg On Thu, 25 Nov 1993, Ian Lumb wrote: > Greetings:- > > I just tried to pick up some AIX 3.2 and Sun binaries from > > pine.cac.washington.edu:/pine/unix-binaries > > and > > pine.cac.washington.edu:/pine/UNIX-BINARIES > > but was unable to as permission was denied. I was wondering if you folks > could fix up the permissions on the files in this directory. > > Thanks, > > Ian. > > > > > -- > Ian Lumb Internet: > Earth & Atmospheric Science, York University > North York, Ontario M3J 1P3, CANADA > Voice: (416) 736-5245; Fax: (416) 736-5817 > > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Nov 25 09:41:45 1993 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA15435; Thu, 25 Nov 93 09:41:45 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA07313; Thu, 25 Nov 93 09:29:53 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from nexus.yorku.ca by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA07307; Thu, 25 Nov 93 09:29:49 -0800 Received: from vortex.yorku.ca ([130.63.232.15]) by nexus.yorku.ca with SMTP id <9217>; Thu, 25 Nov 1993 12:29:41 -0500 Received: by vortex.yorku.ca (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA13395; Thu, 25 Nov 93 12:29:19 EST Date: Thu, 25 Nov 1993 12:28:00 -0500 From: Ian Lumb Subject: Re: Pine and PC-Pine 3.88 now available To: Terry Gray Cc: PINE INFO In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Major apologies: There seems to have been some problems associated with the host that I was using for ftp! I have successfully ftp'd several binaries now. Sorry for the red herring ! Ian. On Thu, 25 Nov 1993, Terry Gray wrote: > Date: Thu, 25 Nov 1993 07:51:45 -0800 (PST) > From: Terry Gray > To: Ian Lumb > Cc: PINE INFO > Subject: Re: Pine and PC-Pine 3.88 now available > > Ian, > As far as I can tell, the protections are OK, and here is a line from > the transfer log indicating that a successful transfer has occurred: > > Thu Nov 25 01:02:21 50 gatekeeper.dec.com 3858030 > /mail/UNIX-BINARIES/pine-bin.aix32 > > Note that the lower-case version of the directory is abbreviated: unix-bin > (It is a symbolic link to UNIX-BINARIES, just as /pine is a symbolic link > to /mail) > > Please try it again and let us know what happens... > > -teg > > On Thu, 25 Nov 1993, Ian Lumb wrote: > > > Greetings:- > > > > I just tried to pick up some AIX 3.2 and Sun binaries from > > > > pine.cac.washington.edu:/pine/unix-binaries > > > > and > > > > pine.cac.washington.edu:/pine/UNIX-BINARIES > > > > but was unable to as permission was denied. I was wondering if you folks > > could fix up the permissions on the files in this directory. > > > > Thanks, > > > > Ian. > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Ian Lumb Internet: > > Earth & Atmospheric Science, York University > > North York, Ontario M3J 1P3, CANADA > > Voice: (416) 736-5245; Fax: (416) 736-5817 > > > > > > > -- Ian Lumb Internet: Earth & Atmospheric Science, York University North York, Ontario M3J 1P3, CANADA Voice: (416) 736-5245; Fax: (416) 736-5817 From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Nov 26 04:16:34 1993 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA23284; Fri, 26 Nov 93 04:16:34 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA12308; Fri, 26 Nov 93 03:58:53 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from pp.dundee.ac.uk by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA12302; Fri, 26 Nov 93 03:58:51 -0800 Received: from dux.dundee.ac.uk by pp.dundee.ac.uk with SMTP (PP) id <10036-0@pp.dundee.ac.uk>; Fri, 26 Nov 1993 11:36:47 +0000 Received: by dux.dundee.ac.uk (5.0/SMI-SVR4-S2000) id AA12505; Fri, 26 Nov 93 11:58:09 GMT Date: Fri, 26 Nov 1993 11:50:05 +0000 (GMT) From: "K.M. Lovell Information Technology Services ext 4" Subject: Can you print multiple messages in one command To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Length: 658 Please can anyone tell me how to print multiple messages easily e.g to print messages 21 to 35 is there "something" that can do 21-35Y or 21-35L depending on which version of pine is being run, or "something" like 15Y or 15L which will print 15 consecutive messages starting at the current message- in this case 21 ? If there is such a feature can it be used with the save command ? -------------------------------------------------------------- From: K.M.Lovell , Information Technology Services, University of Dundee, Park Place , Dundee DD1 4HN , UK Email: kmlovell@dux.dundee.ac.uk Tel : +44 382 34 4136 Fax : +44 382 28649 From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Nov 26 07:00:56 1993 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA24316; Fri, 26 Nov 93 07:00:56 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA28247; Fri, 26 Nov 93 06:41:38 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from bootes.cus.cam.ac.uk by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA28241; Fri, 26 Nov 93 06:41:13 -0800 Received: by bootes.cus.cam.ac.uk (Smail-3.1.28.1 #107) id m0p34M9-00003QC; Fri, 26 Nov 93 14:41 GMT Date: Fri, 26 Nov 1993 14:41:09 +0000 (GMT) From: Philip Hazel Subject: The Y key To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII This little niggle has now caught me three or four times, so I thought it worth reporting. I had no immediate reservations when you changed the "print" keystroke to "Y", but I have now discovered why it might have been a bad idea. I am an "old growth" user, and my fingers get into habits. For example, when I want to expunge the deleted messages from a folder, I type XY without thinking and without pausing. On several occasions recently I have either mistyped, or keystrokes have got lost, or something, with the effect that a Y keystroke ends up reaching Pine unexpectedly. On at least two occasions I haven't noticed what it was prompting for**, or else this keyboard has played its trick of repeating characters, so that I have actually produced unwanted pieces of paper. I'm sure there is nothing you can do about this, but if ever I write a program that relies on Y/N prompting, I shall make sure there is no command called Y :-) This is a small point, however! We appreciate the good work you are doing on Pine. Regards, Philip ** I do find a lot of the prompts non-useful, and habit makes me reply Y to pretty well anything without thinking. Bad habit, I know, but I suspect a lot of frequent users act the same. It would be nice to be able to turn them off selectively. Then I might pay attention when one did appear... -- Philip Hazel University Computing Service, ph10@cus.cam.ac.uk New Museums Site, Cambridge CB2 3QG, P.Hazel@ucs.cam.ac.uk England. Phone: +44 223 334714 From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Nov 26 08:20:29 1993 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA24733; Fri, 26 Nov 93 08:20:29 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA13520; Fri, 26 Nov 93 08:07:33 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from shiva1.cac.washington.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA13514; Fri, 26 Nov 93 08:07:28 -0800 Received: by shiva1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA04547; Fri, 26 Nov 93 08:07:19 -0800 Date: Fri, 26 Nov 1993 08:07:18 -0800 (PST) From: Terry Gray Subject: Re: The Y key To: Philip Hazel Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Philip, For what it's worth: -In retrospect, I agree that "Y" was a bad choice --one for which I must take most of the blame. -You're right, it is probably impossible to change it now, unless there is a huge groundswell of support for the idea. -teg On Fri, 26 Nov 1993, Philip Hazel wrote: > This little niggle has now caught me three or four times, so I thought it > worth reporting. > > I had no immediate reservations when you changed the "print" keystroke to > "Y", but I have now discovered why it might have been a bad idea. I am an > "old growth" user, and my fingers get into habits. For example, when I want > to expunge the deleted messages from a folder, I type XY without thinking > and without pausing. > > On several occasions recently I have either mistyped, or keystrokes have > got lost, or something, with the effect that a Y keystroke ends up > reaching Pine unexpectedly. On at least two occasions I haven't noticed > what it was prompting for**, or else this keyboard has played its trick of > repeating characters, so that I have actually produced unwanted pieces of > paper. > > I'm sure there is nothing you can do about this, but if ever I write a > program that relies on Y/N prompting, I shall make sure there is no command > called Y :-) > > This is a small point, however! We appreciate the good work you are doing > on Pine. > > Regards, > Philip > > > ** I do find a lot of the prompts non-useful, and habit makes me reply Y to > pretty well anything without thinking. Bad habit, I know, but I suspect a > lot of frequent users act the same. It would be nice to be able to turn > them off selectively. Then I might pay attention when one did appear... > > -- > Philip Hazel University Computing Service, > ph10@cus.cam.ac.uk New Museums Site, Cambridge CB2 3QG, > P.Hazel@ucs.cam.ac.uk England. Phone: +44 223 334714 > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Nov 26 08:24:20 1993 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA24801; Fri, 26 Nov 93 08:24:20 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA13540; Fri, 26 Nov 93 08:10:52 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from shiva1.cac.washington.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA13534; Fri, 26 Nov 93 08:10:50 -0800 Received: by shiva1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA04569; Fri, 26 Nov 93 08:10:36 -0800 Date: Fri, 26 Nov 1993 08:10:34 -0800 (PST) From: Terry Gray Subject: Re: Can you print multiple messages in one command To: "K.M. Lovell Information Technology Services ext 4" Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII K.M., This is a feature we call "aggregate operations", and it will be coming to Pine in '94 in the form of the "Apply" command. (It will apply print, save, and most anything else we can think of, to a selection or range of messages.) -teg On Fri, 26 Nov 1993, K.M. Lovell Information Technology Services ext 4 wrote: > > Please can anyone tell me how to print multiple messages easily > e.g to print messages 21 to 35 is there "something" that can do > 21-35Y or 21-35L depending on which version of pine is being run, > or "something" like 15Y or 15L which will print 15 consecutive > messages starting at the current message- in this case 21 ? > > If there is such a feature can it be used with the save command ? > > -------------------------------------------------------------- > From: K.M.Lovell , Information Technology Services, University of Dundee, > Park Place , Dundee DD1 4HN , UK > Email: kmlovell@dux.dundee.ac.uk > Tel : +44 382 34 4136 Fax : +44 382 28649 > > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Nov 26 09:30:22 1993 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA25404; Fri, 26 Nov 93 09:30:22 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA28613; Fri, 26 Nov 93 08:50:08 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from relay1.UU.NET by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA28607; Fri, 26 Nov 93 08:50:06 -0800 Received: from spool.uu.net (via LOCALHOST) by relay1.UU.NET with SMTP (5.61/UUNET-internet-primary) id AA29684; Fri, 26 Nov 93 11:50:04 -0500 Received: from racerx.UUCP by uucp4.uu.net with UUCP/RMAIL (queueing-rmail) id 114827.19440; Fri, 26 Nov 1993 11:48:27 EST Received: from bert.noname (ernie) by racerx (4.1/SMI-4.0) id AA04206; Fri, 26 Nov 93 10:47:09 CST Date: Fri, 26 Nov 93 10:47:09 CST From: ken@bridge.COM (Ken Hardy) Message-Id: <9311261647.AA04206@racerx> To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Is PC-PINE updated, too? Is PC-PINE upated since 3.85? Should I grap it, too, when I get the sources for 3.88? From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Nov 26 09:36:20 1993 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA25475; Fri, 26 Nov 93 09:36:20 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA13971; Fri, 26 Nov 93 09:12:46 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rye.city.ac.uk by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA13965; Fri, 26 Nov 93 09:12:44 -0800 Received: from carlisle.city.ac.uk by Rye.city.ac.uk with SMTP (PP) id <27273-0@Rye.city.ac.uk>; Fri, 26 Nov 1993 17:11:11 +0000 Date: Fri, 26 Nov 1993 17:09:12 +0000 (GMT) From: "D.K.Brownlee" Subject: The Y key being a bad idea for print To: Pine-Info Maillist In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Can I start a groundswell for it to be changed? :) David D.K.Brownlee@city.ac.uk. Network Analyst. Postmaster. Hostmaster. <_.-^-._> Telephone: (+44) 71 477 8000 Ext:3757. <_.-^-._> Snailmail:E308, City University, Northampton Sq, Islington, London ECIV 0HB. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Nov 26 09:50:05 1993 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA25555; Fri, 26 Nov 93 09:50:05 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA14118; Fri, 26 Nov 93 09:40:10 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from shiva1.cac.washington.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA14112; Fri, 26 Nov 93 09:40:09 -0800 Received: by shiva1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA05223; Fri, 26 Nov 93 09:40:04 -0800 Date: Fri, 26 Nov 1993 09:40:02 -0800 (PST) From: Terry Gray Subject: Re: Is PC-PINE updated, too? To: Ken Hardy Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu In-Reply-To: <9311261647.AA04206@racerx> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Ken, Yes to both... -teg On Fri, 26 Nov 1993, Ken Hardy wrote: > Is PC-PINE upated since 3.85? Should I grap it, too, when I get the > sources for 3.88? > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Nov 26 10:02:13 1993 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA25664; Fri, 26 Nov 93 10:02:13 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA14191; Fri, 26 Nov 93 09:53:55 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from sussdirt.rdg.ac.uk by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA14185; Fri, 26 Nov 93 09:53:50 -0800 Received: from reading.ac.uk by susssys1.reading.ac.uk with SMTP (PP) id <00930-0@susssys1.reading.ac.uk>; Fri, 26 Nov 1993 17:53:13 +0000 Date: Fri, 26 Nov 1993 17:45:35 +0000 (GMT) From: Mike Roch Subject: Re: The Y key To: Terry Gray Cc: Philip Hazel , pine-info@cac.washington.edu In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Length: 955 I'd vote for something else. Our users are still on 3.07 but my staff have commented on the non-intuitive nature of Y (L->laser,lineprinter, etc) and question the need for a change. Pine has been a roaring succcess here because of its low-hassle characteristics - changing the method of performing a key operation is not going to win us any credit. This change is one of the reasons that we're stalling on releasing 3.8x until we can redo docs, course notes, etc. Perhaps ^something; you have ctrl sequences in pico but not in most of the dialogue screens so you'd be more or less free to choose what you want. Why use L for folder list and not ^F; people have to use ^P/^N to switch folder collections. Mike ============================================================================== Mike Roch, Computer Services Centre, Tel: 0734 318430 The University, Whiteknights, Reading, RG6 2AF Fax: 0734 753094 From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Nov 26 10:37:22 1993 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA25922; Fri, 26 Nov 93 10:37:22 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA14333; Fri, 26 Nov 93 10:27:00 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from shiva1.cac.washington.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA14327; Fri, 26 Nov 93 10:26:58 -0800 Received: by shiva1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA05507; Fri, 26 Nov 93 10:26:45 -0800 Date: Fri, 26 Nov 1993 10:26:43 -0800 (PST) From: Terry Gray Subject: Re: The Y key To: Mike Roch Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Fri, 26 Nov 1993, Mike Roch wrote: > Pine has been a roaring succcess here > because of its low-hassle characteristics - changing the method of > performing a key operation is not going to win us any credit. Mike, This is exactly why changing it *again* would be so problematic! > Perhaps ^something; you have ctrl sequences in pico but not in most of the > dialogue screens so you'd be more or less free to choose what you want. We've tried *very* hard to limit use of control characters to pico, or other places where you are at a prompt requiring text input. Some of the control keys for navigation may also be used as an *alternative* outside pico, e.g. ^P/^N, ^Y/^V...) > Why use L for folder list and not ^F; people have to use ^P/^N to switch > folder collections. Again, we'd like to avoid *forcing* the use of control keys outside of text-input situations. (We already get enough flack from those who prefer modal editors, e.g. vi, and consider it a mistake to use *any* control characters.) The theory behind ^P/^N is that they are supposed to be, in all cases, synonyms for up-arrow and down-arrow. However, I recently noticed that the arrow keys on my X terminal don't work to select prev/next collection. That's a bug. I believe the decsion to change L to list folders was correct; it is a very important screen and one that we needed to make more pervasively and easily accessible throughout Pine. But Print is also important, hence the dilemma. We will keep considering options; additional feedback on whether to even consider making yet another key change would be appreciated. -teg From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Nov 26 10:49:47 1993 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA26067; Fri, 26 Nov 93 10:49:47 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA14439; Fri, 26 Nov 93 10:41:54 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from nexus.yorku.ca by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA14433; Fri, 26 Nov 93 10:41:51 -0800 Received: from vortex.yorku.ca ([130.63.232.15]) by nexus.yorku.ca with SMTP id <9220>; Fri, 26 Nov 1993 13:41:40 -0500 Received: by vortex.yorku.ca (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA15751; Fri, 26 Nov 93 13:41:28 EST Date: Fri, 26 Nov 1993 13:41:24 -0500 From: Ian Lumb Subject: bug in 3.88?? To: PINE INFO Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Greetings:- I just expunged a single message, and again have received the following error message: Bug in Pine detected: "Bad msgno in mail_fetchstructure". Exiting pine. Floating exception (core dumped) Typing `what core', yields core: termcap.c 1.11 88/02/08 SMI tgoto.c 1.5 88/02/08 SMI tputs.c 1.5 88/02/08 SMI BTW, I was using Pine 3.88 that I installed on a Sun SPARC 1+ running under SunOS 4.1. Ian. -- Ian Lumb Internet: Earth & Atmospheric Science, York University North York, Ontario M3J 1P3, CANADA Voice: (416) 736-5245; Fax: (416) 736-5817 From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Nov 26 11:05:47 1993 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA26193; Fri, 26 Nov 93 11:05:47 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA14525; Fri, 26 Nov 93 10:59:16 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from ees1a0.engr.ccny.cuny.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA14519; Fri, 26 Nov 93 10:59:14 -0800 Received: by ees1a0.engr.ccny.cuny.edu (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA26751; Fri, 26 Nov 93 13:59:11 EST Date: Fri, 26 Nov 1993 13:56:41 -0500 (EST) From: Dan Schlitt Subject: Re: The Y key Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I agree with those folks who are saying that the choice is a bad one. It would be a good idea to change it to something better. And I favor changing it back to L for print. /dan Dan Schlitt School of Engineering Computer Systems dan@ee-mail.engr.ccny.cuny.edu City College of New York (212)650-6760 New York, NY 10031 From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Nov 26 11:42:56 1993 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA26481; Fri, 26 Nov 93 11:42:56 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA29209; Fri, 26 Nov 93 11:32:35 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from hermes.acs.ryerson.ca by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA29203; Fri, 26 Nov 93 11:32:31 -0800 Received: by hermes.acs.ryerson.ca (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA18024; Fri, 26 Nov 1993 14:31:54 -0500 Date: Fri, 26 Nov 1993 14:31:54 -0500 (EST) From: Paul Ribeiro Subject: Re: The Y key To: Terry Gray Cc: Mike Roch , pine-info@cac.washington.edu In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Fri, 26 Nov 1993, Terry Gray wrote: > We will keep considering options; additional feedback on whether to even > consider making yet another key change would be appreciated. I understand the dilema you face, however, I think that if a change is going to be made to the print key it should be done as quickly as possible before to many people get used to the new assignment. Here we are not going production 3.88 until January to give people a chance to test the new software and become accustomed to the keys. There has been a lot of praise (well deserved) and only one complaint..you guessed it, people accidentally printing files because the status messages now have a delay so that most people "type ahead" :-) /P From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Nov 26 11:45:57 1993 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA26527; Fri, 26 Nov 93 11:45:57 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA29233; Fri, 26 Nov 93 11:36:39 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from herald.usask.ca by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA29227; Fri, 26 Nov 93 11:36:36 -0800 Received: by herald.usask.ca (5.65/DEC-Ultrix/4.3) id AA16161; Fri, 26 Nov 1993 13:35:24 -0600 for pine-info@cac.washington.edu Date: Fri, 26 Nov 1993 13:35:23 -0600 (CST) From: "Darryl Friesen (4758)" Subject: Re: The Y key To: Dan Schlitt Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Fri, 26 Nov 1993, Dan Schlitt wrote: > I agree with those folks who are saying that the choice is a bad one. It > would be a good idea to change it to something better. And I favor > changing it back to L for print. ^ ^^^^^ But L for Print is just as unintuitive as Y for Print. I think the user will get used to either (just as I have become used to Y). I think the BEST choice (the most intuitive at least) would, of course, be P for Print. However, with N for Next Msg, P for Previous Msg seems a better choice. It's cliche, but "you can't please everyone". I certainly don't envy you Pine developers. [maybe we need a new alphabet with more letters :) or we should all learn a different language, where ther are less abiquities between things like Print, Previous, List, LinePrinter etc :) ] > /dan > > Dan Schlitt School of Engineering Computer Systems > dan@ee-mail.engr.ccny.cuny.edu City College of New York > (212)650-6760 New York, NY 10031 - Darryl ------------------------------------------------------------ Darryl Friesen | Client Services Darryl.Friesen@usask.ca | Dept of Computing Services friesend@sask.usask.ca | University of Saskatchewan ------------------------------------------------------------ "Meddle not in the affairs of dragons, for you are crunchy and good with ketchup." (seen in rec.arts.books.tolkien) From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Nov 26 12:03:48 1993 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA26713; Fri, 26 Nov 93 12:03:48 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA29307; Fri, 26 Nov 93 11:57:19 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from gate.ggr.co.uk by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA29301; Fri, 26 Nov 93 11:57:16 -0800 Received: from mailhub.ggr.co.uk by gate.ggr.co.uk; Fri, 26 Nov 1993 19:55:52 GMT Received: from uk0x04.ggr.co.uk by mailhub.ggr.co.uk; Fri, 26 Nov 1993 19:54:51 GMT Received: from localhost by uk0x04.ggr.co.uk (8.6.4/imd110593) id TAA10678; Fri, 26 Nov 1993 19:55:07 GMT Date: Fri, 26 Nov 1993 19:54:29 +0000 (GMT) From: Ian Dunkin Reply-To: Ian Dunkin Subject: Re: The Y key To: "Darryl Friesen (4758)" Cc: Dan Schlitt , pine-info@cac.washington.edu In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII I too encounter the `accidental' XY problem, typing ahead in an attempt to expunge and confirm the expunging, when not in Index mode. But this isn't a problem with Y being print; just that, for some reason, X doesn't work in Index mode; for example, when having just read and deleted a message. (Could it not?) I. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Nov 26 15:38:24 1993 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA28328; Fri, 26 Nov 93 15:38:24 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA16013; Fri, 26 Nov 93 15:28:25 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from mercury.unt.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA16007; Fri, 26 Nov 93 15:28:23 -0800 Received: from sol.acs.unt.edu by mercury.unt.edu with SMTP id AA21069 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Fri, 26 Nov 1993 17:28:09 -0600 Received: from localhost (amos@localhost) by sol.acs.unt.edu (8.6.4/8.6.4) id RAA05408; Fri, 26 Nov 1993 17:28:09 -0600 Date: Fri, 26 Nov 1993 17:28:08 -0600 (CST) From: "Amos A. Gouaux" Reply-To: "Amos A. Gouaux" Subject: Re: The Y key To: "Darryl Friesen (4758)" Cc: Dan Schlitt , pine-info@cac.washington.edu In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII On Fri, 26 Nov 1993, Darryl Friesen (4758) wrote: > On Fri, 26 Nov 1993, Dan Schlitt wrote: > > > I agree with those folks who are saying that the choice is a bad one. It > > would be a good idea to change it to something better. And I favor > > changing it back to L for print. > ^ ^^^^^ > > But L for Print is just as unintuitive as Y for Print. I think the user > will get used to either (just as I have become used to Y). > > I think the BEST choice (the most intuitive at least) would, of course, > be P for Print. However, with N for Next Msg, P for Previous Msg seems > a better choice. > > It's cliche, but "you can't please everyone". I certainly don't envy > you Pine developers. [maybe we need a new alphabet with more letters :) > or we should all learn a different language, where ther are less > abiquities between things like Print, Previous, List, LinePrinter etc :) ] > I'm afraid that I'm going to have to agree with this one. Yes, "Y" is not very intuitive for print. However, I have found that being able to navigate through my folders to be much more important. I like very much the inclusion of the "L" command. I'm also not very worried about our users being confused by it, particularly considering that the handy menu is right at the bottom of their screen. As long as the menu is there, I don't see it likely to be an issue, at least not here. Amos A. Gouaux Academic Computing Services amos@unt.edu UNIX and CUTCP University of North Texas 817/565-4898 Systems Support PO Box 13495, Denton, TX 76203 FAX at -4060 From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Nov 27 03:28:29 1993 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA03247; Sat, 27 Nov 93 03:28:29 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA19390; Sat, 27 Nov 93 03:16:28 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from oxmail.ox.ac.uk by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA19384; Sat, 27 Nov 93 03:16:26 -0800 Received: from imagen.materials.ox.ac.uk by oxmail.ox.ac.uk with SMTP (PP) id <08430-0@oxmail.ox.ac.uk>; Sat, 27 Nov 1993 11:15:34 +0000 Received: by imagen.materials.ox.ac.uk (931110.SGI/931108.SGI.AUTO.ANONFTP) for @oxmail.ox.ac.uk:pine-info@cac.washington.edu id AA27324; Sat, 27 Nov 93 11:15:31 GMT From: long%imagen.materials@ox.ac.uk (Neil J Long) Date: Sat, 27 Nov 1993 11:10:06 +0000 (GMT) Subject: SGI Irix 5.1.x & 3.88 To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hi Has anyone had any success with 3.88 on an SGI running Irix 5.X The _tzname in os_sgi.c (or was it os_dep) seems to need changing to tzname and rather than to get it to compile. However although pico builds pine coredumps as soon as it is started up leaving the terminal without a carriage return (just echoes ^M). Anyone know what I could do to either fix pine or reset the terminal as I have to login from another line in order to kill the old one at present. It builds ok under 4.05 and on a HP running 9.01 and I have not found any bugs yet. Thanks Neil From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Nov 27 06:47:15 1993 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA04689; Sat, 27 Nov 93 06:47:15 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA20392; Sat, 27 Nov 93 06:30:54 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from sussdirt.rdg.ac.uk by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA20386; Sat, 27 Nov 93 06:30:52 -0800 Received: from reading.ac.uk by susssys1.reading.ac.uk with SMTP (PP) id <10274-0@susssys1.reading.ac.uk>; Sat, 27 Nov 1993 14:29:59 +0000 Date: Sat, 27 Nov 1993 14:29:59 +0000 (GMT) From: Mike Roch Subject: Re: The Y key To: "Amos A. Gouaux" Cc: "Darryl Friesen (4758)" , Dan Schlitt , pine-info@cac.washington.edu In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Length: 909 On Fri, 26 Nov 1993, Amos A. Gouaux wrote: > navigate through my folders to be much more important. I like very much Changing the command key won't prevent this. > the inclusion of the "L" command. I'm also not very worried about our > users being confused by it, particularly considering that the handy menu > is right at the bottom of their screen. As long as the menu is there, I Funny, neither prynt nor save are right there on my screen. Luckily I'm not a novice [you know, the guys Pine was designed for] so I guess I could track them down in order to discover why the L command I've used for 18 months now "makes my mail messages disappear" etc. Mike ============================================================================== Mike Roch, Computer Services Centre, Tel: 0734 318430 The University, Whiteknights, Reading, RG6 2AF Fax: 0734 753094 From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Nov 27 08:02:32 1993 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA04982; Sat, 27 Nov 93 08:02:32 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA20653; Sat, 27 Nov 93 07:50:41 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from sussdirt.rdg.ac.uk by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA20647; Sat, 27 Nov 93 07:50:39 -0800 Received: from reading.ac.uk by susssys1.reading.ac.uk with SMTP (PP) id <10986-0@susssys1.reading.ac.uk>; Sat, 27 Nov 1993 15:50:04 +0000 Date: Sat, 27 Nov 1993 15:50:04 +0000 (GMT) From: Mike Roch Subject: Re: The Y key To: "Darryl Friesen (4758)" Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Length: 991 On Fri, 26 Nov 1993, Darryl Friesen (4758) wrote: > But L for Print is just as unintuitive as Y for Print. I think the user > will get used to either (just as I have become used to Y). > Not quite, as you point out further on :- > or we should all learn a different language, where ther are less > abiquities between things like Print, Previous, List, LinePrinter etc :) ] ^^^^^^^^^^^ <---------- Y free zone ------------> More importantly, people have already absorbed the earlier key. People, especially novices, don't like systems to change under their feet. I was very happy with G for "Goto folders"; putting G onto the Main Menu in place of F would have produced the consistency sought without introducing the Y problems. Mike ============================================================================== Mike Roch, Computer Services Centre, Tel: 0734 318430 The University, Whiteknights, Reading, RG6 2AF Fax: 0734 753094 From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Nov 27 10:17:17 1993 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA05574; Sat, 27 Nov 93 10:17:17 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA03765; Sat, 27 Nov 93 10:02:55 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from tomobiki-cho.cac.washington.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA03759; Sat, 27 Nov 93 10:02:53 -0800 Received: from Ikkoku-Kan.Panda.COM by Tomobiki-Cho.CAC.Washington.EDU (NX5.67d/UW-NDC Revision: 2.27.MRC ) id AA13303; Sat, 27 Nov 93 10:02:47 -0800 Received: from localhost by Ikkoku-Kan.Panda.COM (NX5.67c/UW-NDC/Panda Revision: 2.27.MRC ) id AA22496; Sat, 27 Nov 93 10:02:39 -0800 Date: Sat, 27 Nov 1993 10:01:30 -0800 (PST) From: Mark Crispin Subject: re: SGI Irix 5.1.x & 3.88 To: Neil J Long Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Unfortunately, there seem to be multiple, incompatible versions of SGI. Try replacing the IMAP toolkit (the entire imap/ subtree) in the Pine distribution with the latest experimental version from mail/imap-3.2.tar.Z (on ftp.cac.washington.edu) and see if that builds/work any better. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Nov 28 01:42:00 1993 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA12287; Sun, 28 Nov 93 01:42:00 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA25593; Sun, 28 Nov 93 01:29:06 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from pobox.csc.fi by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA25587; Sun, 28 Nov 93 01:29:04 -0800 Received: from tellus.csc.fi by pobox.csc.fi with SMTP id AA09376 (5.65c8+/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Sun, 28 Nov 1993 11:29:01 +0200 Received: from localhost.csc.fi by tellus.csc.fi (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA21450; Sun, 28 Nov 93 11:29:00 +0200 Message-Id: <9311280929.AA21450@tellus.csc.fi> To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: The Y key Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Sun, 28 Nov 1993 11:29:00 +0200 From: Pekka Kytolaakso > > We will keep considering options; additional feedback on whether to ev= en > > consider making yet another key change would be appreciated. > I understand the dilema you face, however, I think that if a change is > going to be made to the print key it should be done as quickly as possib= le > before to many people get used to the new assignment. Here we are not > going production 3.88 until January to give people a chance to test > the new software and become accustomed to the keys. There has been a > lot of praise (well deserved) and only one complaint..you guessed it, > people accidentally printing files because the status messages now > have a delay so that most people "type ahead" :-) > /P I also think that L is better as 'print-screen' than Y. We also are still running 3.07. I have several people locally trying out 3.8x and have had several complaints about changing print. Pekka Kyt=F6laakso --------------------------------------------------------------- netmgr@tellus.csc.fi Centre for Scientific Computing Pekka.Kytolaakso@csc.fi PL 405 FIN-02101 Espoo FINLAND Phone: +358 0 4571 Telefax: + 358 0 4572302 From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Nov 28 12:09:53 1993 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA17107; Sun, 28 Nov 93 12:09:53 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA28694; Sun, 28 Nov 93 11:55:19 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from omega.qmw.ac.uk by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA28688; Sun, 28 Nov 93 11:55:17 -0800 Received: from osprey.elec.qmw.ac.uk by omega.qmw.ac.uk with SMTP-DNS (PP) id <15033-0@omega.qmw.ac.uk>; Sun, 28 Nov 1993 19:47:59 +0000 Received: by osprey.elec.qmw.ac.uk (Smail3.1-QMWee); id m0p3sD8-00022ZC; Sun, 28 Nov 93 19:55 GMT Date: Sun, 28 Nov 1993 19:52:16 +0000 (GMT) From: Laurie Cuthbert Subject: Re: something for the wish list .. To: David L Miller Cc: A.P.Martin@qmw.ac.uk, pine-info@cac.washington.edu In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII David As we have a need for a c-client based frm, we'll do it. At least, Andy Martin (A.P.Martin@qmw.ac.uk) will do it (I approve of delegation!). It seems fairly straightforward, the only bit I think we need to be careful about is to ensure it does not seize the lock - if someone has pine open in one window and then opens a second we don't want them to lose the lock from the first just becuase of a second login. Regards Laurie On Tue, 23 Nov 1993, David L Miller wrote: > Yes, it would be nice to have c-client based frm, filter, biff, xbiff, ... > > We will work on them as resources permit, but they would be fairly easy > introductions to c-client programming. If anyone is interested, let us know > and we will reserve it for you :) > > On Mon, 22 Nov 1993, Laurie Cuthbert wrote: > > > > > At present the mail spool directory on each cluster server is NFS mounted > > to the rest of the machines in that group. Everyone's login script runs > > the elm "frm" command to list the messages in their inbox on login. > > > > As we move to using an imap-based mail system (with pine and ECS) it > > would be nice to have an imap-based version of the "frm" program - a _small_ > > program that just lists the inbox and exits. > > > > Regards > > > > Laurie Cuthbert > > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Nov 28 12:12:28 1993 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA17164; Sun, 28 Nov 93 12:12:28 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA28729; Sun, 28 Nov 93 12:03:25 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from omega.qmw.ac.uk by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA28723; Sun, 28 Nov 93 12:03:23 -0800 Received: from osprey.elec.qmw.ac.uk by omega.qmw.ac.uk with SMTP-DNS (PP) id <15060-0@omega.qmw.ac.uk>; Sun, 28 Nov 1993 19:56:06 +0000 Received: by osprey.elec.qmw.ac.uk (Smail3.1-QMWee); id m0p3sKz-00022ZC; Sun, 28 Nov 93 20:03 GMT Date: Sun, 28 Nov 1993 19:59:47 +0000 (GMT) From: Laurie Cuthbert Subject: domain name stamping To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII When typing a local name on an outgoing message, pine sensibly addes the domain name But when it received a message stamped with a local name only, it adds the HOST name, not the domain name. e.g.: From: Laurie Cuthbert I can't see any obvious way to change this. Obviously, if all MUAs generated properly qualified names, this would not be a problem, but they don't! Regards Laurie Cuthbert From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Nov 28 12:52:03 1993 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA17395; Sun, 28 Nov 93 12:52:03 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA09015; Sun, 28 Nov 93 12:41:58 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from tomobiki-cho.cac.washington.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA09009; Sun, 28 Nov 93 12:41:55 -0800 Received: from Ikkoku-Kan.Panda.COM by Tomobiki-Cho.CAC.Washington.EDU (NX5.67d/UW-NDC Revision: 2.27.MRC ) id AA13948; Sun, 28 Nov 93 12:41:45 -0800 Received: by Ikkoku-Kan.Panda.COM (NX5.67c/UW-NDC/Panda Revision: 2.27.MRC ) id AA27091; Sun, 28 Nov 93 12:41:40 -0800 Date: Sun, 28 Nov 1993 12:41:39 -0800 (PST) From: Mark Crispin Subject: Re: something for the wish list .. To: Laurie Cuthbert Cc: David L Miller , A.P.Martin@qmw.ac.uk, pine-info@cac.washington.edu In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Sun, 28 Nov 1993, Laurie Cuthbert wrote: > As we have a need for a c-client based frm, we'll do it. At least, Andy > Martin (A.P.Martin@qmw.ac.uk) will do it (I approve of delegation!). Great! > It seems fairly straightforward, the only bit I think we need to be > careful about is to ensure it does not seize the lock - if someone has > pine open in one window and then opens a second we don't want them to > lose the lock from the first just becuase of a second login. The thing to be sure of is that you set the OP_READONLY flag in the mail_open() call in your frm clone program. If you do this, it will never grab the lock away from Pine. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Nov 28 13:56:14 1993 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA17864; Sun, 28 Nov 93 13:56:14 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA29269; Sun, 28 Nov 93 13:46:26 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from shiva1.cac.washington.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA29263; Sun, 28 Nov 93 13:46:25 -0800 Received: by shiva1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA27562; Sun, 28 Nov 93 13:46:21 -0800 Date: Sun, 28 Nov 1993 13:46:19 -0800 (PST) From: Terry Gray Subject: Re: domain name stamping To: Laurie Cuthbert Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Laurie, I'm not 100% sure I understand which scenario you are describing, so the following may be both old news and irrelevant, but just in case: if you set "user-domain=qmw.ac.uk" in your .pinerc, that should control what goes in the From: line, (and in cases of unqualified destinations, the To: line), regardless of what the host thinks its name is. But if Pine sees an "@" in an outgoing address, it will not touch it. -teg On Sun, 28 Nov 1993, Laurie Cuthbert wrote: > > When typing a local name on an outgoing message, pine sensibly > addes the domain name > > But when it received a message stamped with a local name only, it adds > the HOST name, not the domain name. e.g.: > > From: Laurie Cuthbert > > I can't see any obvious way to change this. > > Obviously, if all MUAs generated properly qualified names, this would not > be a problem, but they don't! > > Regards > > Laurie Cuthbert > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Nov 28 20:02:09 1993 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA20604; Sun, 28 Nov 93 20:02:09 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA10437; Sun, 28 Nov 93 19:46:11 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from [128.193.164.25] by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA10431; Sun, 28 Nov 93 19:46:08 -0800 Received: from mundania.CS.ORST.EDU by instruction.CS.ORST.EDU (1.37.109.4/1.35) id AA08934; Sun, 28 Nov 93 19:46:20 -0800 Received: by mundania.CS.ORST.EDU (1.37.109.4/CS-Client) id AA03651; Sun, 28 Nov 93 19:49:05 -0800 Date: Sun, 28 Nov 1993 19:45:44 -0700 (PDT) From: "Jason R. Thorpe" Subject: Re: The Y key To: Terry Gray Cc: Philip Hazel , pine-info@cac.washington.edu In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Fri, 26 Nov 1993, Terry Gray wrote: > Philip, > For what it's worth: > > -In retrospect, I agree that "Y" was a bad choice --one for which I > must take most of the blame. > > -You're right, it is probably impossible to change it now, unless there > is a huge groundswell of support for the idea. I wouldn't mind making such a change...Perhaps SHIFT-something...like > (SHIFT-.) and sorta like redirecting output or something...Just a suggestion... > > -teg > > > On Fri, 26 Nov 1993, Philip Hazel wrote: > > > This little niggle has now caught me three or four times, so I thought it > > worth reporting. > > > > I had no immediate reservations when you changed the "print" keystroke to > > "Y", but I have now discovered why it might have been a bad idea. I am an > > "old growth" user, and my fingers get into habits. For example, when I want > > to expunge the deleted messages from a folder, I type XY without thinking > > and without pausing. > > > > On several occasions recently I have either mistyped, or keystrokes have > > got lost, or something, with the effect that a Y keystroke ends up > > reaching Pine unexpectedly. On at least two occasions I haven't noticed > > what it was prompting for**, or else this keyboard has played its trick of > > repeating characters, so that I have actually produced unwanted pieces of > > paper. > > > > I'm sure there is nothing you can do about this, but if ever I write a > > program that relies on Y/N prompting, I shall make sure there is no command > > called Y :-) > > > > This is a small point, however! We appreciate the good work you are doing > > on Pine. > > > > Regards, > > Philip > > > > > > ** I do find a lot of the prompts non-useful, and habit makes me reply Y to > > pretty well anything without thinking. Bad habit, I know, but I suspect a > > lot of frequent users act the same. It would be nice to be able to turn > > them off selectively. Then I might pay attention when one did appear... > > > > -- > > Philip Hazel University Computing Service, > > ph10@cus.cam.ac.uk New Museums Site, Cambridge CB2 3QG, > > P.Hazel@ucs.cam.ac.uk England. Phone: +44 223 334714 > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Jason R. Thorpe | 'All standard...' | 434 Weatherford Hall OSU Computer Science | thorpej@cs.orst.edu | Corvallis, OR 97331 Support Staff | '...disclaimers apply.' | (503) 737-9533 From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Nov 29 01:01:43 1993 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA23160; Mon, 29 Nov 93 01:01:43 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA03438; Mon, 29 Nov 93 00:49:40 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from omega.qmw.ac.uk by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA03431; Mon, 29 Nov 93 00:49:37 -0800 Received: from osprey.elec.qmw.ac.uk by omega.qmw.ac.uk with SMTP-DNS (PP) id <18857-0@omega.qmw.ac.uk>; Mon, 29 Nov 1993 08:42:10 +0000 Received: from lauriepc by osprey.elec.qmw.ac.uk with SMTP (Smail3.1-QMWee); id m0p44IN-00022VC; Mon, 29 Nov 93 08:49 GMT Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1993 08:49:22 GMT From: Laurie Cuthbert Subject: Re: domain name stamping To: Terry Gray Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Message-Id: Priority: Normal Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Terry Sorry if I haven't explained myself clearly. I appreciate pine will only qualify names without the "@" - and using the "user-domain=" configuration it correctly adds the domain to unqualified destinations and the From: line. However, not everyone in the dept uses pine and some mailers just send mail with the To: and From: lines set to a user name with no "@". When pine reads these it adds @HOSTNAME, not @DOMAINNAME. i.e. within the dept the domain is elec.qmw.ac.uk (it gets massaged by the site PP mailer on the way out) - if someone sends mail to me with /ucb/mail (or even Eudora) the To: line is just set to "laurie" and the From: line to "their_username". When pine reads the mail it changes this to To: laurie@osprey and From: their_username@osprey - it would better if it was to add something to add the domain name. Regards Laurie On Sun, 28 Nov 1993 13:46:19 -0800 (PST) Terry Gray wrote: > > Laurie, > I'm not 100% sure I understand which scenario you are describing, so > the following may be both old news and irrelevant, but just in case: if > you set "user-domain=qmw.ac.uk" in your .pinerc, that should control what > goes in the From: line, (and in cases of unqualified destinations, the To: > line), regardless of what the host thinks its name is. > > But if Pine sees an "@" in an outgoing address, it will not touch it. > > -teg > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Nov 29 07:41:19 1993 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA27439; Mon, 29 Nov 93 07:41:19 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA05854; Mon, 29 Nov 93 07:16:02 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from snow.csi.cam.ac.uk by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA05848; Mon, 29 Nov 93 07:15:56 -0800 Received: from quinag.csi.cam.ac.uk by ppsw2.cam.ac.uk with SMTP-CAM (PP-6.0) as ppsw.cam.ac.uk id <25741-0@ppsw2.cam.ac.uk>; Mon, 29 Nov 1993 15:15:37 +0000 Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1993 15:12:28 GMT From: Barry Landy Reply-To: Barry Landy Subject: PC-PINE 3.88 To: Pine Mission Control Cc: Pine Info List X-Sender: bl10@cus.cam.ac.uk Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII My first attempt to use PC-PINE version 3.88 showed a serious bug, and I have now reverted to 3.87. I am sending this to Pine-bugs as a bug report, and to Pine-info to ask (in a tone of surprise) whether other users have seen this effect, or whether they have not yet tried. I am using the packet-driver version from pcpine_p.zip On entering Pine I try I to see my INBOX, which is OK, and then G to look at another folder (outbox as it happens); PINE puts Opening "" in the information line. Not suprisingly, it does not find that folder, says No Folder, trying to get mailbox lock from process nnnnn, waits a bit (for the lock I suppose) and then says Folder "" opened with N messages (and it is actually the INBOX) In the process of doing this, it also lost all my D flags. I have backed off to 387! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Barry Landy Computer Laboratory:+44 223 334600 Head of Systems and Development Direct line: +44 223 334713 University of Cambridge Computing Service New Museums Site Email:Barry.Landy@ucs.cam.ac.uk Pembroke Street, Cambridge CB2 3QG From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Nov 29 08:44:03 1993 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA28574; Mon, 29 Nov 93 08:44:03 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA13220; Mon, 29 Nov 93 08:24:28 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from ariel.unm.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA13214; Mon, 29 Nov 93 08:24:27 -0800 Received: from quincy.unm.edu by ariel.unm.edu (5.65/0.1) id ; Mon, 29 Nov 1993 09:24:26 -0700 Received: by quincy.unm.edu (5.65/DEC-Ultrix/4.3) id AA06417; Mon, 29 Nov 1993 09:22:42 -0700 Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1993 09:22:15 -0700 (MST) From: David Broudy Subject: Re: The Y key being a bad idea for print To: "D.K.Brownlee" Cc: Pine-Info Maillist In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII add one vote to the groundswell. ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ + David Broudy, Computer Manager, Ofc Medical Investigator + + UNM School of Medicine, Albuquerque, NM 87131-5091 + + 505/277-3234,3053 242-7108 dbroudy@quincy.unm.edu + ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ On Fri, 26 Nov 1993, D.K.Brownlee wrote: > > Can I start a groundswell for it to be changed? :) > > David > > D.K.Brownlee@city.ac.uk. Network Analyst. Postmaster. Hostmaster. > <_.-^-._> Telephone: (+44) 71 477 8000 Ext:3757. <_.-^-._> > Snailmail:E308, City University, Northampton Sq, Islington, London ECIV 0HB. > > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Nov 29 09:58:33 1993 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA01183; Mon, 29 Nov 93 09:58:33 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA08466; Mon, 29 Nov 93 09:38:07 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from mercury.unt.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA08460; Mon, 29 Nov 93 09:38:01 -0800 Received: from sol.acs.unt.edu by mercury.unt.edu with SMTP id AA01405 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4); Mon, 29 Nov 1993 11:37:59 -0600 Received: from localhost (amos@localhost) by sol.acs.unt.edu (8.6.4/8.6.4) id LAA19071; Mon, 29 Nov 1993 11:37:56 -0600 Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1993 11:37:56 -0600 (CST) From: "Amos A. Gouaux" Reply-To: "Amos A. Gouaux" Subject: Re: The Y key To: "Jason R. Thorpe" Cc: Terry Gray , Philip Hazel , pine-info@cac.washington.edu In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII On Sun, 28 Nov 1993, Jason R. Thorpe wrote: > On Fri, 26 Nov 1993, Terry Gray wrote: > > > Philip, > > For what it's worth: > > > > -In retrospect, I agree that "Y" was a bad choice --one for which I > > must take most of the blame. > > > > -You're right, it is probably impossible to change it now, unless there > > is a huge groundswell of support for the idea. > > I wouldn't mind making such a change...Perhaps SHIFT-something...like > > (SHIFT-.) and sorta like redirecting output or something...Just a > suggestion... A thought has come to mind on this matter. Perhaps the pine team provided ListFldrs as a means to get to the folders without having to use a control sequence, such as is necessary with Goto. If so, perhaps the Goto command could be slightly modified. Instead of immediately asking for a folder name, maybe provide a small menu that had "regular" keys, such as "L" to ListFldrs. To actually make a selection, the "S" key (for Specify) would have to be pressed, though it could be the default. So, to get to the INBOX, one could press "G" for Goto, then press RETURN twice instead of once. It would add steps to the Goto process, but it might mean that "L" could be used for Print as before. Pressing "G" for Goto could produce the following menu: GOTO command: ? Help P PrevFldr L ListFldrs E ExitGoto N NextFldr S [Specify] Then pressing "S" or RETURN could yield: GOTO folder in [INBOX] : ^G Help ^C Cancel RETURN Enter TAB Complete Now, would the extra steps really be worth it???? While I like the convenience of having both the "G" and "L" commands as they are currently arranged, I can see that having both is almost redundant. Amos A. Gouaux Academic Computing Services amos@unt.edu UNIX and CUTCP University of North Texas 817/565-4898 Systems Support PO Box 13495, Denton, TX 76203 FAX at -4060 From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Nov 29 10:16:03 1993 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA02209; Mon, 29 Nov 93 10:16:03 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA08255; Mon, 29 Nov 93 09:31:23 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from sussdirt.rdg.ac.uk by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA08249; Mon, 29 Nov 93 09:31:21 -0800 Received: from reading.ac.uk by susssys1.reading.ac.uk with SMTP (PP) id <16161-0@susssys1.reading.ac.uk>; Mon, 29 Nov 1993 17:31:09 +0000 Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1993 17:31:10 +0000 (GMT) From: Mike Roch Reply-To: Mike Roch Subject: Default command in Message Viewer To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-Length: 610 There isn't one at the moment, but [return] -> scroll-up-one-line was very useful in 3.0x. It allowed a message to be scrolled line-by-line so that blocks of text could be copied/pasted between windows. In 3.8x we have to scroll a screenful up or down - less useful. I know you've run out of menu space, having this undocumented wouldn't be _so_ bad would it? Mike ============================================================================== Mike Roch, Computer Services Centre, Tel: 0734 318430 The University, Whiteknights, Reading, RG6 2AF Fax: 0734 753094 From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Nov 29 10:39:44 1993 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA03266; Mon, 29 Nov 93 10:39:44 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA09837; Mon, 29 Nov 93 10:25:19 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from shiva1.cac.washington.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA09831; Mon, 29 Nov 93 10:25:17 -0800 Received: by shiva1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA14474; Mon, 29 Nov 93 10:25:06 -0800 Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1993 10:25:04 -0800 (PST) From: David L Miller Subject: Re: Default command in Message Viewer To: Mike Roch Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Mike, Cursor up/down should scroll the message a line at a time... --DLM |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA On Mon, 29 Nov 1993, Mike Roch wrote: > There isn't one at the moment, but [return] -> scroll-up-one-line > was very useful in 3.0x. It allowed a message to be scrolled line-by-line > so that blocks of text could be copied/pasted between windows. In 3.8x we > have to scroll a screenful up or down - less useful. I know you've run > out of menu space, having this undocumented wouldn't be _so_ bad would it? > > > Mike > > ============================================================================== > Mike Roch, Computer Services Centre, Tel: 0734 318430 > The University, Whiteknights, Reading, RG6 2AF Fax: 0734 753094 > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Nov 29 11:43:47 1993 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA05137; Mon, 29 Nov 93 11:43:47 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA11323; Mon, 29 Nov 93 11:28:20 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from usc.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA11317; Mon, 29 Nov 93 11:28:17 -0800 Received: from Law.USC.EDU by usc.edu (4.1/SMI-3.0DEV3-USC+3.1) id AA21268; Mon, 29 Nov 93 11:28:15 PST Received: from hal.Law.USC.EDU by Law.USC.EDU (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA26936; Mon, 29 Nov 93 11:28:14 PST Received: by hal.Law.USC.EDU (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA07657; Mon, 29 Nov 93 11:28:14 PST Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1993 11:26:24 -0800 (PST) From: Elmar Kurgpold Reply-To: Elmar Kurgpold Subject: PC-PINE.README To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII On ftp.cac.washington.edu, The readme file listed as a link from /mail/PC-PINE/README to /mail/PC-PINE/PC-Pine.README does not seem to exist. I heard about the directory-shuffling, so I thought I'd let you know y'all missed something;-) ------------------------------------- ,-,,-, __ | Elmar Kurgpold | ______/ /_,' | | Network Administrator | \________________/ | University of Southern California | |<) (> | | The Law Center | ( | oo | | ekurgpol@Law.USC.EDU | ) `| |--' | (213)740-2571 FAX: (213)740-5502 | (___^^^^| ------------------------------------- (____' From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Nov 29 13:07:26 1993 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA07913; Mon, 29 Nov 93 13:07:26 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA14765; Mon, 29 Nov 93 12:54:19 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from acad.csv.kutztown.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA14759; Mon, 29 Nov 93 12:54:16 -0800 Received: by acad.csv.kutztown.edu.csv.kutztown.edu (5.61/1.35) id AA20389; Mon, 29 Nov 93 15:54:25 -0500 Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1993 15:47:24 -0500 (EST) From: "Lisa M. Frye" Subject: Sending mail from a non-user To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I have a need to allow one of the users to send e-mail from an organization. If the user's logon is smith and the organization is org, I want to be able to have the from line read From: The Organization . I can have it read from "The Organization" but the from address is the user's logon (). I do not want to create a user for the organization (we do not give "generic" accounts)y. Is there a way to do what I want? Lisa Frye 683-4474 Network Software Specialist LMS Annex Room 105 Kutztown University frye@acad.csv.kutztown.edu Kutztown, PA. 19530 "You can bring a person to the university, but you can't make him think." From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Nov 29 13:38:01 1993 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA09254; Mon, 29 Nov 93 13:38:01 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA14629; Mon, 29 Nov 93 13:24:08 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from shiva1.cac.washington.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA14623; Mon, 29 Nov 93 13:24:05 -0800 Received: by shiva1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA18396; Mon, 29 Nov 93 13:23:56 -0800 Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1993 13:23:52 -0800 (PST) From: David L Miller Subject: Re: Sending mail from a non-user To: "Lisa M. Frye" Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Lisa, In the near future we will be adding support for a changeable Reply-To: header. Will that take care of the problem for you? --DLM |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA On Mon, 29 Nov 1993, Lisa M. Frye wrote: > > I have a need to allow one of the users to send e-mail from an > organization. If the user's logon is smith and the organization is org, I > want to be able to have the from line read > From: The Organization . > I can have it read from "The Organization" but the from address is the > user's logon (). I do not want to create a user > for the organization (we do not give "generic" accounts)y. Is there a way to > do what I want? > > > > Lisa Frye 683-4474 > Network Software Specialist LMS Annex Room 105 > Kutztown University frye@acad.csv.kutztown.edu > Kutztown, PA. 19530 > > "You can bring a person to the university, but you can't make him think." > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Nov 29 14:04:54 1993 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA10000; Mon, 29 Nov 93 14:04:54 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA15118; Mon, 29 Nov 93 13:43:53 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from sussdirt.rdg.ac.uk by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA15110; Mon, 29 Nov 93 13:43:45 -0800 Received: from reading.ac.uk by susssys1.reading.ac.uk with SMTP (PP) id <22394-0@susssys1.reading.ac.uk>; Mon, 29 Nov 1993 21:43:38 +0000 Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1993 21:43:40 +0000 (GMT) From: Mike Roch Reply-To: Mike Roch Subject: Re: The Y key To: "Amos A. Gouaux" Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-Length: 1463 On Mon, 29 Nov 1993, Amos A. Gouaux wrote: > Pressing "G" for Goto could produce the following menu: > > GOTO command: > ? Help P PrevFldr L ListFldrs E ExitGoto > N NextFldr S [Specify] > Then pressing "S" or RETURN could yield: > > GOTO folder in [INBOX] : > ^G Help ^C Cancel > RETURN Enter TAB Complete > > Now, would the extra steps really be worth it???? While I like the > convenience of having both the "G" and "L" commands as they are currently > arranged, I can see that having both is almost redundant. I think that last is the key point. From the Message Index or Message Text viewer, L[Enter] and G^T get you to a functionally similar place. If G replaced the new L, I think you'd get better continuity from 3.0x and lose very little functionality, especially if a "C Collection-list" (taking you to the current "FOLDER LIST" screen) was added to the "GOTO:SELECT FOLDER" screen that G^T gives you. L as used in 3.8x contributes little (Listing folders when you don't want to Goto one of them??) and has displaced a command used by lots of novices all the time (printing's very important to them, _they_ often feel safer with hard copy). Mike ============================================================================== Mike Roch, Computer Services Centre, Tel: 0734 318430 The University, Whiteknights, Reading, RG6 2AF Fax: 0734 753094 From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Nov 29 14:14:06 1993 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA10481; Mon, 29 Nov 93 14:14:06 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA15267; Mon, 29 Nov 93 13:57:31 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from bootes.cus.cam.ac.uk by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA15261; Mon, 29 Nov 93 13:57:07 -0800 Received: from bootes.cus.cam.ac.uk [131.111.8.1] (TAP id = bl10) by bootes.cus.cam.ac.uk with smtp (Smail-3.1.28.1 #107) id m0p4Gaf-00003DC; Mon, 29 Nov 93 21:57 GMT Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1993 21:57:05 +0000 (GMT) From: Barry Landy Subject: Redefining G (was "The Y key") To: "Amos A. Gouaux" Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Mon, 29 Nov 1993, Amos A. Gouaux wrote: > > Pressing "G" for Goto could produce the following menu: > > GOTO command: > ? Help P PrevFldr L ListFldrs E ExitGoto > N NextFldr S [Specify] > > Then pressing "S" or RETURN could yield: > > GOTO folder in [INBOX] : > ^G Help ^C Cancel > RETURN Enter TAB Complete > > Now, would the extra steps really be worth it???? While I like the > convenience of having both the "G" and "L" commands as they are currently > arranged, I can see that having both is almost redundant. > > Amos A. Gouaux Academic Computing Services amos@unt.edu > UNIX and CUTCP University of North Texas 817/565-4898 > Systems Support PO Box 13495, Denton, TX 76203 FAX at -4060 > > Irrespective of the goodness or otherwise of Y for print, I think this is a disastrous idea; the current behaviour of G is very ergonomic; adding an extra step in the sequence for getting between folders would be horrific! In my view, for people who use folders seriously, GOTO is a fairly frequent activity; I do not believe (and for the sake of the trees I hope I'm right!) that people print half so often. Possibly a number of relatively rare commands could be bundled together under "X" for eXtras, with a subselection menu (in the same way as System has been done). ======================================================================= Barry Landy, Head of Systems and Development, University of Cambridge Computing Service Barry.Landy@ucs.cam.ac.uk 0223-334713 +44-223-334713 From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Nov 29 16:11:34 1993 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA14415; Mon, 29 Nov 93 16:11:34 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA18575; Mon, 29 Nov 93 15:54:04 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from shiva1.cac.washington.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA18567; Mon, 29 Nov 93 15:54:02 -0800 Received: by shiva1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA25780; Mon, 29 Nov 93 15:53:52 -0800 Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1993 15:53:46 -0800 (PST) From: David L Miller Subject: Re: Another pine problem reported... Can you help this user? To: Jonathan Neher Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu, rhaller@oregon.uoregon.edu, joe@oregon.uoregon.edu, pkangas@darkwing.uoregon.edu In-Reply-To: <9311221632.AA01888@tenorman.uoregon.edu> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Jon, A few causes of such crashes have been fixed in Pine 3.88. If this problem still persists, could you please send us a stack trace from the core file, the users .pinerc, and any information on how to duplicate the problem? --DLM |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA On Mon, 22 Nov 1993, Jonathan Neher wrote: > I haven't heard of this from anyone else. I haven't been able to > duplicate it either. I looked at the pkangas .pinerc and see nothing > unusual. Anyone seen this before with pine 3.87 on a Sun machines > running SunOS 4.1.3? Please respond via e-mail. > > Thanks, > > Jon > > > >Date: Fri, 19 Nov 1993 11:18:23 -0800 (PST) > > >From: Pertti Olavi Kangas > > >Subject: Problems with pine ?? > > >To: Joe St Sauver > > >Message-ID: > > >MIME-Version: 1.0 > > >Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII > > >Status: R > > > > > > > > > > > >this is what happened several times when I tried to send mail: > > > > > > Bug in Pine detected: "Received abort signal". > > > Exiting pine. > > > Arithmetic exception (core dumped) > > > 2% exit > > > > > >- could you please explain? > > > Thanks, Pertti > > > > > > > > > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Nov 29 16:17:02 1993 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA14633; Mon, 29 Nov 93 16:17:02 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA18968; Mon, 29 Nov 93 16:06:14 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from network-services.uoregon.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA18959; Mon, 29 Nov 93 16:06:11 -0800 Received: from rhaller.cc.uoregon.edu (rhaller.cc.uoregon.edu [128.223.32.240]) by phloem.uoregon.edu (8.6.4/8.6.4) with SMTP id QAA01516; Mon, 29 Nov 1993 16:06:09 -0800 Date: Mon, 29 Nov 93 16:06:08 -0800 From: Rich Haller To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: Pine program? Cc: Evgeni Stupko Message-Id: In-Reply-To: Your message of Sun, 28 Nov 93 10:40:20 +0800 Content-Type: TEXT/plain; charset=US-ASCII Dear pine-info. Can you help Evgeni out? Here are his questions. -Rich Haller > Dear Rich, you mentioned a "pine" program for UNIX > computers. What you told me about it sounds very > interesting to us. Can it be run under ISC UNIX or SCO? ... > And where can we get it? Is it possible to get it in > source codes, so that we could make a russian > modification of it? > We don't have yet TCP/IP connectivity, alas. So, is pine > program available from any UUCP site? From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Nov 29 16:52:03 1993 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA15937; Mon, 29 Nov 93 16:52:03 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA19644; Mon, 29 Nov 93 16:34:05 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from shiva1.cac.washington.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA19638; Mon, 29 Nov 93 16:34:01 -0800 Received: by shiva1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA26682; Mon, 29 Nov 93 16:31:14 -0800 Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1993 16:31:01 -0800 (PST) From: David L Miller Subject: Re: Pine program? To: Rich Haller Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu, Evgeni Stupko In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Rich and Evengi, We do not currently have complete support for either ISC or SCO in the Pine distribution. A few people have reported success getting it to work, but I have not seen any patches yet. We only distribute the source via our anonymous ftp site, ftp.cac.washington.edu, but I believe that UUNET maintains an automatic mirror of our distribution. The current version is Pine3.88. Thanks for your interest! --DLM |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA On Mon, 29 Nov 1993, Rich Haller wrote: > Dear pine-info. Can you help Evgeni out? Here are his questions. > > -Rich Haller > > > Dear Rich, you mentioned a "pine" program for UNIX > > computers. What you told me about it sounds very > > interesting to us. Can it be run under ISC UNIX or SCO? > ... > > And where can we get it? Is it possible to get it in > > source codes, so that we could make a russian > > modification of it? > > We don't have yet TCP/IP connectivity, alas. So, is pine > > program available from any UUCP site? > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Nov 29 17:14:15 1993 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA17409; Mon, 29 Nov 93 17:14:15 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA20483; Mon, 29 Nov 93 17:01:04 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from shiva1.cac.washington.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA20477; Mon, 29 Nov 93 17:01:02 -0800 Received: by shiva1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA27377; Mon, 29 Nov 93 17:00:51 -0800 Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1993 17:00:46 -0800 (PST) From: David L Miller Subject: Re: entering characters such as ^L in pico? To: Erik Lawaetz Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Erik, Sorry about taking so long to reply. This capability is now on our Requested Enhancements List. Thanks for the suggestion! |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA On Thu, 4 Nov 1993, Erik Lawaetz wrote: > Any way, perhaps in future versions, to enter control characters like ^L > and other key combinations used by pico in the text being edited, like > emacs' ^Q escape? Had a user recently who wanted to add some ^Ls for form > feed in a text. > > --Erik > > #include > Q: How many Microsoft engineers does it take to change a lightbulb? > A: None; they just declare darkness to be the standard. > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Nov 29 18:09:38 1993 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA19021; Mon, 29 Nov 93 18:09:38 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA21754; Mon, 29 Nov 93 17:55:34 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from red4.cac.washington.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA21748; Mon, 29 Nov 93 17:55:31 -0800 Received: by red4.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA00282; Mon, 29 Nov 93 17:55:30 -0800 Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1993 17:47:13 -0800 (PST) From: "Timothy F. Lee" Subject: Postponing files... To: David L Miller Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Pine people, In later versions of Pine, will there be an option to postpone several e-mail messages... or the option to save currently composing mail as an external file, with the option to read it back in at a later time to continue? ------------------------------------- Timothy F. Lee ACC Lab Assistant, Client Services University of Washington E-mail: koolkid@cac.washington.edu timlee@u.washington.edu Consulting: (206)543-5227 From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Nov 29 18:16:07 1993 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA19304; Mon, 29 Nov 93 18:16:07 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA21872; Mon, 29 Nov 93 18:01:39 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from port10.columbus.oh.pub-ip.psi.net by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA21866; Mon, 29 Nov 93 18:01:30 -0800 Subject: searching text To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1993 21:00:06 -0500 (EST) From: "Steven E. Frazier" Reply-To: Steven E Frazier X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 408 Message-Id: <9311292100.aa04046@eng.futurenet.com> Is there anyway to use "w" to search the actual text in the email files. I understand that "w" will search the subject lines. thanks. Steve -- Norstan Communications, Inc. | Steven E. Frazier 8101 N. High Street Suite 100 |--------------------------------------- Columbus, OH 43235 | Local : sfrazier Voice 614-785-7335 Fax 614-785-7367 | Remote: sfrazier@futurenet.com From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Nov 29 19:55:20 1993 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA20959; Mon, 29 Nov 93 19:55:20 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA23357; Mon, 29 Nov 93 19:42:38 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from gw.PacBell.COM by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA23350; Mon, 29 Nov 93 19:42:31 -0800 Received: from pacbell.UUCP by gw.PacBell.COM (4.1/PacBell-10/26/93) id AA25867; Mon, 29 Nov 93 19:42:24 PST Received: by jagware.bcc.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.28.1 #28.1) id ; Mon, 29 Nov 93 19:35 PST Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1993 19:35:10 -0700(PDT) From: "J.J.Bailey" Subject: Re: Pine program? To: David L Miller Cc: Rich Haller , pine-info@cac.washington.edu, Evgeni Stupko In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Regarding ISC, I have sent patches in (to pine@cac.washington.edu) for versions 3.87 and 3.88. The bulk of the work is the inclusion of nonexistent files for ISC, with the remainder being minor changes to the distribution. I regret to say that I am still finding bugs on this platform. J.J.Bailey Consultant jjb@jagware.bcc.com On Mon, 29 Nov 1993, David L Miller wrote: > > Rich and Evengi, > > We do not currently have complete support for either ISC or SCO in the > Pine distribution. A few people have reported success getting it to > work, but I have not seen any patches yet. We only distribute the source > via our anonymous ftp site, ftp.cac.washington.edu, but I believe that > UUNET maintains an automatic mirror of our distribution. The current > version is Pine3.88. > > Thanks for your interest! > > --DLM > > |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 > |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) > University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing > 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA > > On Mon, 29 Nov 1993, Rich Haller wrote: > > > Dear pine-info. Can you help Evgeni out? Here are his questions. > > > > -Rich Haller > > > > > Dear Rich, you mentioned a "pine" program for UNIX > > > computers. What you told me about it sounds very > > > interesting to us. Can it be run under ISC UNIX or SCO? > > ... > > > And where can we get it? Is it possible to get it in > > > source codes, so that we could make a russian > > > modification of it? > > > We don't have yet TCP/IP connectivity, alas. So, is pine > > > program available from any UUCP site? > > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Nov 29 20:12:43 1993 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA21182; Mon, 29 Nov 93 20:12:43 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA23463; Mon, 29 Nov 93 19:59:03 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from gw.PacBell.COM by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA23457; Mon, 29 Nov 93 19:58:59 -0800 Received: from pacbell.UUCP by gw.PacBell.COM (4.1/PacBell-10/26/93) id AA26705; Mon, 29 Nov 93 19:58:58 PST Received: by jagware.bcc.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.28.1 #28.1) id ; Mon, 29 Nov 93 19:56 PST Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1993 19:56:19 -0700(PDT) From: "J.J.Bailey" Subject: redraw_printer_select() in two source files To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I have been asked to add a printer type to pine. While looking through the code, I found 2 instances of redraw_printer_select(). They appear to be essentially the same. Are they both necessary? J.J.Bailey Consultant jjb@jagware.bcc.com From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Nov 29 23:16:48 1993 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA23207; Mon, 29 Nov 93 23:16:48 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA25631; Mon, 29 Nov 93 23:01:53 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from shiva2.cac.washington.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA25625; Mon, 29 Nov 93 23:01:51 -0800 Received: by shiva2.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA01484; Mon, 29 Nov 93 23:01:47 -0800 Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1993 23:01:47 -0800 (PST) From: Michael Seibel Subject: Re: redraw_printer_select() in two source files To: "J.J.Bailey" Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Good catch! The select_printer() and redraw_printer_select() in pine/other.c are indeed redundant, unused and superfluous. Thanks for bringing this to our attention! One has to wonder how it slipped by us for this long... -mikes On Mon, 29 Nov 1993, J.J.Bailey wrote: > I have been asked to add a printer type to pine. While looking > through the code, I found 2 instances of redraw_printer_select(). > They appear to be essentially the same. Are they both necessary? > > J.J.Bailey > Consultant > jjb@jagware.bcc.com From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Nov 30 00:07:23 1993 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA23769; Tue, 30 Nov 93 00:07:23 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA26087; Mon, 29 Nov 93 23:51:12 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from sun4nl.NL.net by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA26081; Mon, 29 Nov 93 23:51:04 -0800 Received: from nlbull by sun4nl.NL.net via EUnet id AA29096 (5.65b/CWI-3.3); Tue, 30 Nov 1993 08:51:00 +0100 Received: from localhost by wilg.bull.nl with SMTP (BULL 5.61++/Bull-NL-1.0.24-1.6) id AA15315; Tue, 30 Nov 93 07:49:36 GMT (MET) Message-Id: <9311300749.AA15315@wilg.bull.nl> To: Michael Seibel Cc: "J.J.Bailey" , pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: redraw_printer_select() in two source files In-Reply-To: Your message of "Mon, 29 Nov 93 23:01:47 MET." Date: Tue, 30 Nov 93 08:49:34 MET From: Jos Vos > > I have been asked to add a printer type to pine. While looking > > through the code, I found 2 instances of redraw_printer_select(). > > They appear to be essentially the same. Are they both necessary? > Good catch! The select_printer() and redraw_printer_select() in > pine/other.c are indeed redundant, unused and superfluous. Please note that the contents of these routines in pine/other.c are better than those of pine/pine.c: in the other.c version the System V-specific LPDEST and lp things are mentioned, while in the pine.c version only BSD's PRINTER and lpr is listed. I alread posted a patch for this to this mailing list months ago: To: Pine Info Subject: Patch for Printer setup screen Date: Thu, 21 Oct 93 17:32:42 MET From: Jos Vos In the file other.c and pine.c two functionally equivalent (static) functions redraw_printer_select() exist. The text included in other.c was more generic (it contained also references to "lp" and "LPDEST", thus being more appropriate for System V systems). So I made the following patch to make the text in pine.c equal to that in other.c. Please include this patch in the next official release. ------CUT HERE----- *** pine/pine.c.orig Tue Oct 12 16:48:52 1993 --- pine/pine.c Wed Oct 20 10:26:50 1993 *************** *** 1430,1437 **** rc = set_variable(V_PERSONAL_PRINT_COMMAND, custom_command); } if(rc == 0) ! q_status_message1(0,1,3, "Printer set to \"%s\"; configuration saved", ! ps_global->VAR_PRINTER); } } --- 1430,1438 ---- rc = set_variable(V_PERSONAL_PRINT_COMMAND, custom_command); } if(rc == 0) ! q_status_message1(0, 1, 3, ! "Printer set to \"%s\"; configuration saved", ! ps_global->VAR_PRINTER); } } *************** *** 1468,1475 **** l++; PutLine0(l++, 3, "2. Standard UNIX print command"); PutLine0(l++,6, ! "Using this option may require setting your \"PRINTER\" environment"); ! PutLine0(l++, 6, "variable using the standard UNIX utilities."); PutLine0(l, 10 , "Command: "); if(ps_global->VAR_STANDARD_PRINTER != NULL && strcmp(ps_global->VAR_PRINTER, ps_global->VAR_STANDARD_PRINTER) == 0) { --- 1469,1477 ---- l++; PutLine0(l++, 3, "2. Standard UNIX print command"); PutLine0(l++,6, ! "Using this option may require setting your \"PRINTER\" or \"LPDEST\""); ! PutLine0(l++, 6, ! "environment variable using the standard UNIX utilities."); PutLine0(l, 10 , "Command: "); if(ps_global->VAR_STANDARD_PRINTER != NULL && strcmp(ps_global->VAR_PRINTER, ps_global->VAR_STANDARD_PRINTER) == 0) { *************** *** 1488,1498 **** PutLine0(l++, 6, "The text to be printed will be piped into the command given here. Some"); PutLine0(l++, 6, ! "examples are: \"prt\", \"lpr\", or \"enscript\". The command may be given"); PutLine0(l++, 6, "with options, for example \"enscript -2 -r\" or \"lpr -Plpacc170\". The"); PutLine0(l++, 6, ! "commands and options on your system may be different these examples."); PutLine0(l, 10, "Command: "); if(!matched_printer) StartInverse(); --- 1490,1500 ---- PutLine0(l++, 6, "The text to be printed will be piped into the command given here. Some"); PutLine0(l++, 6, ! "examples are: \"prt\", \"lpr\", \"lp\", or \"enscript\". The command may be given"); PutLine0(l++, 6, "with options, for example \"enscript -2 -r\" or \"lpr -Plpacc170\". The"); PutLine0(l++, 6, ! "commands and options on your system may be different from these examples."); PutLine0(l, 10, "Command: "); if(!matched_printer) StartInverse(); ------CUT HERE----- -- -- Jos Vos (UUCP: ...!{uunet,mcsun,sun4nl}!nlbull!jos) -- Bull Netherlands, Professional Services, Amsterdam, The Netherlands From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Nov 30 00:38:01 1993 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA24049; Tue, 30 Nov 93 00:38:01 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA26389; Tue, 30 Nov 93 00:23:48 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from danpost4.uni-c.dk by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA26383; Tue, 30 Nov 93 00:23:46 -0800 Received: from danpost4.uni-c.dk by danpost4.uni-c.dk with SMTP (PP) id <24499-0@danpost4.uni-c.dk>; Tue, 30 Nov 1993 09:22:12 +0100 Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1993 09:22:10 +0100 (MET) From: Erik Lawaetz Subject: Re: The Y key To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Please, change as little as possible. We're producing documentation in our national language so we rely on things being as stable as possible. --Erik From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Nov 30 06:23:09 1993 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA28559; Tue, 30 Nov 93 06:23:09 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA19023; Tue, 30 Nov 93 06:04:47 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from redvax1.dgsca.unam.mx by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA19017; Tue, 30 Nov 93 06:04:44 -0800 Received: by redvax1.dgsca.unam.mx (5.57/Ultrix3.0-C) id AA28845; Mon, 29 Nov 93 16:16:08 -0600 Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1993 16:09:49 -0600 (CST) From: "Isaias Callejas Mancilla." Reply-To: "Isaias Callejas Mancilla." Subject: Mail Lock... To: The PINE List Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Hi Dear List, I have got a question that is not for PINE really, I want to know how (and why) the system generate the locked's files???... In the past, I have got some problems with it.... Thank's in advance... /####### E. Isaias Callejas M. /# /############ Group System Managers from Microvax 3400 System /## /############## Coordination of Computing Services ### /## ### Academic Computing ### ### ### National University of Mexico ### ########## ### ### ### ### ================================================= ### ##/ ### ##############/ ##/ Internet : isma@redvax1.dgsca.unam.mx ############/ #/ Bitnet : isma@redvax1.bitnet #######/ From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Nov 30 06:37:13 1993 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA28824; Tue, 30 Nov 93 06:37:13 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA29353; Tue, 30 Nov 93 06:24:36 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from Jade.Tufts.EDU by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA29347; Tue, 30 Nov 93 06:24:35 -0800 Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1993 09:17:56 -0500 (EST) From: Elaine Lolos Subject: Expanding distrib. lists To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I have just begun to use/learn Pine and support it on our systems here. We have v3.07 running on a Convex, and I have recently installed v3.88 on a DECstation running Ultrix to check it out. I have a question about distribution lists. When you send a message to a distribution list created in Pine, the received message shows all the members of the list, instead of just the list name. Is this something that can be modified within Pine, or can you address the message in a particular way to prevent this from happening? Or is this just a Unix/sendmail-ism? Thank you! Elaine Lolos Academic Computer Services Tufts University Medford, MA From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Nov 30 08:55:42 1993 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA01693; Tue, 30 Nov 93 08:55:42 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA00829; Tue, 30 Nov 93 08:31:11 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from shiva1.cac.washington.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA00819; Tue, 30 Nov 93 08:31:07 -0800 Received: by shiva1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA06398; Tue, 30 Nov 93 08:31:04 -0800 Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1993 08:31:00 -0800 (PST) From: David L Miller Subject: Re: Postponing files... To: "Timothy F. Lee" Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Timothy, Multiple postponed messages is on the Requested Enhancements List. Thanks for the suggestion! --DLM |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA On Mon, 29 Nov 1993, Timothy F. Lee wrote: > > Pine people, > > In later versions of Pine, will there be an option to postpone > several e-mail messages... or the option to save currently composing mail > as an external file, with the option to read it back in at a later time > to continue? > > ------------------------------------- > Timothy F. Lee > ACC Lab Assistant, Client Services > University of Washington > E-mail: koolkid@cac.washington.edu > timlee@u.washington.edu > Consulting: (206)543-5227 > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Nov 30 09:01:10 1993 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA01932; Tue, 30 Nov 93 09:01:10 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA01052; Tue, 30 Nov 93 08:38:26 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from shiva1.cac.washington.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA01046; Tue, 30 Nov 93 08:38:24 -0800 Received: by shiva1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA06483; Tue, 30 Nov 93 08:38:18 -0800 Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1993 08:38:16 -0800 (PST) From: David L Miller Subject: Re: Expanding distrib. lists To: Elaine Lolos Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Elaine, If you put the list address on the "Bcc:" line instead of the "To:" or "Cc:" the recipients will not see the addresses. To make this header visible, press ^R while editing the headers. I hope this helps! --DLM |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA On Tue, 30 Nov 1993, Elaine Lolos wrote: > I have just begun to use/learn Pine and support it on our systems here. > We have v3.07 running on a Convex, and I have recently installed v3.88 > on a DECstation running Ultrix to check it out. > > I have a question about distribution lists. When you send a message to > a distribution list created in Pine, the received message shows all the > members of the list, instead of just the list name. Is this something > that can be modified within Pine, or can you address the message in > a particular way to prevent this from happening? Or is this just a > Unix/sendmail-ism? > > Thank you! > > Elaine Lolos > Academic Computer Services > Tufts University > Medford, MA > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Nov 30 09:21:21 1993 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA02888; Tue, 30 Nov 93 09:21:21 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA01702; Tue, 30 Nov 93 09:09:38 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from shiva1.cac.washington.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA01696; Tue, 30 Nov 93 09:09:37 -0800 Received: by shiva1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA07076; Tue, 30 Nov 93 09:09:13 -0800 Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1993 09:09:07 -0800 (PST) From: David L Miller Subject: Re: searching text To: "Steven E. Frazier" Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu In-Reply-To: <9311292100.aa04046@eng.futurenet.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Steve, Not yet. This is something that may well happen as the underlying tools become available in c-client and IMAP. "w" will search the text of the index line, including date, sender, size, etc. --DLM |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA On Mon, 29 Nov 1993, Steven E. Frazier wrote: > Is there anyway to use "w" to search the actual text in the email files. > I understand that "w" will search the subject lines. > > > thanks. > > Steve > > > -- > Norstan Communications, Inc. | Steven E. Frazier > 8101 N. High Street Suite 100 |--------------------------------------- > Columbus, OH 43235 | Local : sfrazier > Voice 614-785-7335 Fax 614-785-7367 | Remote: sfrazier@futurenet.com From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Nov 30 10:33:52 1993 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA05579; Tue, 30 Nov 93 10:33:52 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA20290; Tue, 30 Nov 93 09:14:22 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from tomobiki-cho.cac.washington.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA20284; Tue, 30 Nov 93 09:14:19 -0800 Received: from localhost by Tomobiki-Cho.CAC.Washington.EDU (NX5.67d/UW-NDC Revision: 2.27.MRC ) id AA16922; Tue, 30 Nov 93 09:14:05 -0800 Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1993 07:55:29 -0800 (PST) From: Mark Crispin Subject: re: Mail Lock... To: "Isaias Callejas Mancilla." Cc: The PINE List In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII On Mon, 29 Nov 1993 16:09:49 -0600 (CST), Isaias Callejas Mancilla. wrote: > I have got a question that is not for PINE really, I want to know > how (and why) the system generate the locked's files???... > In the past, I have got some problems with it.... I am not sure what you mean, but perhaps this information will help: Locks are used by Pine and other mail programs to prevent damage from occurring to the mail file when multiple programs try to write to the file at the same time. Because there are many different schemes of mail file locking used on UNIX, Pine implements all of them. The result is a lot of complexity. There are several reasons why locking needs to be done: 1) If you want to read the mail file, you want to make sure that no other process will modify the mail file while you are reading it. 2) If you want to write to the mail file, you want to make sure that no other process is accessing the mail file while you are writing it. 3) If you have the mail file open, you want to make sure that no other process can alter any of the internal contents of the mail file that you have read, but it is OK if another process appends new data to the mail file. 4) If you want to alter any of the internal contents of the mail file, you want to make sure that no other process has the mail file open. There are several mechanisms of locking: a) The creation of a file which has the same name as the mail file, but with a suffix of ".lock" (for example, this lock for /usr/spool/mail/isma is named /usr/spool/mail/isma.lock). This file accomplishes locks (1) and (2) above. This is an exclusive lock. b) The use of an flock() with LOCK_SH on the mail file. This accomplishes lock (1), and prevents lock (2). Multiple processes can do this. c) The use of an flock() with LOCK_EX on the mail file. This accomplishes lock (2), and prevents lock (1). This is an exclusive lock. d) The use of an flock() with LOCK_EX on a file on /tmp. The file name used depends upon the version of Pine. This accomplishes locks (3) and (4). This is an exclusive lock. On SVR4-based systems, the lockf() subroutine or fcntl() system call it used instead of flock(). It is rumored that this creates a kind of lock file as well, but this has not been directly verified. Regards, -- Mark -- From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Nov 30 11:13:12 1993 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA06676; Tue, 30 Nov 93 11:13:12 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA03998; Tue, 30 Nov 93 10:50:37 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from gw.PacBell.COM by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA03992; Tue, 30 Nov 93 10:50:35 -0800 Received: from pacbell.UUCP by gw.PacBell.COM (4.1/PacBell-10/26/93) id AA05183; Tue, 30 Nov 93 10:50:34 PST Received: by jagware.bcc.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.28.1 #28.1) id ; Tue, 30 Nov 93 10:33 PST Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1993 10:33:19 -0700(PDT) From: "J.J.Bailey" Subject: Re: redraw_printer_select() in two source files To: Jos Vos Cc: Michael Seibel , pine-info@cac.washington.edu In-Reply-To: <9311300749.AA15315@wilg.bull.nl> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII > > > I have been asked to add a printer type to pine. While looking > > > through the code, I found 2 instances of redraw_printer_select(). > > > They appear to be essentially the same. Are they both necessary? > > > Good catch! The select_printer() and redraw_printer_select() in > > pine/other.c are indeed redundant, unused and superfluous. > > Please note that the contents of these routines in pine/other.c > are better than those of pine/pine.c: in the other.c version the > System V-specific LPDEST and lp things are mentioned, while in > the pine.c version only BSD's PRINTER and lpr is listed. > ... > > So I made the following patch to make the text in pine.c equal to > that in other.c. > The fix I had in mind was to remove the redundancy, i.e. remove the function from pine/pine.c, and change the other function from static to global. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Nov 30 12:45:50 1993 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA09841; Tue, 30 Nov 93 12:45:50 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA06338; Tue, 30 Nov 93 12:19:25 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from violet.Berkeley.EDU by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA06328; Tue, 30 Nov 93 12:19:22 -0800 Received: from localhost by violet.berkeley.edu (8.6.4/1.33r) id MAA26142; Tue, 30 Nov 1993 12:19:21 -0800 Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1993 12:13:46 -0800 (PST) From: Henry Kuo Subject: Funny text file?? To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: MULTIPART/MIXED; BOUNDARY="0-528460842-754690760:#25747" --0-528460842-754690760:#25747 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hi! , I got one problem here. I think it is a bug. I tried to attach a text file with email to my friends who don't use pine. However, they couldn't read the text file if they used mail to read the email. Is there any way to correct it? 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This is something that may well happen as the underlying tools > become available in c-client and IMAP. "w" will search the text of the index > line, including date, sender, size, etc. > > On Mon, 29 Nov 1993, Steven E. Frazier wrote: > > Is there anyway to use "w" to search the actual text in the email files. > > I understand that "w" will search the subject lines. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Nov 30 13:33:40 1993 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA11229; Tue, 30 Nov 93 13:33:40 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA07347; Tue, 30 Nov 93 13:10:37 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from technical-services.uoregon.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA07337; Tue, 30 Nov 93 13:10:29 -0800 Received: from localhost (alummus@localhost) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.6.4/8.6) id NAA05340; Tue, 30 Nov 1993 13:10:11 -0800 Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1993 13:07:27 -0800 (PST) From: allan lummus Reply-To: allan lummus Subject: pine newsreader To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII How do I post or respond using the newsreader on Pine? For example to alt.baseball.st-louis.cardinals what do I write at the to: prompt? al ************************************************************************* Allan Lummus Phone: (503)485-2090 (H) Dept of Sociology (503)346-5002 (Soc Dept) 1291 University of Oregon (503)344-0832 (GTFF) Eugene, OR 97403-1291 Pres. AFT Local 3544 AFL-CIO Email: alummus@darkwing.uoregon.edu 870 E 13th Ave Eugene, OR 97401 Join the discussion: gtf-list (Graduate Teaching Fellows List) To subscribe contact me at alummus@darkwing.uoregon.edu ************************************************************************** From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Nov 30 13:50:00 1993 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA11640; Tue, 30 Nov 93 13:50:00 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA07785; Tue, 30 Nov 93 13:32:07 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from shiva1.cac.washington.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA07779; Tue, 30 Nov 93 13:32:06 -0800 Received: by shiva1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA13970; Tue, 30 Nov 93 13:31:55 -0800 Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1993 13:31:52 -0800 (PST) From: David L Miller Subject: Re: searching text To: Mike Ramey Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII No, not currently :( |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA On Tue, 30 Nov 1993, Mike Ramey wrote: > David - Does 'w' search the part of the index line which does not fit on > the screen? -mr > > On Tue, 30 Nov 1993, David L Miller wrote: > > Not yet. This is something that may well happen as the underlying tools > > become available in c-client and IMAP. "w" will search the text of the index > > line, including date, sender, size, etc. > > > > On Mon, 29 Nov 1993, Steven E. Frazier wrote: > > > Is there anyway to use "w" to search the actual text in the email files. > > > I understand that "w" will search the subject lines. > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Nov 30 13:57:13 1993 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA11845; Tue, 30 Nov 93 13:57:13 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA07739; Tue, 30 Nov 93 13:30:20 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from shiva1.cac.washington.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA07733; Tue, 30 Nov 93 13:30:16 -0800 Received: by shiva1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA13915; Tue, 30 Nov 93 13:30:12 -0800 Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1993 13:30:09 -0800 (PST) From: David L Miller Subject: Re: Funny text file?? To: Henry Kuo Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: MULTIPART/MIXED; BOUNDARY="0-528460842-754690760:#25747" This message is in MIME format. The first part should be readable text, while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools. --0-528460842-754690760:#25747 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Henry, This is a common question. We believe that an *attachment* should be guaranteed to arrive intact. The only way to do that is to use BASE64 encoding which comes across as gibberish to non-MIME mail readers. If you want to send a text file to people who do not have MIME capable mail readers, use ^R to include it in the body of the message. Sorry about the inconvenience! --DLM |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA On Tue, 30 Nov 1993, Henry Kuo wrote: > Hi! , > > I got one problem here. I think it is a bug. > > I tried to attach a text file with email to my friends who don't use > pine. However, they couldn't read the text file if they used mail to > read the email. 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We have an experimental version of Pine here that can post and we will be rolling those changes into the mainstream as soon as possible. Thanks for the interest! --DLM |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA On Tue, 30 Nov 1993, allan lummus wrote: > How do I post or respond using the newsreader on Pine? > > For example to alt.baseball.st-louis.cardinals > > what do I write at the to: prompt? > > al > ************************************************************************* > > Allan Lummus Phone: (503)485-2090 (H) > Dept of Sociology (503)346-5002 (Soc Dept) > 1291 University of Oregon (503)344-0832 (GTFF) > Eugene, OR 97403-1291 > > Pres. AFT Local 3544 AFL-CIO Email: alummus@darkwing.uoregon.edu > 870 E 13th Ave > Eugene, OR 97401 > > Join the discussion: gtf-list (Graduate Teaching Fellows List) > To subscribe contact me at alummus@darkwing.uoregon.edu > > ************************************************************************** > > > > > > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Nov 30 16:59:39 1993 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA17441; Tue, 30 Nov 93 16:59:39 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA12440; Tue, 30 Nov 93 16:42:38 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from violet.Berkeley.EDU by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA12434; Tue, 30 Nov 93 16:42:36 -0800 Received: from localhost by violet.berkeley.edu (8.6.4/1.33r) id QAA13271; Tue, 30 Nov 1993 16:42:34 -0800 Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1993 16:41:16 -0800 (PST) From: Henry Kuo Subject: Install Pine 3.88 (fwd) To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Which file should I download if I want to install pine on my pc and Unix (Dec Utrix) system? There are several files on the fpt site. Thanks!! `~~~~~~ @(0-0) ---------oOO----^---OOo------- ^.^ Henry......... ------------------------------ From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Nov 30 17:54:18 1993 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA18796; Tue, 30 Nov 93 17:54:18 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA13676; Tue, 30 Nov 93 17:42:45 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from shiva1.cac.washington.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA13670; Tue, 30 Nov 93 17:42:44 -0800 Received: by shiva1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA19791; Tue, 30 Nov 93 17:42:42 -0800 Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1993 17:42:40 -0800 (PST) From: David L Miller Subject: Re: Install Pine 3.88 (fwd) To: Henry Kuo Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Henry, The source for all versions is in pine.tar.Z. There are pre-compiled binaries for the various PC stacks in the /mail/PC-PINE directory. There are also pre-compiled Unix binaries for a few systems in /mail/UNIX-BINARIES. --DLM |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA On Tue, 30 Nov 1993, Henry Kuo wrote: > > > Which file should I download if I want to install pine on my pc and Unix > (Dec Utrix) system? There are several files on the fpt site. > > Thanks!! > > > `~~~~~~ > @(0-0) > ---------oOO----^---OOo------- > > ^.^ Henry......... > ------------------------------ > > > > > > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Nov 30 23:54:30 1993 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA22389; Tue, 30 Nov 93 23:54:30 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA17241; Tue, 30 Nov 93 23:40:32 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from sun4nl.NL.net by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA17235; Tue, 30 Nov 93 23:40:28 -0800 Received: from nlbull by sun4nl.NL.net via EUnet id AA11629 (5.65b/CWI-3.3); Wed, 1 Dec 1993 08:40:16 +0100 Received: from localhost by wilg.bull.nl with SMTP (BULL 5.61++/Bull-NL-1.0.24-1.6) id AA25796; Wed, 1 Dec 93 07:38:42 GMT (MET) Message-Id: <9312010738.AA25796@wilg.bull.nl> To: "J.J.Bailey" Cc: Michael Seibel , pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: redraw_printer_select() in two source files In-Reply-To: Your message of "Tue, 30 Nov 93 10:33:19 MET." Date: Wed, 01 Dec 93 08:38:41 MET From: Jos Vos > > Please note that the contents of these routines in pine/other.c > > are better than those of pine/pine.c: in the other.c version the > > System V-specific LPDEST and lp things are mentioned, while in > > the pine.c version only BSD's PRINTER and lpr is listed. > ... > > So I made the following patch to make the text in pine.c equal to > > that in other.c. > > > > The fix I had in mind was to remove the redundancy, i.e. remove the > function from pine/pine.c, and change the other function from static to > global. That's OK: the function in other.c is the best one. -- -- Jos Vos (UUCP: ...!{uunet,mcsun,sun4nl}!nlbull!jos) -- Bull Netherlands, Professional Services, Amsterdam, The Netherlands